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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Kaana,

The part in blue is spot on. It is exactly like the well known saying that courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to master one's fear and soldier on.

As for this Chanakya, I do not think too much of either the casting or the character. I hear much praise of Manish Wadhwa's Chanakya in the recent Chandragupta Maurya, and seeing how good he is in Mahakumbh, I am not surprised. But for me, the definitive TV Chanakya is Chandraprakash Dwivedi in the 1990 serial Chanakya, now being retelecast on Doordarshan.

Chanakya would, to my mind, have been stern, withdrawn, a figure that inspires instant awe and some fear as well. Someone who radiates intelligence, who can dominated one and all without effort. Not someone who looks like a well fed pandit, and has to justify his actions, and his plans, in open court, as if he was a common amaatya.

I do agree that the best detectives look nothing like one but rather like bank clerks, and the best intelligence agents are mousy characters whom you would never notice. But this is the founder of the greatest empire India has ever seen, one of the most astute and subtle strategists and tacticians in world history, and this is NOT how I want him to look!

Overall, the serial is getting to be tiresomely melodramatic, with far too much time spent on Ashoka yearning for his mother, and there is far too much slo mo for his movements, with that ghastly Ashoka hai, Ashoka hai being dinned into one's ears. It is the worst theme piece I have ever heard for a historical serial so far.

The emperor is a typical TV serial male lead (for the present), who never knows ki uski nak je neeche kya kya khichdi pak rahi hai, and with no judgment of his near ones, all of whom are plotting against him to different degrees. Jalal in Jodha Akbar, Bindusara here, that is all the difference. The Queen Mother looks dessicated, and her son is tiresome, with his one expression fits all scenes, when he is not casting sly and entirely inappropriately pleased side glances at his matera.

But for young Siddharth, who made me watch it in the first place, and pay extra for the channel to boot - and he is being seriously under-utilised and made to show standard issue emotions for the most part, as anyone who has seen him as the young Rudra in Mahakumbh will agree - I would quit. If I wanted endless murderous intrigues, I would rather go back to the ancient I, Claudius, with Derek Jacoby!

Shyamala Aunty


@Red: Sorry to butt in here, But I love your for the lines in red Aunty, absolutely my thoughts on it 🤗
I thought, I am the only one to dislike the title track of CAS😆

Me too watching Dr. Chandra Prakash Dwivedi's Chanakya, after hearing rave reviews about him, and true to it, he is the ultimate onscreen Chanakya
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font size="3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">My dear Kaana,

The part in <font color="#0000FF">blue</font> is spot on. It is exactly like the well known saying that courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to master one's fear and soldier on.

As for this Chanakya, I do not think too much of either the casting or the character. I hear much praise of Manish Wadhwa's Chanakya in the recent Chandragupta Maurya, and seeing how good he is in Mahakumbh, I am not surprised. But for me, the definitive TV Chanakya is Chandraprakash Dwivedi in the 1990 serial Chanakya, now being retelecast on Doordarshan.

Chanakya would, to my mind, have been stern, withdrawn, a figure that inspires instant awe and some fear as well. Someone who radiates intelligence, who can dominated one and all without effort. Not someone who looks like a well fed pandit, and has to justify his actions, and his plans, in open court, as if he was a common amaatya.

I do agree that the best detectives look nothing like one but rather like bank clerks, and the best intelligence agents are mousy characters whom you would never notice. But this is the founder of the greatest empire India has ever seen, one of the most astute and subtle strategists and tacticians in world history, and this is NOT how I want him to look!

Overall, the serial is getting to be tiresomely melodramatic, with far too much time spent on Ashoka yearning for his mother, and there is far too much slo mo for his movements, with that ghastly Ashoka hai, Ashoka hai being dinned into one's ears. It is the worst theme piece I have ever heard for a historical serial so far.

The emperor is a typical TV serial male lead (for the present), who never knows ki uski nak je neeche kya kya khichdi pak rahi hai, and with no judgment of his near ones, all of whom are plotting against him to different degrees. Jalal in Jodha Akbar, Bindusara here, that is all the difference. The Queen Mother looks dessicated, and her son is tiresome, with his one expression fits all scenes, when he is not casting sly and entirely inappropriately pleased side glances at his matera.

