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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very interesting post Kaana.

The way I see this, not getting into a discussion about the Varna System - Ashok is a 14-15 year old and if he can't be an idealist at this age when can he?! Surely the realism and cynicism will set in soon enough. This is the time when he has discovered he is a Rajkumar so an entirely new world has opened to him.

Ashok is not educated in the Shastrarth so his replies were from his heart, his own experiences and so it should be. If there is one person who knows the restrictive effects of Varna system it is him. Ashok has the same qualities but not the restrictions he faced as commoner. So how can he not think if there were no restrictions on human beings trying to choose their own paths based on talent it should be allowed?

Ashok's thoughts his individuality his liberal ways is what will set him apart. Why else would he be one of the greatest Samrats ever if he thought like everybody else?

A Samrat is not just Samrat of Brahmins and Kshatriyas but of Vaishyas and Shudras too. He has to think about their welfare changing their lives for better too. Ashok did not parrot like Sushim but he actually thought like a Samrat, for his entire praja. CVs are setting up for his uniqueness as Samrat this is what made him Ashoka the Great, not just leanings towards Buddhism.

Ashok just tried to unshackle the restrictions. Only an individual different thinking person can think this way, a Sushim just does not have the ability.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: musicndance2


Good point Kryztal.. the Nanda Dynadty part didn't come to my mind.. smart girl..


And why just the Nandas? Chanakya himself is least Brahmin and more of a Kshatriya-Vaishya hybrid in his planning and cunning. And Kaana, it was Chanakya who ordained putting traitors to death and putting up the bodies for public display; so Dharma's irksome pro-life stance can hardly be attributed to her Brahminnism. 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hey Kryztal, thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is always interesting to read the same.
My attempt to answer...as I already made a disclaimer I am no expert on the subject, but will definitely share my thoughts. Please bear with typos - lappy keyboard is pathetic.
Nature Vs Nurture matters - that is why being born in differen varnas over births.
Karna - just because he is a Kshatriya need not mean he looks at anything and everthing with a fighter instinct. He had taken an oath to give anything asked - and in a true Kshtrya spirit he was not unnerved to even pierce himself to givethe kavach. Kshatriya protect dharma and he stuck to is dharma of truth here... to me this is in order.
Chanakya - here again because he is a Brahmin he will look at everything in a tame manner. Chanakya wrote the Arthasastra which call for grave punishment - he is laying down the dharma of the land. He is very much playing a satvic role here. Satvic is not being timid, but being on the path of the right, ahimsa. He is sensible unlike Dharma to delink the required right course of action from emotions. In the name of ahimsa he is not recommeding criminal t be let scott free. He is recommening that which will be a deterrent for himsa. This is very much in place according to me. Dharma on the other hand is very much confused.
Why Chankya take the case of Dronacharya whichI gave myself, he killed people in the war, which is even more unthinkable of a Brahmin.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: capricornrcks

Wow Kaana that's quite a lot to take in one swallow👏 Nevertheless well thought out arguments.The CVs might be laying the foundation now for Ashok's eventual bent towards Buddhism.


Thanks Capri for your kind words.
I not sure Buddhism foundation is going to stem from such as these. I think his wife and Kaljnga has a role to play in bringing Buddhism in his life.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">I don't know what to think. Your points are very well taken---if this was simply a debate about Varna system.</font>


<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">However, the CVs have the job of depicting a 14 year old Ashok who has very little formal training, but also has immense natural ability and wisdom. His performance should be impressive, but not what it might have been if he had been under Chanakya and other Acharyas' training from early childhood. The story also demands that Ashok, while performing impressively, narrowly lose this particular competition!</font>

<font face="Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">All in all, I think CVs were in a no-win situation and made a decent compromise.
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Thanks AKT for sharing your thoughts. Nice points made by you. Yeah, the CVs had the job of showing him intelligent yet loosing.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: moniloveasya

I love ur article
but nahi yaar apna ashok abhi itna nipud nahi
uski training nahi hui hai
n he is stil behaving like commner n stil think with heart


Yes Moni, fair point. His training not over. Thanks for coming in friend.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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But Kaana, you did put Dharma'slack of sensibility down to her innate Brahminic upbringing, which clashes with the astute logic offered in the rest of your post.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

Dear Kaana, thanks for the PM. Sorry I could not hop into the forum any sooner as I was totally busy during the weekend. The post is great. Will write my few cents alter in the day as I am in office and can't afford more time away from work (Monday). 😉


Thanks for visiting. Take your time :-)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

But Kaana, you did put Dharma'slack of sensibility down to her innate Brahminic upbringing, which clashes with the astute logic offered in the rest of your post.


Yes, but did not attribute her stupidity to Brahminic qualities.
I only made point that she is not able to scale up as a queen in a Kshatiya context because of her primary nature.

And she does understand the Kshatriya role better as she is a Brahmin and not exposed to it. Secondly her Brahminic nature supersedes when it comes to ahimsa, in her view. Just because Chanakya, a Brahmin, was smart, practical, well learned, farsighted need not mean every other Brahmin out there need be the same way right? She definitely is not well learned and just goes by her heart. She is unable to appreciate things like Chanakya.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose



Interesting post Kaana. How and why a person is born into a particular caste or family or why he leads a particular life is more complicated then that, don't you think 😉

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OMG my head is reeling in 100 wys now!
As always you bring a smile with your post.
Thanks for jumping in. Missed you for few days.

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