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Originally posted by: jayaks02

Personal attacks, Name Calling, deragatory language is consistently used in this thread - Looks like these people are Pro at this skill - I have reported many today to Admin - Do not know what action will be taken. But still for my conscience, have done what I feel is required to be done.

This is no way to discuss, debate , exchange ideas or nourish one another - Never come into these threads - Came here due to Madrasi name calling etc. Will stay away from now on.

Abhay- history_geek : As Thread Owner, REquest you to please bring impulsive and offensive comments under control. Though I have never agreed with your posts, content and logic in the past , I always find your responses cultured and full of proper language and hence directing / making this request to you. Thanks much.

I have reported many offensive posts or responses in this thread to the MODS. Hope they take a note.

Originally posted by: chitterati

@bold: exact same reason, and i too condemned that, but despite that apparently there was a tirade launched against my post as if i had used those terms, just as you reserve the right to be critical of a character, others do too, if you make that personal and direct it towards another person - be prepared for a backlash.

I am not seeing the show for more than a week now - dharma's track is dragging and irritating. Now I read an update that B is doing sanskar for D!

Chanakya makes me think. I may not be able to accept that Chanakya is unaware that it is N who is dead. She is his spy and he would obviously have a tab on her. He has spies in the palace and he would have known H's plan, but smartly instead of thwarting it used it to his advantage. And he has gone to that extent of doing sanskar leaving no room for any doubt in anyone's mind, be it H or Ashoka.

However one thing bothers me here. How could B be convinced to do it, especially when Ashoka, the son as known to others also is very much there. Only son has the first right to do sanskar, husband only in the absence of son. Can someone throw me light on what reason Chanakya gave to convince B? Pl don't ask me to watch the episode - mercy please:)

All posts that were pertaining to other historical characters, other serials/other historical period have been trashed as i clearly posted that such comments should be halted.

Members need not point out to me of who started what, its doesnt matter who started it, it matters that it continued when it could have been ignored.

Henceforth keep discussion to Chanakya, any deviations will now lead to warning, regardless of who instigated who, you deviate from discussion, you are culpable for action being taken against you.

Originally posted by: Kaana

I am not seeing the show for more than a week now - dharma's track is dragging and irritating. Now I read an update that B is doing sanskar for D!

Chanakya makes me think. I may not be able to accept that Chanakya is unaware that it is N who is dead. She is his spy and he would obviously have a tab on her. He has spies in the palace and he would have known H's plan, but smartly instead of thwarting it used it to his advantage. And he has gone to that extent of doing sanskar leaving no room for any doubt in anyone's mind, be it H or Ashoka.

However one thing bothers me here. How could B be convinced to do it, especially when Ashoka, the son as known to others also is very much there. Only son has the first right to do sanskar, husband only in the absence of son. Can someone throw me light on what reason Chanakya gave to convince B? Pl don't ask me to watch the episode - mercy please:)

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Dharma. No no not Shubadrangi Dharma but duty.😆</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">King declared regal cremation. As a mark of respect for someone who risked her life by accepting to protect the king amidst looming danger, when her son has refused to do the rites. B says that as a king it wouldn't be right. But he had the responsibility of protecting her in forest that he failed. So he would give up his kingship for a day and fulfill the rites.😲</font>

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Wonder if the director is trying to showcase Siddharth's acting / crying talents and dragging the track on and on like a bail gaadi. The whole thing is becoming redundant.</font>

Oh no Sands! You have complicated it further for me:( Ashoka refused to do the rites - If someone can explain why or am I forced to watch the Epi now?

And what is this logic of risking her life to save the king - I thought she did her duty as a dasi. And worse, he failed to protect her and so he does sanskar. I wonder how many sanskar will he do then in the name of his many sipaih's death during war or even during any calamity that strikes the praja.

C'mon guys, give me a break. Please don't belittle a king like this, if you are thinking you are glorifying B in this process, sadly NO. You are making him look like a fool. CVs seem to damage many kings by their whims - Sands you know what I mean!