But for young Siddharth, who made me watch it in the first place, and pay extra for the channel to boot - and he is being seriously under-utilised and made to show standard issue emotions for the most part, as anyone who has seen him as the young Rudra in Mahakumbh will agree - I would quit. If I wanted endless murderous intrigues, I would rather go back to the ancient I, Claudius, with Derek Jacoby!

Shyamala Aunty


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Shyamala Aunty, I am very touched. Though unwell you had to take the trouble to respond to an amateur's post, just because I invited you into it. Hats off! Very impressive and Truly inspiring. I actually was going to put a note to you requesting you to not strain yourself. But lo! It's already here, a wonderful piece.
I totally agree with you with theme song. Could have been better. And your reaction to Justin's reactions were just bang on. That Chanakya could effortlessly dominate anyone is so much in contrast to CAS Chanakya! He looks a bechara in comparison! I think I need to see the other Chanakya's to be spoilt :) And this track is such a drag that I stopped watching.

Thanks again so much for your time despite your health. It was lovely to read your views. Try to drop in when you can, if you have the time and inclination:).

Please take care and let me know that you have healed well and back to normalcy. Wishing you a speedy recovery.
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Posted: 10 years ago
No, my dear Kaana, I meant the comments on your much longer post, which is quite fascinating. I will try and do that tomorrow. This one was just an off the cuff, unintended letting off steam about all that irritates me in the show.😉

I do not know what you mean by amateur, young lady, for it is not just you but all of us who are amateurs, and I think that even an amateur writer deserves the reader's attention and respect. You do, you know.

Try and watch the 1990 Chanakya on Doordarshan, on Sunday mornings, I think. It will be worth the effort.

I am afraid my knee is not going to get any better till I have a full knee replacement end May. Till then, it is more likely to get worse, as it is a case of bad arthritis. Given the constant pain when I bend it, I find posts like yours a welcome diversion, only I cannot sit and type for too long at a stretch. My Mahakumbh posts are done in parts.

Take care, and see you again here soon to deliver on the remaining promise. Then, adios!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Kaana


Shyamala Aunty, I am very touched. Though unwell you had to take the trouble to respond to an amateur's post, just because I invited you into it. Hats off! Very impressive and Truly inspiring. I actually was going to put a note to you requesting you to not strain yourself. But lo! It's already here, a wonderful piece.
I totally agree with you with theme song. Could have been better. And your reaction to Justin's reactions were just bang on. That Chanakya could effortlessly dominate anyone is so much in contrast to CAS Chanakya! He looks a bechara in comparison! I think I need to see the other Chanakya's to be spoilt :) And this track is such a drag that I stopped watching.

Thanks again so much for your time despite your health. It was lovely to read your views. Try to drop in when you can, if you have the time and inclination:).

Please take care and let me know that you have healed well and back to normalcy. Wishing you a speedy recovery.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font size="3" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">My dear Kaana,

The part in <font color="#0000FF">blue</font> is spot on. It is exactly like the well known saying that courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to master one's fear and soldier on.

As for this Chanakya, I do not think too much of either the casting or the character. I hear much praise of Manish Wadhwa's Chanakya in the recent Chandragupta Maurya, and seeing how good he is in Mahakumbh, I am not surprised. But for me, the definitive TV Chanakya is Chandraprakash Dwivedi in the 1990 serial Chanakya, now being retelecast on Doordarshan.

Chanakya would, to my mind, have been stern, withdrawn, a figure that inspires instant awe and some fear as well. Someone who radiates intelligence, who can dominated one and all without effort. Not someone who looks like a well fed pandit, and has to justify his actions, and his plans, in open court, as if he was a common amaatya.

I do agree that the best detectives look nothing like one but rather like bank clerks, and the best intelligence agents are mousy characters whom you would never notice. But this is the founder of the greatest empire India has ever seen, one of the most astute and subtle strategists and tacticians in world history, and this is NOT how I want him to look!

