Why does Aishwarya Rai look sad all the time? - Page 9

If you want to get defensive for Bachchan seniors then your choice. But their entire history shows they are a conservative family and Amitabh has several sexist statements to his credit in his interviews. I am not interested in listing it all.

Bachchans do support their daughter to show her and her in laws that she is not alone. Plenty of patriarchal men support their married daughters and sisters as they feel duty to show their protective moral support towards them.

Supporting your daughter does not mean you cannot be patriarchal.

Salman also supports his married sisters, former GFs, brothers in law but it does not mean he is not a male chauvinist.

If Bachchans were so progressive they would have encouraged Shweta to have some career and carve her own identity when she was young and not just married her off sooner. Shweta was kept away from media and TV appearances until that Rendezvous interview with Bachchan family around 2004.

I have not commented anywhere on Aishwarya Rai herself that you are saying 'she has always been mature'. And I have no idea where did 'kids telling lies' come up.

Yes all want to keep good relations with in laws but only ones with conservative in laws have to sideline or leave their careers. Kareena also keeps her MIL happy but her MIL does not prefer her not working nor meddles in her life or judges what Kareena wears or does on screen. That is because Sharmila herself did whatever she wanted even after marriage and her husband had no issues with it.

Madhuri seems to have supportive husband and in laws too, which is why she is active in showbiz. Meenakshi has no support from family for working in films which is why she once said she cannot make a comeback in films unless her husband and kids allow her.

You yourself repeated that point which Deols, Dutts used to justify why they did not think industry was right place for women.

Do you think an established and mature lady like Ash cannot take care of herself when she had already navigated through fashion and film industry despite predators out there? That she needs senior Bachchans to be 'protective' of her only now at this age? I am sure she knows the industry inside out. She is safer anyway as no one would dare to mess with Bachchan bahu at all.

Kareena, Vidya, Madhuri, Juhi etc all navigate through same industry. Their in laws do not stop them from working or restrict them in name of protecting them from predators in the industry.

If Bachchans, Kapoors, Deols etc think industry is not good for girls then why they married women from industry?

The affairs thing may have mattered less to Bachchans. They chose Karishma for Abhishek earlier despite her affairs. Even Abhishek himself had dated some women in past before marrying Ash.

Plus Amitabh may have desired a more well known woman to be son's wife just as he married Jaya who was more famous than him earlier and basked in her reflected glory, used her links and did films with her to keep his foot in the door despite flops. Given his son's own lack of success professionally, I am not surprised Bachchans usually chose women more accomplished and famous for their son. Abhishek would never be talked of at all if he married an unknown woman from a business class family or a non celeb family.

Bachchans have profited off a lot from Abhishek's alliance with Aishwarya and went to international shows and events through her. Otherwise there was no way Abhishek type flop guy would ever be invited to Cannes or Oprah show. Or even have his own fans.

Half the people who defend Abhishek or have sympathies for him online are actually fans of Amitabh, Jaya and Aishwarya who support him for sake of his family whose fans they originally are.

There was no way Abhishek would get several crores for Prestige or Lux ads if he did not do those ads with Ash. The double digit crores figures were due to Ash. Not for him.

As long as they profited off Ash's fame to keep promoting their son it was okay for them. When they saw that son was no way gonna make it as solo hero and even Ash was diminishing in popularity (failure of most films except Robot must have rung a bell) they stopped trying to milk that brand further.

I am not surprised Navya also did not do anything in showbiz yet. Aaradhya would not be encouraged either as long as grandparents are alive.

Nothing about Aishwarya here nor is it a personal attack on her. Bachchans are indeed conservative people and long track record of that nature. I do not see why anyone would still deny that despite their interviews and own patterns.

They even made Ash touch Abhishek's feet during a ceremony at their wedding. They made Ash do totke both before and after marriage and reportedly married her to a tree to ward off Manglik dosh.

That's what they are. And their family members simply obey.

I have no idea why those who call DIL "quiet, domesticated' and praise her for 'listening, standing BEHIND' even before wedding are still assumed to be 'not patriarchal and conservative'.

Amitabh made Jaya leave her work. He dominates her, Shweta in every interview and speaks over them. He has several sexist statements to his credit including gems like 'if you cannot stop rape then I guess you should just enjoy it'. Yet that man is not patriarchal?

LOL! He is what he is. And so is his wife. Products of their times perhaps.

