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Posted: 8 years ago
#31
Thank you, my dear Pakhi. I really enjoyed writing it, and I feel reassured when thoughtful readers feel the same way about it.

I think I have not responded to your comments on my last thread, but I was too tired last night. I will look for it today,

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: pakhiv.

Thanks aunty for such a beautiful post. Loved reading it.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#32
First of all, they don't seem to have any passion., but only compulsion.
Just as Prem pointed out in his (or her?) post, it was Chanakya's order and the provocation by Nandini accusing him of not being a man in the battlefield, were the reasons ..

Akka.






Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, my dearest Akka, was it not the norm in the 1960s and 1970s films for the unmarried hero and heroine to indulge in a bout of stolen passion, usually when they get wet in the rain and end up in some godforsaken shack😆, and for the heroine to turn up some weeks later, with a weepy face, saying Main tumhare bachche ki maa bannewalo hoon?

We have all been raised in this great cinematic tradition of one night stand babies. So why are you so puzzled now?😆

Shyamala

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Posted: 8 years ago
#33
It is not quite like that, Akka, not from her side. You are also beginning to fall into the trap of following the standard issue opinion trotted out by everyone here. Prem does not have to be the last word on this, does he? He is quite a young man, and what does he necessarily know of the hidden motivations of the human heart?

Durdhara loves Chandra, though she does not show it. And as for him, I think he himself does not understand what it is that he feels for her. It is surely not only the anger triggered by Nandini's crude outburst. But there is a deep seated aversion in him towards any act of physical intimacy with a woman, which has to do with his bal brahmachari bent of mind, which is still deeply ingrained in him.

As for such instances of physical intimacy without passion, I do not think these can be the exception in arranged marriages, more the norm, and they produce babies like clockwork!

Besides, what does the reason or the impulse behind the act have to do with the purely scientific act of conception? A woman can have a child even after so vile an instance of physical intimacy as criminal assault on her, where there is only an urge to dominate on the one side and helplessness on the other.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali

First of all, they don't seem to have any passion., but only compulsion.
Just as Prem pointed out in his (or her?) post, it was Chanakya's order and the provocation by Nandini accusing him of not being a man in the battlefield, were the reasons ..

Akka.

Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#34
My dearest Akka,

I am at a loss for words to tell you how much I am touched by this absolutely lovely message of yours. More even than how clever and beautiful it is - and it could not have been easy to do an adaptation of so many stanzas - what moved me was the kindness and thoughtfulness behind your gesture.

Yes, these days I often feel that I am ploughing a lonely furrow to not much purpose. Some of the unnecessarily extended arguments fatigue me and irritate me, all the more so as responding to them taxes my already depleted physical resources. And the ones that repeat my own points back to me, thus demonstrating that they have not really read the post at all, are equally exasperating. As are those who trot out all the standard opinions that pass for accepted wisdom in this forum.

Let me see how long I can stick it out under these circumstances, with not more than a dozen correspondents who actually read my posts and comment on them with real interest and in a logical fashion. It is all very well to talk of quality being more important than quantity, but that does not take my present physical circumstances into account. Any exertion has always to be balanced against the returns, and I have to see when the tipping point is reached.

Anyhow, before I get there and make that decision, just as I did with the Jodha Akbar re-run analyses, I shall make it a point to re-read this poem of yours.Thank you once again, my very own Akka!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali


Shyamala,
I am always reminded of the poem "The Brook" by Lord Tennyson , particularly the lines "Men may come and men may go, But I go on for ever..", when I watch you doing the write ups with so much of zeal and perseverance ..
I have copied below the original and my remix in RED

Affectionately yours,
Akka.

The Poem.

"I come from haunts of coot and hern,
I make a sudden sally
And sparkle out among the fern,
To bicker down a valley.

You come from the hosts of writers in the forum
And create a style that is very unique
Sparkling out and with so much decorum
With your writings that are critiques

By thirty hills I hurry down,
Or slip between the ridges,

By twenty thorpes, a little town,
And half a hundred bridges.

Hundreds of posts you answer
To all the comments that you receive
Without making any delay whatsoever
But firm in your stand in which you are convinced!

Till last by Philip's farm I flow
To join the brimming river,
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

Starting with the last famous historical show
You have done your untiring analysis
For readers may come and readers may go
But you will go on with your wonderful diagnosis!

I chatter over stony ways,
In little sharps and trebles,
I bubble into eddying bays,
I babble on the pebbles.

You show your talent in many ways
In your humour, advice and strictures
You do not cross your limits any day
Authentic in the way you plan your structure

With many a curve my banks I fret
By many a field and fallow,

And many a fairy foreland set
With willow-weed and mallow.