Overall, the serial is getting to be tiresomely melodramatic, with far too much time spent on Ashoka yearning for his mother, and there is far too much slo mo for his movements, with that ghastly Ashoka hai, Ashoka hai being dinned into one's ears. It is the worst theme piece I have ever heard for a historical serial so far.

The emperor is a typical TV serial male lead (for the present), who never knows ki uski nak je neeche kya kya khichdi pak rahi hai, and with no judgment of his near ones, all of whom are plotting against him to different degrees. Jalal in Jodha Akbar, Bindusara here, that is all the difference. The Queen Mother looks dessicated, and her son is tiresome, with his one expression fits all scenes, when he is not casting sly and entirely inappropriately pleased side glances at his matera.

But for young Siddharth, who made me watch it in the first place, and pay extra for the channel to boot - and he is being seriously under-utilised and made to show standard issue emotions for the most part, as anyone who has seen him as the young Rudra in Mahakumbh will agree - I would quit. If I wanted endless murderous intrigues, I would rather go back to the ancient I, Claudius, with Derek Jacoby!

Shyamala Aunty


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Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
Dear Shyamala Aunty, thanks so much for your kind words. Honestly, I can't wait for your post. But I am placing a request to you to not do the post. Your health and well being is more important than my desire. The post can wait or even fine if its not coming. So please do not strain yourself. I can't bear anyone going through any pain, and all the more when its due to me. If it would help, I can give mukth from the promise, as it was given to me.

I am more worried to note that its acute pain calling for knee replacement. Maybe I will rattle now and then, and send links to you if it entertains you, but thou shall not strain writing one please.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">No, my dear Kaana, I meant the comments on your much longer post, which is quite fascinating. I will try and do that tomorrow. This one was just an off the cuff, unintended letting off steam about all that irritates me in the show.😉

I do not know what you mean by amateur, young lady, for it is not just you but all of us who are amateurs, and I think that even an amateur writer deserves the reader's attention and respect. You do, you know.

Try and watch the 1990 Chanakya on Doordarshan, on Sunday mornings, I think. It will be worth the effort.

I am afraid my knee is not going to get any better till I have a full knee replacement end May. Till then, it is more likely to get worse, as it is a case of bad arthritis. Given the constant pain when I bend it, I find posts like yours a welcome diversion, only I cannot sit and type for too long at a stretch. My Mahakumbh posts are done in parts.

Take care, and see you again here soon to deliver on the remaining promise. Then, adios!

Shyamala Aunty





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Posted: 10 years ago
Excellent, my dear Kaana. Beautifully reasoned, and impeccably argued re: the svadharma part. I especially liked the parts I have put in blue.

To my mind (and keeping it unusually short for me!😉), Dharma/Shubhadrangi is a confused, sanctimonious woman who is a typical Indian TV soap heroine, being illogically mahaan, giving endless preachy bhashans about her pet theme, ahimsa, and wanting to impose her views on everyone who cares for her. She actually says that the perfect ahimsawaadi would choose to die unresisting violence rather than use violence even in self defence. Not even Mahatma Gandhi went that far.

She makes me feel exasperated just looking at her, and I think it is a pity she is going to be resurrected. And why is she skulking about in that hut, leaving her son to break his heart for her?

See what I am doing now! You, my dear, are a wicked temptress! 😉I am glad I am not in this forum for post analysis, otherwise I would be doing nothing else all day, and my knee would go completely kaput.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Kaana

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Maddy, as always a delight to read your post. And, I am glad that you did not spare Bindusar - he seems to be sharing his thoughts more with the dasi than his wives. And spending more time with her than in the sabha for that matter,where also she is present. And ofcourse Ashoka has a free entry to the sabha anytime and can just say whatever he wants even in the middle of a discussion going on there. While, Ashoka maybe the hero, his daas position in the show as of now has to be borne in mind😕
Dharma - now which dharma is she talking about???? Kshatriya dhama or Brahmana dharma??Dharma for each of the four castes has been spelt out clearly by the Lord with the wellbeing of the world in mind. So, now Dharma in the name of dharma seem to be preaching a new dharma to me!! Well, it is not necessarily a new dharma, but a mixing up of dharma as I see for that matter. I was shocked when she asked the boon of shedding the weapons to Bindusar. The same one who said that he has to do his kshatriya dharma, more than pati dharma and packed him off to Pataliputra, now says he has to shed his kshatriya dharma. IF she had said that you do not wage war or use your weapon unnecessarily, but only to protect the motherland - then it may make sense, but asking to renounce weapons is shocking! Not at all, my dear, it is exactly what a TV serial heroine would do. I see that this penchant for self-righteousness and lack of logic & commonsense is not confined to Ms.Ekta Kapoor's creations.😉