I’m not talking in context of Aish regarding the industry not being good place for women. It’s more of a general statement and as parents, they have a right to be protective of their kids. That doesn’t mean they are suppressing or hurting them. Rekha didn’t let her sister enter the industry either. It’s not for everyone.

I agree the Amitabh - jaya dynamic is a weird one and he’s not a nice person. I’m not defending them.. By the way, amitabh’s father was a friend of my great grandfather and used to be frequent visitors. They aren’t that conservative and it’s not abnormal for people their age.Amitabh is problematic for sure, but I think Aish is a smart woman.

But it’s very pressumptious to assume that she has little control over her life. Being mature in the context means being diplomatic and getting what you want without spoiling the relationship; maintaining an “image” infront of elders. Most of us Indians have to do it all the time in society with relatives etc.

As for the lying part - I have always seen kids of conservative and domineering parents being more sneaky and getting their own way at the end - be it marriage or the kind of life they want to lead.

The thing is, we can draw a number of conclusions but we will never know what it’s like unless Aish herself speaks up.

They even made Ash touch Abhishek's feet during a ceremony at their wedding. They made Ash do totke both before and after marriage and reportedly married her to a tree to ward off Manglik dosh.

^^ Jeez, there’s nothing wrong in it if she doesn’t have an issue with it? Millions of Indians do this.

As for astrology, people don’t want to take any chances so leg them believe in things they want to.

If you have an issue with Kanyadan, don’t do it; if you like to do it - do it. But what’s the point of judging people for their religious beliefs/ customs?

I think once an actor had also admitted he never saw his mom's films as a kid because he could not see his mom with other men in films. This is mindset of most film clans where star sons also do not seem keen on celebrating legacy of their moms as actresses. I cannot recall which star son gave that interview...but it was a couple of years ago.

^^ I think it was Ranbir Kapoor.

Originally posted by: atominis

Yes she did. And did not speak to her husband and director of the film for days.

I love your line 'jiski biwi grumpy uska bhi bada naam hai'. 🤣

Apparently Jaya did not like to see her husband dressed as different types of women and doing those antics.

She found the song vulgar and 'unbecoming of Amitabh's stature as an actor'.

That song is ironically a superhit from Amitabh's career.

In Mumbai when my mom was in college, people used to sell half glass beverages as Jaya and full glass as Amitabh 🤣

Where did I mention kanyadaan here?

Please do not put words in my mouth.

It is both superstitious and sexist to do such totke. And while people have right to do what they want, they also have right to criticise or question as they want.

You can see enough criticism of Bachchans from 2006 and 2007 for promoting superstitions and their sexist statements and people used to feel bad how even a global achiever like Ash had to do such things.

No use arguing with only me for posting about that.

Have you ever seen any other family parading their daughters or DILs at temples or marrying them to trees or making them to totke publicly like Bachchans?

It was sad tamasha of how poor Ash's kundali was discussed openly on national television back then and astrologers, face readers, numerologists were called to discuss whether this marriage would work or not or what horoscope Ash has.

Her so called horoscope was blamed for Abhishek's failures and Amitabh's illness later.

Her in laws could have saved her that embarrassment by atleast doing totke privately and not publicly.

Sorry. Not 'millions' of Indians marry trees. This is exaggerated.

And ones who do or believe this much in totke or astrology are indeed conservative and superstitious. They have right to be superstitious though.

Ekta Kapoor and Govinda are also a joke for their totke and beliefs. There was some actress who also believed in black magic. Forgot her name. You think no one will criticise such stuff?

People criticise the totke and upay. No one has issues with religious belief or cultural stuff such as wearing sindoor or mangalsutra or keeping Karva chauth fast if Bachchans or anyone else does it.

Bachchans have whole different set of articles about babas they meet or consult. There is a story about some pots they have from a priest, to ensure fame for generations. Journal of Astrology has detail about it on their website.

Amitabh has been criticised for trying to portray himself as some role model while promoting superstitions instead of educating people against irrational superstitions.

Yes I thought it was him or Sanjay Dutt but was not sure.

Thanks for reminding me.

Amitabh was heavily criticised for his letter to Navya and omitting names of all female family members and ancestors when he wrote about legacy in that letter. You can find umpteen critiques of Amitabh's obviously patriarchal tweets, interviews and reports of his shouting at Jaya or dominating her or him being a pervert of sorts.

Good to know your relatives knew Bachchans.

I do not think everything is shown to everyone.