Sands, let me tell you, we both are going to have problems, exasperations and what not, unless we shed logic, which is way too difficult for us both! Unless you have matured well enough from previous experience;)

Originally posted by: Kaana

Oh no Sands! You have complicated it further for me:( Ashoka refused to do the rites - If someone can explain why or am I forced to watch the Epi now?

Ashoka refused to do the rites as he believes his mom to be alive.

And what is this logic of risking her life to save the king - I thought she did her duty as a dasi. And worse, he failed to protect her and so he does sanskar. I wonder how many sanskar will he do then in the name of his many sipaih's death during war or even during any calamity that strikes the praja.

All these arguments were put forth by the Samithi. Mir Khorasan says that there are many sincere sipaahis who died in the king's service. King can't do anthim sanskaar of them all. Chief Purohit says that a kung who has done rites can't partake in normal activities forsometime and hence inadvisable. Helena says that Chanakya ought to convince Ashoka and not Bindusaar. Queens say that a lady's rites can only be done by a father husband ir son.Khallatak also gives his argument that however noble, if a king keeps doing rites of his loyalists then half his life will be spent in rites only.

But Chanakya argues on grounds of manushyatha.😲 gulp... i had a dejavu of Jodha's argument that Shariffuddin ought to be forgiven as his child will question - meri kya galti thi? Bindusaar like Jalal agrees giving the most touched expression , but in this context it looks funny.😡

C'mon guys, give me a break. Please don't belittle a king like this, if you are thinking you are glorifying B in this process, sadly NO. You are making him look like a fool. CVs seem to damage many kings by their whims - Sands you know what I mean!

Jalal ke baad, ab Bindusaar ki baari. Poor Ashoka. I dread what is in store for him😲😭

Sands, let me tell you, we both are going to have problems, exasperations and what not, unless we shed logic, which is way too difficult for us both! Unless you have matured well enough from previous experience;)

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">I have become immune. I like the actress playing Dharma and the kid Siddharth. If Ashoka senior will be played by RT or someone with stleast half his looks and talents i will continue. Else, quits for sure.</font>

Thanks for your patient explanation. Now l am terrified of what they are going to make of Chanakya.
And thought you are a good friend of mine. Why did you have to remind me of JA and Sheriffudin especially- aargh!

@Jayaks02
I am only replying since your post/request on previous page was for to me. The MOD has taken the note of the situation and i had also posted a request on the previous page, last night, from my end. Hopefully, from now on, discussions will proceed in right direction.

It's ok if you don't agree with my posts/logic. Many times, I too, don't agree with yours or many other posts. That is the whole point of the forum - that within prescribed COC , we can ALL say what we want to, whether it's is not liked or not agreed with, by everyone.



@Kaana

Missed reading your LONG well written posts. I told you earlier, it is MAINLY the character of Chanakya who got me here. I wanted to see a shrewd and VERY smart person who could turn the tables in a split second a la Bismarck or a cunning Machiavelli who could be RUTHLESS to his opponent. But this portrayal of Chanakya has more of talk not substance and NOT similar actions, which match the person we know Chanakya was. Somehow, that statesmanship which appeared in his character earlier in the show is now missing. Don't you think so ?

The present track is giving me sort of disappointment, though very finely enacted by the cast. But, i would have found it very interesting to see a Chanakya who knew every thing in his mind, and was playing games with the conspirators. I really hope he is shown as THE BOSS in this track, at least at the end. What say ? Though, chances are grim at the moment.

Originally posted by: history_geek

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@Jayaks02
I am only replying since your post/request on previous page was for to me.
The MOD has taken the note of the situation and i had also posted a
request on the previous page, last night, from my end. Hopefully, from
now on, discussions will proceed in right direction.

It's ok if you don't agree with my posts/logic. Many times, I too, don't agree
with yours or many other posts. That is the whole point of the forum - that within prescribed COC , we can ALL
say what we want to, whether it's is not liked or not agreed with, by everyone.