Essentially, in my opinion, she is going through what Bhagavan has said the Bhagavad Gita. He says that when there is a mix of caste, confusion sets in and dharma gets hit. That is what is happening here. She is pushing her Brahmana dharma (where ahimsa is pratomo dharma for the saatvik Brahmins) on to her Kshatriya husband. What will happen to the country then - did she think about it? If Bindusar is going to sit and meditate, do japa, then enemies will just ride over him and the country. Then don't blame ahimsa as the reason for such a debacle. The issue is one did not apply ahimsa dharma corectly.

As a Brahmana, agreed that it would be her temperament to go by ahimsa. But as a Brahmin, she would be well-versed on te scriptures, and thereby the nuances of dharma -meaning, she should be able to guide the king on the right path of following his dharma. Instead, she is pushing the Brahmana dharma on to a Kshatriya, which is not right. One has to pactice one's svadharma (one's own prescribed dharma) for the well-being of the universe, else there will be chaos.

And, now, she is applying the same Brahmana dharma on Ashoka. Let us give it to her for this for a moment. Actually, in the case of Ashoka, technically speaking he is not a Kshatriya, as he is born of a mix of two castes and so technically, does not belong to either of the castes. (the child of such a mix, belongs to neither of the four stated castes and is a brashta (who is out of the said norms) technically). So, there is no kshatriya dharma that binds him as I see, but being the king later on, the raj dharma would bind him thenthough. So, maybe, she chose her own Brahmana dharma to be his life style as e does not have a dharma of his own (not belonging anywhere) ad as he will anyway not be noncomplying to Kshatriya dharma by not following that path.
However, is this decision now a practical one as Maddy has rightly asked here?
Few thoughts:
- in the first place, she committed herself into it.I need to go back to that epsiode to remember what exactly were the words by which she commited into - but if am right, though Ashoka's security was the prime factor, she was also bought into the hitam (wellbeing) of Magadh. So, for Magadh's well-being, given Ashoka's competence, it might do well to get him trained.
- secondly, for Ashoka's own security as well, it will be beneficial to get him trained on shastram-s.
(weapons).
- being the son of the king, especially after knowing that he did not deceive her, maybe it is her duty to train her son on the path of his father, with the above two reasons adding weight to it. Should this not overweigh her own beliefs and likes? You have some hope? This kind of self-righteous female would never let anything, no matter how sound, outweigh her own beliefs and likes.😉
- the child's interest and capabilities, ability to lead a nation, over which he anyway has a right legally, needs to be borne in mind?
- Considering not just her views but the father' view also- it is not that the father is not around - Bindusar has given is views anyway, which wll only be doubly so if he knows Ashoka as his son. She should be glad about the interest Bindusar is personally taking on his son. (She behaves as if Bindusar has nothing to do with Ashoka)
- enable her husband, the king, to rule better with the help of Ashoka. As a wife of the king, it is her reponsibility as well to ensure a safe and prosperous Magadh, and her support for her husband in his duty. (She is behaving as if she has nothing to do with her husband, even after knowing the truth as to how much he loves her)
-agreed, that she may not be aware of the misfit of the other princes and so there may not be a burning need for Ashoka to take on in her view, giving him the option to lead a more pious life. Still, the question remains, if she can decide on Ashoka's future independntly, especially after getting a sense from Bindusar and the desperate need for him from none other than Chanakya himself, the Acharya of her husband and the protector of Magadh.
A note for Dharma - having earned a name as Dharma, I assume that you must be conversant with dharma and you may also know that a Karma yogi does what needs be done and not what one wants to. Agreed,being dharmic need not necessarily being a Karma Yogi, but given your samskara-s and saatvik qualities, you have all in you to scale yourself further as a Karma Yogi. You have Chanakya as a good guide right in front of you. You did not even have an answer to his point about Himsa vs ahimsa (as beautifully explained by Maddy above). Time to pause and think about what really needs be done?
Sorry guys, if this turned out to be a complicated post!

