How is Aishwarya Rai rated so highly here? - Page 6

Originally posted by: mintyblue

Grumpy, for the first time I don't agree with you.

See these two scenes and I think you will see what I'm talking about. Ash is screechy and over-the-top. Deepika is nuanced and balanced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79XZlueFjw&t=99s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPp1w0t5LXA&t=82s

She was suppose to be crying and be screaming here. Her character was a bit of an immature spoilt brat. I actually find her great. DP would have struggled that is why SLB keeps her acting to the minimal. She was there to look pretty in Padamavat. No major crying scenes in Bajaro. She has grace like Aish to play period characters though.

Originally posted by: blUeNoSed

Well personally no one I have met has ever rated Ash poorly as an actress, and deservedly so. It's only in this forum that I saw people saying that, same with Deepika as well.

She is inconsistent, but when she is good she is among the best. Guzaarish for me warrants as among the best female performances I have ever seen in any language. I remember the monologue she had in court scene, wow it blew my mind. She has this unmistakable star quality and undeniable, unshakable screen presence, which is absolutely null these days.

Kareena is a terrible actress, and only will be appreciated in the low standards of hindi cinema. Aish is a hundred miles and back better than her for sure. Infact I don't think it is even a comparison. With Deepika, I think Ash and Deepika are fit for very different kinds of roles, and do very well in them. Would rate Ash slightly higher.

When it comes to HDDCS, I think it is perfectly in sync with the tone and pitch of the movie. She would be out of place and ineffective if it wasn't. Same with Devdas (which I consider a great and better performance). Like take this scene, so much power and anguish in her eyes

https://youtu.be/z4OhekP0acA

Now I think how much sad is this. How can he hurt her and call that "Pyar ki nishani" bull shit

Originally posted by: grumpydwarf

She was suppose to be crying and be screaming here. Her character was a bit of an immature spoilt brat. I actually find her great. DP would have struggled that is why SLB keeps her acting to the minimal. She was there to look pretty in Padamavat. No major crying scenes in Bajaro. She has grace like Aish to play period characters though.

Yupp. Grace is what missing in miss "Nepo Nepo"

Originally posted by: TMKOC_MY

Yupp. Grace is what missing in miss "Nepo Nepo"

Tons of it. She could never go Paro, Mastani, or even a Parineeta.

Originally posted by: mintyblue

Acc. to me her acting in movies like Lafangey Parindey, Cokctail, Piku, Tamasha, YJHD, Ram-Leela and Chapaak are amazing.

Aishwarya's only amazing perf. is Raincoat.

So Deepika>>>>Aishwarya

LMAO. Ram Leela was one the most cringe-inducing adaptation of Romeo Juliet that I've seen partially because of the ham-fest of Ranveer and Deepika. Even Ishaqzaade was a better depiction on a fraction of the budget with newbie actors.

Everything else you mentioned were sub-par performances. She was only good in Piku. But Piku had a stellar star cast. Deepika's performance alone did not make that film what it was.

Originally posted by: ponymo

Minty's nth attempt at getting Ash bashed 😆

In real life, everyone I encountered finds her a good actress (with one or two exceptions). Her films Jodhaa Akbar, Guru, HDDCS, Devdas, Raincoat, Taal, Guzaarish etc. are universally loved and still talked about. Not to mention her South Indian and Bengali films where she has done her best work.

She's easily a better actress than Kareena and Deepika. She's miles better. With Madhuri it's debatable. However, I find Madhuri more of a dancer but as an actress she's about average. Ash has certainly delivered better performances over the years.

Ash is still no Tabu or Vidya for sure. But she's consistently shown a knack for delivering excellent performances under a good director.

Well if you will notice something among the movies that you have mentioned here is that Aish needs a very well etched character to show her acting prowess. She can't play vanilla, real life roles. She fails in them miserably while Deepika can do those types very easily like Piku, YJHD.

Coming to the SLB movies of DP, she is I guess the best among the current available lot to do those kind of movies. Aish has more femininity in her for sure while she dances in comparison to Deepika.

DP' mastani was horrible but her Naina/PIKU is terrific. It looks easy but Aish can't do that.

Similarly DP can't come closer to what Aish achieved in Raincoat, Devdas.

Still have to see Taal and Guzarish.

Originally posted by: TMKOC_MY

Well if you will notice something among the movies that you have mentioned here is that Aish needs a very well etched character to show her acting prowess. She can't play vanilla, real life roles. She fails in them miserably while Deepika can do those types very easily like Piku, YJHD.

Coming to the SLB movies of DP, she is I guess the best among the current available lot to do those kind of movies. Aish has more femininity in her for sure while she dances in comparison to Deepika.

DP' mastani was horrible but her Naina/PIKU is terrific. It looks easy but Aish can't do that.

Similarly DP can't come closer to what Aish achieved in Raincoat, Devdas.

Still have to see Taal and Guzarish.

You should see Choker Bali. Many praised her performance there. Again no fancy costumes and no elaborate sets. Just good acting and writing. The director of raincoat and chokar bali stated her performance in Hum Dil convinced him she was capable of handling both roles aptly.

That being said Jazba and Sarabjit where two terrible decisions. I hope she choses more wisely in the future.

Originally posted by: Cookies..