@Kaana

Missed reading your LONG well written posts. I told you earlier, it is MAINLY the character of Chanakya who got me here. I wanted to see a shrewd and VERY smart person who could turn the tables in a split second a la Bismarck or a cunning Machiavelli who could be RUTHLESS to his opponent. But this portrayal of Chanakya has more of talk not substance and NOT similar actions, which match the person we know Chanakya was. Somehow, that statesmanship which appeared in his character earlier in the show is now missing. Don't you think so ?

The present track is giving me sort of disappointment, though very finely enacted by the cast. But, i would have found it very interesting to see a Chanakya who knew every thing in his mind, and was playing games with the conspirators. I really hope he is shown as THE BOSS in this track, at least at the end. What say ? Though, chances are grim at the moment.


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Abhay, nice to see you back on Chanakya. Before going to Chanakya, I really liked your response to Jaya- you are so open minded.

Regarding our hero Chanakya, should I say same pinch? I am also primary here for him. And his character getting compromised is something I cannot tolerate. In my rage, I know what I will do - quit the show:(, only thing in my hands. Even if masala is being added to history and a lil compromise here and there in timelines etc., are relatively tolerable to me, in comparison to compromise of the chatacter of the admirable great heroes of our mathrubhoomi. In this, in my opinion, only MP is spared but for few rare compromises on his character. That is why I prefer to watch it, though history there beats me at times. Also, the fact is that to me, Maharana Pratap is the greatest hero, even much before tThe Great kings of our glorious motherland. (By the way I am a proper Chennaite.)

Coming to Chanakya's portrayal, I agree with you that it is not the same as before, quality is going down. I still like MJ, especially for his dialogue delivery and the calm frame. But, in the name of building suspense (Dharma's death track), Chanakya could leave an impression of being taken for granted. If you would have noted, I only said may leave an impression so, as to me it is not the impression yet, as I still Chanakya is largely at play. And why I feel so (based ony limited knowledge of the show from WUs, as I am not watching the show for a little more than a week now. So pl excuse for any flaws.)
- Dharma's (assumed) face is distorted. Why would Helena's killer distort her face, if the objective is only to get rid of her, which according to them has been accomplished anyway
- how could Dharma know its a wrong route - she is knew to Pataliputra and has been one the palace, only with B all the time, though sadly as a dasi. Whereas Nirjara would know the route
- Nirjara is posted for Dharma's security and given the Bhakti to Magadh and Chanakya, these spies would not hesitate to give their lives
- either Helena's D killing plan is fully known or atleast a potential threat is envisaged by Chanakya and so N could have been substituted- this also justifies why she knew the route and why her face was distorted
- another possibility, which Chanakya is very well capable of is, knowing H's plan he could have substituted H's soldiers but still carried out the task, but as he would have wanted (and hence face distortion) and declared D dead- by this D could be spared of H's continued threat (he might have figured out that H is aware D-Ashoka rel), while Ashoka will be instigated to pursue the chosen path. He would turn out to be a smart player if something like this has happened, which as usual would be revealed as flashback in the court.
- making B do the samskar - I need to see the epi to clearly understand what exactly he said and why. Making B do the karma - what could be achieved by this really by Chanakya, he definitely should have something up his sleeve. Thinking aloud - is it for emotional blackmail of B later (when he knows its D actually) to do favour to Ashoka. Chanakya could substantiate D as his wife even without D being alive - the ring, Ashoka saying his mother's name as Dharma, the village ppl as proof etc etc- Chanakya can always find a way. But I don't think history will be compromised big time as D was alive for long. Maybe her life style is portrayed differently to add all those drama effect, but it will not be to the extent of eliminating her - that would gross violation of history. Also, we should have a good reason for Ashoka to kill Sushim (Adhoka will have to white as the hero and there ought to be a compelling reason in that sense, which is history also as I understand). So, D cannot be laid off so early.
So, summarily, I still have hopes and trust in CSA's Chanakya. If it turns otherwise, it is CSA's Chanakya who would have fallen anyway, my Chanakya will remain intact untouched!