Edited by sashashyam - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago

Thanks Aunty for your kind response, so you have chosen not to listen to me:). And thanks very much for your kind words, you have been very generous. coming from you means a lot to me, thanks again.

Aunty, I really don't know why the CVs in the name of projecting someone noble and out of the ordinary, finally end up making them look a fool? And dharm is taken for granted and the writers seem to have no qualms in playing with it liberally, twisting it in all possible directions leaving the viewers confused, worse, engendering hatred for the portrayed character which may as such not deserve this hatred as per history. This I see as a pattern across the shows. So many great ones, be it the kings or the queens, the heroes or heroines in the variuous historical shows, have been subjected to this, when they deserve much better treatment and better regards by the writers or the viewers. Quite sad indeed! The writers need to pause and consider this negative impact of their such portrayal.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Kaana


Aunty, I really don't know why the CVs in the name of projecting someone noble and out of the ordinary, finally end up making them look a fool?

It is a pity what these mahaan heroines are made to do. It was jodha in ja and dharma here. Theyare made to utter the most impractical high sounding stuff that is more of a mockery of the intelligence of these ladies. Would the real Jodha, a lady who captured the imagination and heart of a man of Akbar's calibre behave in the way the serial gal does...simply speak speak and speak that too all high-strung nobility dripping impractical words? Follwed by similar actions too? Asking an Emperor to tyaag himsa was so ridiculous even by Dharma's standards.

And dharm is taken for granted and the writers seem to have no qualms in playing with it liberally, twisting it in all possible directions leaving the viewers confused, worse, engendering hatred for the portrayed character which may as such not deserve this hatred as per history.

Not hatred, but yes, it does leave a bitter taste. Howmuchever we try to keep the real and reel apart, sometimes they do merge.

This I see as a pattern across the shows. So many great ones, be it the kings or the queens, the heroes or heroines in the variuous historical shows, have been subjected to this, when they deserve much better treatment and better regards by the writers or the viewers. Quite sad indeed! The writers need to pause and consider this negative impact of their such portrayal.


They ought to realize that like the car chases and colour lights sold in the'70s but will be absurd to follow the pattern now, similarly the days of teary suffering mahaan heroines are over. Goodness appeals. Not these ott greatness.
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As Sands had mentioned, the past melodrama continues even today in the shows, while character being natural would be much appreciated by the viewers of today.

In my previous post, I touched upon the issue at a superficial level, but will add a bit more to it now that Sands have shared her thoughts and made few important points. However, I would like to adhere to the dharma of this thread, and thereby stick to the rules laid down by the TM and also the CM. So, will not get into a detailed discussion of other shows here in this thread, but will restrict to minor mentions as examples.

Here's my take on historical shows and what bothers me just as many of my friends here. In the name of historical shows, the type of shows which may appeal to the viewers of anytime, a lot of liberties have been taken, to the extent of distortion of tall figures of history. A Channel Moderator in another forum had mentioned that masala may have to be added keeping in mind the current audience taste. Fair point and I respect that CM's view. And response to that from a foum-wasi was that in which case disclaimer' be added. Again, maybe, a fair suggestion. But what does not look fair to me is that great historical figures, who have EARNED their status and won the love and respect of the people of their times till date, by their character, achievements and much adored personality, cannot be tarnished, not even in a minor manner. How can this ever be fair? How can great ones character, for that matter anyone's character be played with as one may choose to? That is why to me even disclaimer may not be fair. If you are making a show on a great historical figure, you better stick to the truth in portraying his or her character, else do not even use his or her name in your show, let alone a disclaimer. Historical shows come with a responsibility! If the responsibility cannot be borne, don't venture would be my suggestion.