The anger and frustration you get
Sometimes upon seeing the readers' poor response
You brush aside like a dirt and do not fret
As seen from your next post you take up at once!

I chatter, chatter, as I flow
To join the brimming river,
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

You continue with your task you have chosen to do
Like a Sthitha Prajnan does practise in many ways;
For readers may come and readers may go
But you will do you write ups as always

I wind about, and in and out,
With here a blossom sailing,

And here and there a lusty trout,
And here and there a grayling,

You enjoy even the smallest tribute
That the readers bestow upon you so often
Like the gift to a child that is so cute.
You've also given us a venue to contribute

And here and there a foamy flake
Upon me, as I travel
With many a silvery water break
Above the golden gravel,

And here and there you make references
That show your vast knowledge in every sphere
You certainly are firm in your preferences
Never deviate from them for any fear

And draw them all along, and flow
To join the brimming river
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

You are as popular as the show on the screen
Which is a rare phenomenon whatsoever
For shows may come and shows may go off soon
But your writings will continue in top gear!

And out again I curve and flow
To join the brimming river,
For men may come and men may go,
But I go on for ever.

And we , your admirers, request as we do always
Since we want not to miss your ever,
For readers may come and readers may go any day,
But we wish you go on writing for ever...

* * * * *



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Posted: 8 years ago
#35
My dear Amina,

Why do you have to say sorry for a decision to leave or to stay? As and when I decide to leave, I shall surely not feel sorry about it!

As for the episode, my take on it is quite different from the standard issue one here. As for Chanakya's aadesh and Nandini's demented, crude outburst, they hardly need any discussion, for the one is pure politics, no matter how out of place it looks to us from this age of ours, and the other is only an extension of and even worse than her behaviour with Mura.

But what I focussed on was Rajat's performance in the scenes with Durdhara. Right from the time he approaches her, to the morning after, he was quite simply outstanding.

It was a very difficult set of scenes to tackle: the awkwardness, the reluctance amounting to distaste for having any such intimacy with his best friend - whether he is right or wrong here is not the point, the point is that he does so feel - the thinking back to Nandini's mad, hateful tirade, the shamefaced reaction the next morning.

But every single bit of it was near perfect. I cannot think of many actors, even those in films,who could have pulled that off. If you could have thought of all this, as I did, your reaction to the episode might have been very different.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: amina1

Aunty im sorry to say but after todays episode i dont know if ill stick around hope it improves and if this is star plus nayi sonch i dont see it in nandani by holding a talwar and uttering non sense dialogue is nayi soch than i dont know what iss purani soch as far as im concern shes typicall baba ki ladli unlike durdhara and helena both thought of them selves unlike this nandani goodness why do i pick for this girl 🤢😡

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Posted: 8 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thank you, my dear Pakhi. I really enjoyed writing it, and I feel reassured when thoughtful readers feel the same way about it.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I think I have not responded to your comments on my last thread, but I was too tired last night. I will look for it today,</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Shyamala Aunty</font>

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yes Auntie,
We owe a thanks to you for the pains you take to write, because writing is not an easy task at all...
I will look forward to it.
I am on mobile but I will post my bit on this post in later half of the day. I am yet to watch the last episode which I think has gone hay wire.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#37
My dear Pakhi,

Yes, it is not easy for me these days, but genuine appreciation is thanks enough.

My take on last night's episode is rather different. I am reproducing below what I wrote a little earlier to Amina. Do take that into account, as also what I have responded above to Saraswathi Akka about the respective states of mind of Chandra and Durdhara, when you assess the episode for yourself. I will of course cover it in detail in my next post.

As for the episode, my take on it is quite different from the standard issue one here. As for Chanakya's aadesh and Nandini's demented, crude outburst, they hardly need any discussion, for the one is pure politics, no matter how out of place it looks to us from this age of ours, and the other is only an extension of and even worse than her behaviour with Mura.

But what I focussed on was Rajat's performance in the scenes with Durdhara. Right from the time he approaches her, to the morning after, he was quite simply outstanding.

It was a very difficult set of scenes to tackle: the awkwardness, the reluctance amounting to distaste for having any such intimacy with his best friend - whether he is right or wrong here is not the point, the point is that he does so feel - the thinking back to Nandini's mad, hateful tirade, the shamefaced reaction the next morning.

