Jimmy Shergill -Such a sensible take on Nepotism.. - Page 5

I don't agree with the corporate world analogy. If you leave one job, you go get another. There are hundreds of companies. Sure, some are high-paying, some not. Some are premiere product companies. Others aren't.

But there is only one movie industry per language in India. There is only one Bollywood. Here the corporate company is not Bollywood (because well, that would make Bollywood the only company ) . If a film project is the equivalent of a corporate company, then outsiders are potential employees whose offer letters are an open secret and rescinded at the last moment because a board member of some bigger organization wants to push their candidates in return for funding. The outsiders can of course keep trying to get jobs in other film projects (companies) but since some board members in this corporate umbrella know everything that is happening and keep strong arming people out, it is an uphill task for some to get the best offers or projects . Oh, the board members also control the newsletters - especially the gossip columns which is read by employees associated with all the companies within this corporate umbrella of Bollywood.

And oh, the board members also control who get the Employee of the year award. And maybe who emcees the event too. And who gets invites for the after-parties for such events too.

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

Not just corporate world. I work in a shelter and meet people from not for profits all the time. Often times these NFPs are handed down to the sons or daughters. But they can't just keep getting by without good ethics, morals, etc.

The entertainment business is the only place where such nepotism works. I remember watching an episode of CSI NY a couple of days ago. In it Don Flack gets his sister a job in the NYC press team and says "sometimes nepotism is good". He's right. If you have the privilege, use it. But BW is like use it and keep using it even if you stink.

Bold - How so can you explain with an example? In my post i explained that its easier for an untalented person to survive in a corporate environment than it is in movie industry. In corporate world if you are in a talented team your flaws can get hidden but if you are a terrible actor it clearly comes on the screen. It can't be hidden. Let me give an example Reliance industry got divided between Mukesh and Anil Ambani. Why? Simple because they were son's of the boss. Despite that Mukesh proved his talent and took Relaince to great heights whereas Anil couldn't . Most of his businesses suffered loss. Result he is still Anil Ambani and still runs his businesses compare that to Abhishek .Where is he in movie industry ? No where. He failed whereas Anil Ambani despite all his incompetence is still running his business. Like i said its easier to survive in corporate world than Bollywood if you are untalented. Bollywodd is harsh and has no place for person who is not talented enough to bring in the business. Even Yash chopra never made move with his son after he had failed. So even father can reject a son in Bollywood if son fails to get the required business.In Bollywood audience holds ultimate power, if audience doesn't like you whether you are an insider or outsider it doesn't matter you will fail.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

if audience doesn't like you whether you are an insider or outsider it doesn't matter you will fail.

The problem is alot of people suck and whine when they fail 😆

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

In corporate world son will get a chance not once but for many years because corporate world is not a one man job.For example if you may be a pathetic manager but if you have s good team your project can still be successful. But in a movie if you are a pathetic actor no one can hide that weakness it will be there for all audience to see. An untalented person can survive in corporate world for long by being in a team of talented people since it’s a team job . I mean people won’t even come to know that he is untalented. But if you are an untalented actor it will be clear from the 1st movie. In fact it’s worse in corporates world, for example if i make someone hire my sister in a company and my sister is untalented it’s company’s money and resources that I am wasting not my own. So I can go on doing it. But in Bollywood if KJO or some one plans to take star kids then it’s their own money that they are investing not any one else’s. If movie flops they bear the loss not any one less. In corporate world it’s some one else’s loss in movie world it’s their own loss.

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In the Corporate world you can survive your whole life even if you are pathetic. I personally know people who have 20 + years of experience working in a company and are still pathetic at their job. If one company fires you, you can always find another job. If your friend or son or brother or sister gets fired for being incompetent you are still going to recommend or refer them to others to help them get another job. Heck you may still pass on their resume to your own HR even though you know they were fired from their previous company. At the end of the day it's not your money. Even if it is your money and your own company, you can always hire others to actually do the heavy lifting while the untalented person can just tag along.

The movie business is different. People are investing their own money on you and if you don't give them any returns, then at some point they will stop investing on you. It's a business not a Non-Profit Charity. If we have to compare the technicians working in a movie are like the employees of a company, they work in a group and are behind the scenes and their faults can be hidden. However, the actors are like the product that the company sells. If the product is bad everyone will know. You can't hide that fact. If the product fails and no one is buying it, you are going to stop manufacturing and selling that product at some point. Similarly if an actor is bad or I should unsuccessful (because success is not necessarily equal to best actor) and is unable to give hits, the producers will eventually stop making movies with that actor.