It is ok and yes required to add masala to the show. But just add them to the show, and not to these great characters is all am saying. The character need to be left intact. Even if the said historical figure had a bad, even sinful past, say it as is. Why paint them total white? Because of the unwritten rule that heroes and heroines always need to be white, not even a taint in the past? If that is the rule, then do shows of such historical figures who may comply with all your rules of the day. Or if you do not find any such, just stick to your fictional stories and do anything you want with the characters there, none can question you. But, why choose to distort a glorious historical character and history? On what right could it be done? Do the makers of the show realize that they are leaving their viewers painful in this process? I am sure this not what is aspired. Just as a forum friend (Coderlady) had suggested in her post, just do fictional stories if you are incapable of dealing with historical figures.

Yes, romance appeals to a majority of the viewers, so the masala added here with nice romantic moments of a Jodha-Jalal or a Pratap-Ajabde and am sure a Ashoka-Devi tomorrow, will be received with open hands and raving comments anytime. This is so, as the concept and such emotion appeals to the audience, and so you are fair in making it exciting to the viewers, especially as the history also talks of their love story. (Well, some may argue the historical evidence behind it. But to me it does not matter, as just as half questions the validity of the history, there is another half proving the history behind it as well. So, this may be fine still catering to one half atleast, as against nothing in history which happens quite liberally in these shows). Moving on, it is also appreciable that the key events in their lives are included in the shows. But how are they included - this is where the viewers have a problem. Recently in MP show, to show a turning point in his life, he was portrayed confused, which even as per the show character portrayed so far does not fit. Likewise, how much Akbar has been taken a royal ride for in JA, we all know. These tall figures are made buddharams, because the writers did not care about the damage they cause to their character or to be precise the writers in the name of pleasing the audience chose to damage their characters, while it has only left the audience miserable. It is heartbreaking to see great ones like these shown as stupid, brainless and need a wife to tell anything and everything in the world. Just because, yet again due to the unwritten rule that heroines are the intelligent ones, bhalidhaan-s always and to glorify them the husbands of them had to pay a huge price and be shown weak and stupid? Even if the heroine's unwritten rule cannot be compromised, it could still be portrayed without compromising on the hero, especially such all-time real heroes. Dear CVs, do what you want with your reel heroes, I do not care. It is entirely your creation. But the real heroes, being played with by zeroes is unbearable.

And why I had to say zeroes? Let me say I still have regards for the CVs, and they have delivered some wonderful and brilliant tracks, like the recent Daman Singh track in MP, but the alignment to the standard TV shows beats me. Why only few brilliant tracks, which you are capable of, just here and there? Why can't it be a brilliant show totally? For instance, take a Harry Potter or the Lord of the Rings, a different world was created and every book was gripping. That is where challenge lies in, talent lies in. Agreed, these are short term compared to serials, where again there is an unwritten rule that it has to be run for few years and extended as long as possible. So, maybe you are running out of themes. Still you can refer to many of the exceptional stories written by great authors around the world for inspiration than the standard kitchen politics. If you are going to argue, that the saas-bahu types is what is liked by the viewers and therefore became a rule, now, who created this rule or this interest in such types in the viewer's mind? PHs like you? Then I suppose, you can change it with your new themes now and create a history. Why not try different things? Especially, when the audience of these days want different, sensible and more natural stuff. So, why go by the grind?

When great historical characters are touched, in the name of NR, the impact is high. A wrong history is being conveyed to masses not aware of the complete history, also hatred or over attachment sets in which the character may not deserve also, as well as blind belief in the characters. How can this be justified? And each show shows a different version of the same characters, even such great, popular, well known icons of all ages. When one glorifies another may show the same personality dark, based on who the hero is (as he has to be totally white and anyone who opposes him needs to be black). I am surprised how no legal action is being taken against such shows, where the pride of the nation is taken for granted and played around with.

The period to which the show caters to, needs to be borne in mind always. But, there is a mix here, pushing in the views and beliefs of this century and hence the resultant mess. Showing Jodha, the royal queen as a sleuth, letting a criminal free etc. etc. - which queen of that age would have done that, even if the queen be the most adored by the king? When vachans, dharma etc. talked and shown as adhered to in line with that age which is dearth these days, then why mix some masala as per this century in to these old time shows? This is where the big issue is. None cribbed about the Ramayana show, which is soaked in dharma, because it stuck to the time period and what happened then, period. This mixing up of masala from various timelines, is leaving the characters contradicted and the viewers confused.

