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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: -FreeLancer-

Dont really care whether they are a product of Nepotism or outsiders, as long as they are talented.


At the end of the day, audience has rejected below average maal like Uday Chopra, Eisha Deol and countless others..even Abhishek - even though he has carried a movie like Guru so well on his shoulders, does not get as many offers or isnt an audience darling, just because he is a Bachchan.


If you have talent and right attitude towards the job, you will sustain..otherwise you will perish. and I will be honest, things are not as bad for outsiders as its made out to be, specially after OTT platform has arrived on the scene, maybe they dont get a chance on celluloid..but they are definitely getting opportunities now to come on OTT - where they actually have a much wider audience and are able to deliver to the classes.


Yet the list of "nepotism products" entering the OTT space seems endless:

Anil Kapoor

Sanjay Dutt

Saif Ali Khan

Karisma Kapoor

Kajol

Raveena Tandon

Tabu

Abhishek Bachchan

Vivek Oberoi

Sonam Kapoor

Soha Ali Khan

Aditya Roy Kapoor

Prateik Babbar

Sikandar Kher

Sonakshi Sinha

Parineeti Chopra

Alia Bhatt

Kiara Advani

Ishaan Khatter

Imaad Shah

Vivaan Shah

Janhvi Kapoor

Sara Ali Khan

Ananya Panday

Imaad Shah

Shruti Haasan

Akshara Haasan

Masaba Gupta

Tanuj Virwani

Ashmit Patel

Shamita Shetty

Yami Gautam

...

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: Rekha_ji


[side note: as a rule I have never shared a photo of Taimur or any star-baby. I rarely clicked on a photo by a paparazzi of someone coming out of a gym and certainly never shared such a pic if I came across it. I know how the game works. I don't want to contribute to it. I know one person doing this versus 1000s clicking will make zero difference but it's my personal choice]


I don't know what he looks like. Found all the rage disturbing. N at the same time, I am not even interested.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: Rekha_ji


Yet the list of "nepotism products" entering the OTT space seems endless:

Anil Kapoor

Sanjay Dutt

Saif Ali Khan

Karisma Kapoor

Kajol

Raveena Tandon

Tabu

Abhishek Bachchan

Vivek Oberoi

Sonam Kapoor

Soha Ali Khan

Aditya Roy Kapoor

Prateik Babbar

Sikandar Kher

Sonakshi Sinha

Parineeti Chopra

Alia Bhatt

Kiara Advani

Ishaan Khatter

Imaad Shah

Vivaan Shah

Janhvi Kapoor

Sara Ali Khan

Ananya Panday

Imaad Shah

Shruti Haasan

Akshara Haasan

Masaba Gupta

Tanuj Virwani

Ashmit Patel

Shamita Shetty

Yami Gautam

...


Well I really did like a lot of the above in OTT space - Masaba for eg - such a natural and so spunky on screen. Prateik, Kajol etc are we saying that they are not talented, just because they are nepo kids?


I would rather watch Talented insiders than talentless outsiders.. I am not going to hate on them just because they are born, where they are


and when did Pari become a product of nepotism?? I am pretty sure PC did nothing to advance Pari in BW..anyway even she has lost her acting skills..even though she held more promise than Alia.


It really comes down to being serious about the craft. Now a Shanaya or Suhana dont look serious about their craft by a distance - some are just it in for the glamour and fame..them I dont respect

Edited by -FreeLancer- - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: -FreeLancer-


Well I really did like a lot of the above in OTT space - Masaba for eg - such a natural and so spunky on screen. Prateik, Kajol etc are we saying that they are not talented, just because they are nepo kids?


I would rather watch Talented insiders than talentless outsiders.. I am not going to hate on them just because they are born, where they are


and when did Pari become a product of nepotism?? I am pretty sure PC did nothing to advance Pari in BW..anyway even she has lost her acting skills..even though she held more promise than Alia.


It really comes down to being serious about the craft. Now a Shanaya or Suhana dont look serious about their craft by a distance - some are just it in for the glamour and fame..them I dont respect

Yeah what’s wrong with Parineeti? She used to be so good but her recent movies she has lost her charmed and her shine.

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Posted: 4 years ago

There should be a good balance of Nepotism and outside talent. When one is talented then he or she are not supposed to be spurned by the industry just because he is connected. When one is talented then that person is also not supposed to be spurned just because he is not from inside the industry.

Of course insider will have it easier, better access, better connections, better exposure, and people know them already because of their parents’ success. But doesn’t mean that all doors are closed to outsider!

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Posted: 4 years ago

Those are some really good points Minty 👍🏼

This is my take on the whole Bollywood nepotism situation:

First of all it DOES exist. And it is rampant. I don't think that is even up for debate tbh.

However, another thing I know for a fact that nepotism is also rampant in various educational institutions, companies, even some schools and hospitals in India. Those who get extremely angry/uncomfortable at the mere thought of India banning "employee quotas" and "donations" in universities or "recommendations" for corporate jobs but rant against nepotism in Bollywood need to do some serious self reflection. Because they can't have it both ways. These people need to realise that it's pure hypocrisy of the worst kind to rally against the nepotism that benefits the upper class at the expense of the middle class, but fiercely defend the types of nepotism that mostly benefit the middle classes at the expense of the working classes.