LMAO. Ram Leela was one the most cringe-inducing adaptation of Romeo Juliet that I've seen partially because of the ham-fest of Ranveer and Deepika. Even Ishaqzaade was a better depiction on a fraction of the budget with newbie actors.

I agree with the adaptation part.But Deepika was a revelation as Leela.It’s bcoz the movie is so OTT that her performance also gets passed as hamfest.I personally would put Leela amongst her top 3 performance.Not trying to convince you just an opinion.😊

Mastani n Padmavat was def a let down but as Leela I found her really good.

Originally posted by: TMKOC_MY

Well if you will notice something among the movies that you have mentioned here is that Aish needs a very well etched character to show her acting prowess. She can't play vanilla, real life roles. She fails in them miserably while Deepika can do those types very easily like Piku, YJHD.

Coming to the SLB movies of DP, she is I guess the best among the current available lot to do those kind of movies. Aish has more femininity in her for sure while she dances in comparison to Deepika.

DP' mastani was horrible but her Naina/PIKU is terrific. It looks easy but Aish can't do that.

Similarly DP can't come closer to what Aish achieved in Raincoat, Devdas.

Still have to see Taal and Guzarish.

@Bold: She played real life roles in Guru (village belle Sujata), real life character Kiranjeet Ahluwalia, as the battered housewife in Provoked, a girl next door in Kandukondain, a rape survivor in Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai, a regular, uneducated wife in Iruvar. And the part in Taal before she attains super-stardom, yet another simple, village belle. A depressed housewife in Raincoat, her most acclaimed role to date.

It's not always those larger than life character she essayed like those in Bhansali films or Shankar films or period sagas like Jodhaa Akbar, Chokher Bali., even though she is most famous for those roles. Them and of course, the glamorous ones like Taal (second half), Dhoom 2, Khakee, Kajra Re, etc.

So I would actually beg to differ that she cannot play regular, real life characters. Her filmography shows quite the opposite, actually. However, I do agree that comedy as a genre is not hers. It doesn't come to her naturally, and to her credit, neither has she attempted it much throughout her career.

But dramas, period films, romance. She really nails these genres.

Deepika is completely deadpan in dramas, except one or two exceptions. Bhansali films showcase her limitations in the most elaborate way. The way she butchered Mastani and Padmavati... like you really have to lack certain acting chops to do that. And remember, it's the same director who extracted HDDCS, Devdas and Guzaarish out of Ash, but couldn't repeat the magic with Deepika. It's not that he was suddenly lacking, look what he made Ranveer and Priyanka do. He was successful in making him perform, but not Deepika.

She is better in easy breezy roles like in Cocktail, YJHD, and Chennai Express for sure. I enjoyed her in those movies. But the serious roles, they are just not her cup of tea. Also, she was not always good in those light roles. She did several of those before Cocktail, none of them worked. It took her five years to reach there. With Ash, in just her second year and third film, she sweeped the Best actress with HDDCS and Taal.

Sure, both have their own strengths and weaknesses, but all in all, Ash is leagues ahead of Deepika in most departments.

Originally posted by: ponymo

She played real life roles in Guru (village belle Sujata), real life character Kiranjeet Ahluwalia in Provoked, a regular girl next door in Kandukondain, a rape survivor in Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai, a regular wife in Iruvar. And the part in Taal before she attains super-stardom, yet another simple, village belle. A depressed housewife in Raincoat, her most acclaimed role to date.

It's not always those larger than life character she essayed like those in Bhansali films or Shankar films or period sagas like Jodhaa Akbar, Chokher Bali., even though she is most famous for those roles. That and the glamorous ones like Taal (second half), Dhoom 2, Khakee, Kajra Re, etc.

So I would actually beg to differ. However, I do agree that comedy as a genre is not hers. It doesn't come to her naturally, and to her credit, neither has she attempted it much throughout her career.

But dramas, period films, romance. She really nails these genres.

Deepika is completely deadpan in dramas, except one or two exceptions. Bhansali films showcase her limitations in the most elaborate way. The way she butchered Mastani and Padmavati... like you really have to lack certain acting chops to do that. And remember, it's the same director who extracted HDDCS, Devdas and Guzaarish out of Ash, but couldn't repeat the magic with Deepika. It's not that he was suddenly lacking, look what he made Ranveer do. He was successful in making him perform, but not Deepika.

She is better in easy breezy roles like in Cocktail, YJHD, and Chennai Express for sure. I enjoyed her in those movies. But the serious roles, they are just not her cup of tea. Also, she was not always good in those light roles. She did several of those before Cocktail, none of them worked. It took her five years to reach there. With Ash, in just her second year and third film, she sweeped the Best actress with HDDCS and Taal.

Sure, both have their own strengths and weaknesses, but all in all, Ash is leagues ahead of Deepika in most departments.

That is what I was trying to convey, she can't play a character without a bg story. she looks fake in those (many of her movies with Govinda, Bobby , akshay etc.) might be because of her beauty. She is too beautiful to be a plain jane. idk

I agree with most of the points you mentioned. I actually deleted Desi Boyz after seeing the first scene with Deepika, her dialogue delivery was horrible and she has improved a lot.

But calling Aish being leaugues ahead is exaggeration TO ME. If that was the case in reality, she would have been compared with Vidya, Rani, Shabana etc.