Lastly, I want to touch upon the bhaashan queens, as the heroines/ beloved queens of the great kings are referred to or to be precise bashed by some viewers. Now, what has been done to these queens getting them so much bashing? Maybe we do not have much information about the queen, take the example of Dharma. Does this mean she can be taken for granted, make her say insensible thing, contradict her own beliefs, inconsistency in her own projected character and portrayed as a TV soap heroine? If as per history she was so confused then portray so, else why send such a wrong message? Having no information does not justify that she can be shown anyway. Jodha - the Khaiber track or gifting Sheriffudin release to Bakshi - why make her look so stupid? I believe in the power and value of love and karuna, but it has to be a sensible one. In the name of karuna, all murderers cannot be left free. Dear Cvs, you are stabbing the same heroine you are trying to glorify, worse in the name of glorification. Be consistent in the portrayal of these characters, even of your own show version characters first.

The Jodha, Ajabde and now Dharma from the different shows have been bashed liberally, thanks to the CVs. As I had mentioned in the previous post and as Sandhya, my dear friend, has rightly said, the portrayal causes so much bitterness in one that it extends to the historical figure. That is the sad state of affairs. How, how at all is this fair? It could be argued that the viewers need to be matured to view this as the serial version and not impose this personality on the REAL one and start attacking the Real one. But how many viewers are going to be so matured? But Cvs, my question to you is thatt if you are expecting such a matured audience, then why you need a standard TV soap concept to run your show, it could have been a more intelligent dramatization? This negative or positive feeling extending to the real characters is bound to happen. Those viewers who are well aware of history, they know the truth anyway and they know for sure whom they are bashing. But what about the masses in general who may not be conversant with the history? Like, many of us in the forum know for sure what a Maharana or a Ashoka or a Akbar was and how muchever distortion is done, we know for sure that the original one is untainted by these, though we may feel miserable at such stupid portrayal. However, in the case of the queens, where such vast information may not be available, unless someone takes the trouble to dig them out, as my friend Abhay has tirelessly done, there is a possibility that the distorted version could be associated with the real one for lack of any other information. This is one of the reasons as I see as to why there is more queen bashing than a king bashing in these shows. And more importantly, the portrayal of these queens as standard TV noble bahu heroines. Is this fair to these queens, giving room for such liberal bashing of them? I recently read a post where Dharma is loathed. She is now becoming the next Jodha, unfortunately. But who is responsible for this? They or you writers?

Regarding the bhaashan-s per say, in this century where values are much deteriorated, even mention of dharm is a taboo or a subject of ridicule, will such bhaashan-s sell to the current day audience? Wonder, as you want to cater to the audience interests. The next generation, in the name of forward thinking, will even question Lord Ram or His adherence to dharm, which was revered by the previous generation and discussed by the current generation. This is how it is, the current age. I am not saying it is right or wrong. It is just an observation. With this observation as the backing, how will such bhaashan-s be viewed? A total bore, and even insensible. How many of us would have told our parents not to give bhaashan-s, though we very well know that what they are saying is for our good. But just because, they do not say what we want to hear or what we believe in, they are viewed as giving bhaashan-s. With all due respect to a post of a friend of mine in another forum, where she had referred to the adherence of the promise by the hero at the cost of his life as a stinking promise'. I understand her sentiment well. I am only drawing your attention to the point stinking promise', which is what a promise maybe viewed in this century, based on how inconvenient it could be to one today, while the shows we are watching are from a period, where a promise is valued more than one's life. So, how will such values sell to the present day audience? Only like this, where it is not viewed worthy. In today's world, telling a lie is no big deal. We (in general) tell so many lies each day, still it never even strikes us that we have said a lie in fact. It has become a part of our life, to the extent, we casually lie to joke around. This is the worth of truth today. I remember a great one, asking a friend once so it costed you a lie to do this?'. When I heard this, it just blew me away for a moment. How much we have taken it for granted. We all know saying a lie is a sin and it does cost us - the Garuda Purana may enlighten us on how we are going to pay for it. Still, we indulge, without any qualms. This is the worth of dharma today. In such a selfish, worldy, forward-thinking world as today, one will be mocked at for practicing dharma, being truthful, being compassionate, being respectful to elders etc. etc., more so, when they put these values before their own interests. Simple, I remember a friend of mine laughing at me for following the traffic rules and waiting for the signal sincerely. If one does a beach walk for physical health not bothering about earning money in that one hour, we call him wise. But if one does spiritual practices for one's own mental health, we ridicule him. I remember when one person said that he is retiring from work for spiritual practices people around were shocked, but if he had said he is retiring to enjoy life sitting in his farm house, people would have understood and appreciated his wise decision! But let me also tell you, we are still truly awed also by the one who stands the ground of dharma even in trying times, that too in this trying age where belief in the system is gone with the wind - as it is something that is not possible by us. This is why, I suppose, these shows make the heros and heroines white, an ideal person.