But sadly it's highly unlikely the government would want to risk losing swathes of middle class voters by cracking down on nepotism. And the opposition would never bring up this subject in a million years, as their own party is probably the biggest bastion of nepotism in the whole of South Asia.

So yes Bollywood does have a nepotism problem, and so does India.


BUT-

The commonality of nepotism in other areas outside Bollywood does not in any way justify the situation we have there today. Pointing fingers at examples of middle class people also using nepotism doesn't prove that Karan Johar isn't doing anything wrong- it just proves that Sharma Uncle is also doing wrong 😆.

How can some of these big production houses justify not launching a SINGLE outsider in a lead role in over a decade?? And to think those are the slightly better ones... In it's 23 years of existing, Dharma Productions has launched but two outsiders in a lead roles, Siddharth Malhotra and Tara Sutaria. SLB Productions seems to have a policy of only taking established stars, but of course they made an exception back in 2007 for star-kids Ranbir and Sonam when they were launched with the typically high-budget Saawariya...

Nepotism has progressively got worse over the past couple of decades too- starting with the 40s right through to the early 00s, it was very common for big production houses to conduct auditions that were open to all members of the public, and launch newcomers from middle class or even working class backgrounds...

The fact that no specialised qualifications are required to become an actor has made nepotism reach another kind of level in today's Bollywood, one much higher than those of most other types of nepotism in India.

And this will carry on as long as we the audiences take it. The only solution to this problem is like Minty and some others on this thread have said: stop hyping up sub-par nepotism products. Stop paying to watch films launching 2-3 nepo kids with no important roles for outsiders. Stop fawning over talentless indiviaduals because of who their aprents/grandparents/siblings are. Start paying to watch movies starring outsiders as leads. Start appreciating good performances from outsiders. When film makers see that the audience want to see talented outsiders on screen, they will start casting them more. We have more power in this than most of them would like to acknowledge, and this is how we use it.

And one more thing- stop practicing and defending nepotism in other areas of life yourselves.

Edited by Anjalika01 - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: -FreeLancer-

I would rather watch Talented insiders than talentless outsiders.. I am not going to hate on them just because they are born, where they are


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Edited by Koviljika34 - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago


I stand by a lot of people suck and whine when they fail 😆


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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: Anjalika01

Those are some really good points Minty 👍🏼

This is my take on the whole Bollywood nepotism situation:

First of all it DOES exist. And it is rampant. I don't think that is even up for debate tbh.

However, another thing I know for a fact that nepotism is also rampant in various educational institutions, companies, even some schools and hospitals in India. Those who get extremely angry/uncomfortable at the mere thought of India banning "employee quotas" and "donations" in universities or "recommendations" for corporate jobs but rant against nepotism in Bollywood need to do some serious self reflection. Because they can't have it both ways. These people need to realise that it's pure hypocrisy of the worst kind to rally against the nepotism that benefits the upper class at the expense of the middle class, but fiercely defend the types of nepotism that mostly benefit the middle classes at the expense of the working classes.

But sadly it's highly unlikely the government would want to risk losing swathes of middle class voters by cracking down on nepotism. And the opposition would never bring up this subject in a million years, as their own party is probably the biggest bastion of nepotism in the whole of South Asia.

So yes Bollywood does have a nepotism problem, and so does India.


BUT-

The commonality of nepotism in other areas outside Bollywood does not in any way justify the situation we have there today. Pointing fingers at examples of middle class people also using nepotism doesn't prove that Karan Johar isn't doing anything wrong- it just proves that Sharma Uncle is also doing wrong 😆.

How can some of these big production houses justify not launching a SINGLE outsider in a lead role in over a decade?? And to think those are the slightly better ones... In it's 23 years of existing, Dharma Productions has launched but two outsiders in a lead roles, Siddharth Malhotra and Tara Sutaria. SLB Productions seems to have a policy of only taking established stars, but of course they made an exception back in 2007 for star-kids Ranbir and Sonam when they were launched with the typically high-budget Saawariya...

Nepotism has progressively got worse over the past couple of decades too- starting with the 40s right through to the early 00s, it was very common for big production houses to conduct auditions that were open to all members of the public, and launch newcomers from middle class or even working class backgrounds...

The fact that no specialised qualifications are required to become an actor has made nepotism reach another kind of level in today's Bollywood, one much higher than those of most other types of nepotism in India.

And this will carry on as long as we the audiences take it. The only solution to this problem is like Minty and some others on this thread have said: stop hyping up sub-par nepotism products. Stop paying to watch films launching 2-3 nepo kids with no important roles for outsiders. Stop fawning over talentless indiviaduals because of who their aprents/grandparents/siblings are. Start paying to watch movies starring outsiders as leads. Start appreciating good performances from outsiders. When film makers see that the audience want to see talented outsiders on screen, they will start casting them more. We have more power in this than most of them would like to acknowledge, and this is how we use it.

And one more thing- stop practicing and defending nepotism in other areas of life yourselves.


Amazing Anjalika👍🏼


You write so well and clearly. I love reading your posts. I completely agree with each and every word you articulated.

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Posted: 4 years ago

Originally posted by: mintyblue


Amazing Anjalika👍🏼


You write so well and clearly. I love reading your posts. I completely agree with each and every word you articulated.

Thank you so much Minty! 🤗

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