But every single bit of it was near perfect. I cannot think of many actors, even those in films,who could have pulled that off. If you could have thought of all this, as I did, your reaction to the episode might have been very different.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: pakhiv.

yes Auntie,
We owe a thanks to you for the pains you take to write, because writing is not an easy task at all...
I will look forward to it.
I am on mobile but I will post my bit on this post in later half of the day. I am yet to watch the last episode which I think has gone hay wire.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thank you, my dear Pakhi. I really enjoyed writing it, and I feel reassured when thoughtful readers feel the same way about it.</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I think I have not responded to your comments on my last thread, but I was too tired last night. I will look for it today,</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Shyamala Aunty</font>

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Posted: 8 years ago
#38
Dearest Shyamala aunty,
I do not have words to tell you how much I have enjoyed this post. I have read the earlier ones but the problem with catch ups is the response always feels stale in the context of the latest developments and fresher impressions. I will respond to them because I want to but also because I know the effort that goes into each of them and I can understand the frustration that builds up due to lack of intellectual engagement from us readers.

I have just finished catching up with the episodes and the last one is still vivid in my mind. Your writing always enhances the pleasure of a very good episode. But this time it also filled, very eloquently, the gaps in my visual experience. I did not get to watch the clash between Malayketu and Chandra because, probably to avoid the copyrights issue, this was the part that was cut from the episode on the website I watch it on, But thanks to your vivid description I could visualise it. This is what Drutrashtra would have felt on listening to Sanjay if he had not been vicariously fighting on kurukshetra! Need I say more in praise of your 'Samhaar'?

Rajat on screen is your writing personified! He was splendid as a warrior and as splendid in the scenes with Durdhara. I agree with your take on Nandini and would try to pay as much attention to her as you do😉 - suffice it to say that she needs to work on her voice, dialogue delivery, and expressions, and CVs on developing this character.

Having said that, I feel that her less-than-royal outburst was nothing but an attempt at psychological warfare (on the CVs part). What other explanation can one have for such nonsensical
bhashya from someone who has seen Chnadra single handedly demolish her 'purush' bhais, bhavi var and especially her pitamaharaj who is alive only thanks to the setting sun.

I also feel that Chanakya was not suddenly worried about Chandra's uttaradhikari but he sent Chandra to Durdhara to undo any residual effects that Nandini's comments might have left on Chandra's psyche. I would bet on this guru knowing his shishya that well and also on his cunning in trying to keep Chandra's thoughts from revisiting Nandini's speech by keeping him otherwise 😉 engaged.Cynical but not impossible since it also has the added advantage of nudging Chandra in a direction which he otherwise would not take given his 'bal bramhachari' niyat. As you said, pure politics - of a very layered kind!

What can one say of Nanda and Amatya who do not lift a finger against breaking the rules of Dharmayuddha simply because they are relieved to see Chandra go down. And where is Nandini at this point? I like the way Helena has been portrayed until now. The question I had was - why is she allowed in this war when Chandra expressly forbids her from the earlier one? Have I missed something to the copyrights? I would have liked to see Chandra reliase that she is a moral booster for the Unani soldiers.

I do not like or agree with the chorus against Nandini or Nanda's 'low' or nonroyal blood or birth. This is the outlook that has kept the caste system alive for thousands of years. A king is as king does. What Nandini says and does is not right because it is not right, period. Would it be right or good if someone of a hundred percent 'royal blood' or birth does it? For this reason, I wish EK had the guts to stick to the popular story of Chankya choosing Chandra to be the future king because of his 'kingly' behaviour in dealing with his peasant friends.

I agree with your reading of Durdhara and Chandra relationship. I do feel that she is the rare combination of childlike but wise friend/wife who would understand the needs of the rajya, of the future but also of the moment and take in stride the physicality because her friend needs it at that point (again not nice from the feminist point of view but ...)! I wish she too was given dialogues or allowed expressions that offered this nuance just as Rajat was. Or perhaps it is her equanimity in that situation that says it all.

Now going off to read the whole post once again😃


Warmest regards. Please take care!
🤗

Ashwinee



Edited by Ash67 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#39
Aunty, as in my post on your last thread, I'll say again you manage to bring the scene alive for your readers by the way you write them; even the one who have missed the episode can visualize it.
I'd so many things to say about friday's war sequence, but right now I'm beyond annoyed😡

Yet, coming back to friday's war scene...it was impressive and fought on large scale, which showed, not like last two, which though well shot, seemed like to be fought in Magadh palace courtyard.

This war was savage, and this feeling of animal rage was brought out entirely by Rajat Tokas...and to some extent by Chetan.
Their brutal hand-battle, head butting was done brilliantly. It was better than the duel with Nand, my POV. Malayketu was a match for Chandragupt, perhaps due to same teacher, he gave as well as he got, until he was bested, of course.