Friends, if you are wondering why I am saying all this is, in today's context where dharma has lost its value, it may not sell and may be viewed impractical also by the viewers. While, dharma applies to all ages, really speaking. It is just a matter of faith and the grit to follow. So, coming to the shows, in my view, the person who preaches such dharma may not sell as well, which happen to be the heroines in most of these shows. Being one who has great regards for dharma, I am fine with the bhaashan-s per say, as they say the dharma which is the truth anyway, but I am not fine when they say irrelevant things or make others do insensible things in the name of dharma or any distorted perception of dharma.

As always, this also turned out to be a long post. But you should have been used to it by now. Thanks again for your patient hearing. Just wanted to share what I have been thinking. If it does not align with your views, please feel free to ignore it.

Note: A sincere request to anyone who may want to respond to this post to not bash any historical character as part of their response to respect the sentiments of all and adhering to the forum guidelines.

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Kaana,

The part in blue is spot on. It is exactly like the well known saying that courage is not the absence of fear, but the ability to master one's fear and soldier on.

As for this Chanakya, I do not think too much of either the casting or the character. I hear much praise of Manish Wadhwa's Chanakya in the recent Chandragupta Maurya, and seeing how good he is in Mahakumbh, I am not surprised. But for me, the definitive TV Chanakya is Chandraprakash Dwivedi in the 1990 serial Chanakya, now being retelecast on Doordarshan.

Chanakya would, to my mind, have been stern, withdrawn, a figure that inspires instant awe and some fear as well. Someone who radiates intelligence, who can dominated one and all without effort. Not someone who looks like a well fed pandit, and has to justify his actions, and his plans, in open court, as if he was a common amaatya.

I do agree that the best detectives look nothing like one but rather like bank clerks, and the best intelligence agents are mousy characters whom you would never notice. But this is the founder of the greatest empire India has ever seen, one of the most astute and subtle strategists and tacticians in world history, and this is NOT how I want him to look!

Overall, the serial is getting to be tiresomely melodramatic, with far too much time spent on Ashoka yearning for his mother, and there is far too much slo mo for his movements, with that ghastly Ashoka hai, Ashoka hai being dinned into one's ears. It is the worst theme piece I have ever heard for a historical serial so far.

The emperor is a typical TV serial male lead (for the present), who never knows ki uski nak je neeche kya kya khichdi pak rahi hai, and with no judgment of his near ones, all of whom are plotting against him to different degrees. Jalal in Jodha Akbar, Bindusara here, that is all the difference. The Queen Mother looks dessicated, and her son is tiresome, with his one expression fits all scenes, when he is not casting sly and entirely inappropriately pleased side glances at his matera.

But for young Siddharth, who made me watch it in the first place, and pay extra for the channel to boot - and he is being seriously under-utilised and made to show standard issue emotions for the most part, as anyone who has seen him as the young Rudra in Mahakumbh will agree - I would quit. If I wanted endless murderous intrigues, I would rather go back to the ancient I, Claudius, with Derek Jacoby!

Shyamala Aunty


This show should be in parts.

Pita ki khoj..

Maa ki Khoj..

Mir ki Dharma khoj

Dharma- Bindusar - Judai I

Dharma- Bindusar - Judai II

Ashok aur uske Mata Pita ka milan

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