I never used the word 'lie' so I still do not know why we are discussing who lied to whom or 'has to lie' to whom.

I am not saying Ash has no control over her life but she certainly has less control over her life now compared to how much she had earlier or how much control other married actresses have over their lives now. And she may have begun to avoid limelight herself to ensure her husband gets less trolling, less comparisons due to her as she still got global awards while he was nowhere close to her stature professionally.

It is conservative expectation only to expect kids to make adjustments and leave their career or change their personality just to please elders. It is clear those elders do not offer freedom to kids to do whatever they want as adults. And kids feel pressure to conform and behave a certain way. It is sign of conservative patriarchal society only where a woman is supposed to downplay her identity, achievements, or leave her career after marriage and kids or a husband is trolled for being less successful than wife.

I see you perhaps know Bachchans which is why you feel defensive for them. But is it not evident that Kareena and Madhuri have way more freedom than Ash after marriage and kids? And how chill, supportive Sharmila is as an MIL than Jaya? Or how Twinkle is also active in her design business, writing and social media and is not off the radar despite doing no films?

Today Ash is not even doing ads for jewellery or watch brands as she did earlier. While others are still doing films, reality shows, or have their own radio show, YouTube channels, dance apps, active social media presence, or published books despite marriage and kids.

Even Shweta published her own book and replaced Ash in Kalyan ads.

Or look at Hema Malini who defied Dharam and did films, TV, stage performances, direction, production, joined politics and became editor of magazines despite marriage and kids and ultimately Dharam also joined politics following her and still campaigns for her at Mathura?

I did not mean to use names or compare here. Just wanted to illustrate that not all times do kids and families have to compromise or women have to step in shadows or leave work just to please in laws or avoid hurting anyone's egos in family.

It is unbelievable that a woman like Ash who was ambitious, mostly in limelight, had good PR and managed to make it abroad as well would suddenly not even do an ad?

I am sure she may have other reasons such as demise of her father, wanting to be more with her kid and mom, probably planning a second child etc or not satisfied with offers she gets now or she is not getting the fee she usually commands. But I just said influence of her in laws can also be a factor that can't be overlooked.

It is hard for Bachchan family fans to admit nature of the Sr Bachchan or his wife despite obvious signs of their patriarchal mindset or fans of Ash to believe she may be under pressure due to her in laws. Poor Ash fans have mostly been on defensive whenever controversies came up. Whether it was the upay and totke Bachchans made Ash do or Jaya fuming at scenes in Jodha Akbar, Dhoom 2 and ADHM.

Anyway I do not think Ash is a sad lady or looks sad. She looks fine for her age. She'll be active only in a limited way like her MIL professionally as long as her in laws are alive. I just hope personality wise she never ends up becoming like present day Jaya in public.

I guess because Aishwarya used to giggle, laugh and smile a lot more earlier which is why some people feel she perhaps laughs and smiles less in media interactions and public appearances now. That does not imply sadness in life.

I counted influence of in laws as just one factor of her doing less work or trying to blend in with their stoic persona in public appearances. I did not say her in laws are monsters who abuse her and control her each breath.

Anyway it is more likely that loss of her father affected her a lot in recent times. That can rightfully make anyone sad or irked at media and crowds wanting her to pose for pics in a certain way.

Ash is very close to her family and deserves time to grieve and heal after loss of her father.

Does not matter even if she does look sad in recent appearances in public or not as giggly as she was earlier.

Good luck to her and her family. She is a decent lady who's done good work and will be remembered even if she went entirely away from industry. She is gorgeous regardless of her mood, age or circumstances.

Originally posted by: atominis

If you want to get defensive for Bachchan seniors then your choice. But their entire history shows they are a conservative family and Amitabh has several sexist statements to his credit in his interviews. I am not interested in listing it all.

Bachchans do support their daughter to show her and her in laws that she is not alone. Plenty of patriarchal men support their married daughters and sisters as they feel duty to show their protective moral support towards them.

Supporting your daughter does not mean you cannot be patriarchal.

Salman also supports his married sisters, former GFs, brothers in law but it does not mean he is not a male chauvinist.

If Bachchans were so progressive they would have encouraged Shweta to have some career and carve her own identity when she was young and not just married her off sooner. Shweta was kept away from media and TV appearances until that Rendezvous interview with Bachchan family around 2004.

I have not commented anywhere on Aishwarya Rai herself that you are saying 'she has always been mature'. And I have no idea where did 'kids telling lies' come up.