When Nand, told Rakshas, Malay should be safegauarded as he is to be husband of Nandini...why was Amatya nodding his head like a chamcha...didn't he had to do something about that statement?😡

The la Bajirao scene was not only well attempted, of course our hero can not go wrong there, but was also very well shot.👏

But Aunty, where was Nand getting wounded?😕
One scratch was on the arm...others? He was so much ah!! ah'oing😆

What to say about Rajat, aka our Chandra gupt Maurya? His face in war, especially his smile and the gleam in his eyes were primitive, which could chill his enemy to their bones.👍🏼

Helena wasn't shown much, and her dress was backless and thus,impractical, yes, but Aunty, a girl has to keep up with style and fashion😉😆

I'd said enough about Durdhara and her varied equations with other chief players in my post on your last thread...she is his sanctuary...absolutely.👍🏼

In absentia??? I too shall keep "one who can not be named" firmly in there and stand in partnership with your pran, after one post about monday's episode, which after watching,to say I'm seething will not be an understatement.😡😡😡

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This is a fabulous post, especially @red👏

Originally posted by: Ash67

Dearest Shyamala aunty,

I do not have words to tell you how much I have enjoyed this post. I have read the earlier ones but the problem with catch ups is the response always feels stale in the context of the latest developments and fresher impressions. I will respond to them because I want to but also because I know the effort that goes into each of them and I can understand the frustration that builds up due to lack of intellectual engagement from us readers.

I have just finished catching up with the episodes and the last one is still vivid in my mind. Your writing always enhances the pleasure of a very good episode. But this time it also filled, very eloquently, the gaps in my visual experience. I did not get to watch the clash between Malayketu and Chandra because, probably to avoid the copyrights issue, this was the part that was cut from the episode on the website I watch it on, But thanks to your vivid description I could visualise it. This is what Drutrashtra would have felt on listening to Sanjay if he had not been vicariously fighting on kurukshetra! Need I say more in praise of your 'Samhaar'?

Rajat on screen is your writing personified! He was splendid as a warrior and as splendid in the scenes with Durdhara. I agree with your take on Nandini and would try to pay as much attention to her as you do😉 - suffice it to say that she needs to work on her voice, dialogue delivery, and expressions, and CVs on developing this character.

Having said that, I feel that her less-than-royal outburst was nothing but an attempt at psychological warfare (on the CVs part). What other explanation can one have for such nonsensical
bhashya from someone who has seen Chnadra single handedly demolish her 'purush' bhais, bhavi var and especially her pitamaharaj who is alive only thanks to the setting sun.

The explanation is plausible but I don't see this Nandini capable of such quick and smart thinking

I also feel that Chanakya was not suddenly worried about Chandra's uttaradhikari but he sent Chandra to Durdhara to undo any residual effects that Nandini's comments might have left on Chandra's psyche. I would bet on this guru knowing his shishya that well and also on his cunning in trying to keep Chandra's thoughts from revisiting Nandini's speech by keeping him otherwise 😉 engaged.Cynical but not impossible since it also has the added advantage of nudging Chandra in a direction which he otherwise would not take given his 'bal bramhachari' niyat. As you said, pure politics - of a very layered kind!

What can one say of Nanda and Amatya who do not lift a finger against breaking the rules of Dharmayuddha simply because they are relieved to see Chandra go down. And where is Nandini at this point? I like the way Helena has been portrayed until now. The question I had was - why is she allowed in this war when Chandra expressly forbids her from the earlier one? Have I missed something to the copyrights? I would have liked to see Chandra reliase that she is amoral booster for the Unani soldiers.

I do not like or agree with the chorus against Nandini or Nanda's 'low' or nonroyal blood or birth. This is the outlook that has kept the caste system alive for thousands of years. A king is as king does. What Nandini says and does is not right because it is not right, period. Would it be right or good if someone of a hundred percent 'royal blood' or birth does it? For this reason, I wish EK had the guts to stick to the popular story of Chankya choosing Chandra to be the future king because of his 'kingly' behaviour in dealing with his peasant friends.

I too don't understand this fuss about royal blood. 😕

I agree with your reading of Durdhara and Chandra relationship. I do feel that she is the rare combination of childlike but wise friend/wife who would understand the needs of the rajya, of the future but also of the moment and take in stride the physicality because her friend needs it at that point (again not nice from the feminist point of view but ...)! I wish she too was given dialogues or allowed expressions that offered this nuance just as Rajat was. Or perhaps it is her equanimity in that situation that says it all.

Now going off to read the whole post once again😃


Warmest regards. Please take care!
🤗

Ashwinee



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