Yes all want to keep good relations with in laws but only ones with conservative in laws have to sideline or leave their careers. Kareena also keeps her MIL happy but her MIL does not prefer her not working nor meddles in her life or judges what Kareena wears or does on screen. That is because Sharmila herself did whatever she wanted even after marriage and her husband had no issues with it.

Madhuri seems to have supportive husband and in laws too, which is why she is active in showbiz. Meenakshi has no support from family for working in films which is why she once said she cannot make a comeback in films unless her husband and kids allow her.

You yourself repeated that point which Deols, Dutts used to justify why they did not think industry was right place for women.

Do you think an established and mature lady like Ash cannot take care of herself when she had already navigated through fashion and film industry despite predators out there? That she needs senior Bachchans to be 'protective' of her only now at this age? I am sure she knows the industry inside out. She is safer anyway as no one would dare to mess with Bachchan bahu at all.

Kareena, Vidya, Madhuri, Juhi etc all navigate through same industry. Their in laws do not stop them from working or restrict them in name of protecting them from predators in the industry.

If Bachchans, Kapoors, Deols etc think industry is not good for girls then why they married women from industry?

The affairs thing may have mattered less to Bachchans. They chose Karishma for Abhishek earlier despite her affairs. Even Abhishek himself had dated some women in past before marrying Ash.

Plus Amitabh may have desired a more well known woman to be son's wife just as he married Jaya who was more famous than him earlier and basked in her reflected glory, used her links and did films with her to keep his foot in the door despite flops. Given his son's own lack of success professionally, I am not surprised Bachchans usually chose women more accomplished and famous for their son. Abhishek would never be talked of at all if he married an unknown woman from a business class family or a non celeb family.

Bachchans have profited off a lot from Abhishek's alliance with Aishwarya and went to international shows and events through her. Otherwise there was no way Abhishek type flop guy would ever be invited to Cannes or Oprah show. Or even have his own fans.

Half the people who defend Abhishek or have sympathies for him online are actually fans of Amitabh, Jaya and Aishwarya who support him for sake of his family whose fans they originally are.

There was no way Abhishek would get several crores for Prestige or Lux ads if he did not do those ads with Ash. The double digit crores figures were due to Ash. Not for him.

As long as they profited off Ash's fame to keep promoting their son it was okay for them. When they saw that son was no way gonna make it as solo hero and even Ash was diminishing in popularity (failure of most films except Robot must have rung a bell) they stopped trying to milk that brand further.

I am not surprised Navya also did not do anything in showbiz yet. Aaradhya would not be encouraged either as long as grandparents are alive.

Nothing about Aishwarya here nor is it a personal attack on her. Bachchans are indeed conservative people and long track record of that nature. I do not see why anyone would still deny that despite their interviews and own patterns.

They even made Ash touch Abhishek's feet during a ceremony at their wedding. They made Ash do totke both before and after marriage and reportedly married her to a tree to ward off Manglik dosh.

That's what they are. And their family members simply obey.

I have no idea why those who call DIL "quiet, domesticated' and praise her for 'listening, standing BEHIND' even before wedding are still assumed to be 'not patriarchal and conservative'.

Amitabh made Jaya leave her work. He dominates her, Shweta in every interview and speaks over them. He has several sexist statements to his credit including gems like 'if you cannot stop rape then I guess you should just enjoy it'. Yet that man is not patriarchal?

LOL! He is what he is. And so is his wife. Products of their times perhaps.

Shweta seems very close to her father than mother.

Her career was due to her husband's family who she got married into. Abhi toh kaafi socialize karti hai kuch din pehle KBC mein bhi dekha tha usko

I think Amitabh Bachhan is just a horrible human being. I don’t think it has genuinely anything to do with being patriarchal or misogynistic in general. I think he pretends to be that for some reason. Hes just a despicable human being in general who likes to dominate/ control others. People seem to forget the hate speech he gave against Sikhs years ago .He is just a selfish person. Jaya sucks up to him cuz she likes to please him.

Abhishek seems like a nice person tbh. Hats off to Jaya for it.

There is nothing wrong in doing things where you have nothing to loose and it makes others happy/ relieved.

As for Totka, that Manglik thing it’s not a totka and it actually works.Manglik people can’t be dominated anyways 😆

I think it’s more to do with what her priorities are than her in laws. I’m sure she is capable of handling them if she wants to.