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

The movie business is different. People are investing their own money on you and if you don't give them any returns, then at some point they will stop investing on you. It's a business not a Non-Profit Charity.

Really im shocked 😆😆

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold - How so can you explain with an example? In my post i explained that its easier for an untalented person to survive in a corporate environment than it is in movie industry. In corporate world if you are in a talented team your flaws can get hidden but if you are a terrible actor it clearly comes on the screen. It can't be hidden. Let me give an example Reliance industry got divided between Mukesh and Anil Ambani. Why? Simple because they were son's of the boss. Despite that Mukesh proved his talent and took Relaince to great heights whereas Anil couldn't . Most of his businesses suffered loss. Result he is still Anil Ambani and still runs his businesses compare that to Abhishek .Where is he in movie industry ? No where. He failed whereas Anil Ambani despite all his incompetence is still running his business. Like i said its easier to survive in corporate world than Bollywood if you are untalented. Bollywodd is harsh and has no place for person who is not talented enough to bring in the business. Even Yash chopra never made move with his son after he had failed. So even father can reject a son in Bollywood if son fails to get the required business.In Bollywood audience holds ultimate power, if audience doesn't like you whether you are an insider or outsider it doesn't matter you will fail.

Maybe it's about countries then. Here in Canada I can give one big example. During university I did an internship at a big bank. My boss was the CEO's nephew. He had been there for 4 years and was incompetent. I was working there for the first time and I could see it. During my 8 month internship I saw my boss get 3 chances to prove himself. And they weren't small chances. He potentially screwed up a $10 million loan. He finally got fired. Back in February I met him after over 10 years. After being fired he never got into a big bank. People talk and the industry is small enough that news travelled. He now works as a travel agent.

In the entertainment industry look at the likes of Arjun Kapoor, Sonam Kapoor, Athiya Shetty, Jhanvi Kapoor, Ananya Pandey, Tiger Shroff, etc. The audience often doesn't give them enough attention and yet they are still front runners for movies. What made Aushutosh Gowarikar give Arjun Kapoor a movie? He calls it his own choice. Seriously? That was his choice? How about Sonam Kapoor? That girl has categorically proven that she cannot act, cannot think, and is tone deaf. Yet she is still in the "top league". Are you trying to suggest that audience has kept these nepo kids forefront over actors like Rajkummar Rao, Ayushmann Khurana, SSR, Kangana Ranaut (even though I can't stand her offscreen), Taapsee Pannu, etc.?

Originally posted by: ProfMcGonagall

Maybe it's about countries then. Here in Canada I can give one big example. During university I did an internship at a big bank. My boss was the CEO's nephew. He had been there for 4 years and was incompetent. I was working there for the first time and I could see it. During my 8 month internship I saw my boss get 3 chances to prove himself. And they weren't small chances. He potentially screwed up a $10 million loan. He finally got fired. Back in February I met him after over 10 years. After being fired he never got into a big bank. People talk and the industry is small enough that news travelled. He now works as a travel agent.

In the entertainment industry look at the likes of Arjun Kapoor, Sonam Kapoor, Athiya Shetty, Jhanvi Kapoor, Ananya Pandey, Tiger Shroff, etc. The audience often doesn't give them enough attention and yet they are still front runners for movies. What made Aushutosh Gowarikar give Arjun Kapoor a movie? He calls it his own choice. Seriously? That was his choice? How about Sonam Kapoor? That girl has categorically proven that she cannot act, cannot think, and is tone deaf. Yet she is still in the "top league". Are you trying to suggest that audience has kept these nepo kids forefront over actors like Rajkummar Rao, Ayushmann Khurana, SSR, Kangana Ranaut (even though I can't stand her offscreen), Taapsee Pannu, etc.?

Tiger Shroff has a good box office record

Ayushman is not forefront ?? He is like top 5 right now

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

Really im shocked 😆😆

People here seem to implying that Producers are just handing out films to "Insiders" like candy being handed out during Halloween, while the poor "Outsiders" have to make do with the wrappers. It's not as black and white as that. Just pointing out the obvious. 🤔

Originally posted by: sweetshruti

People here seem to implying that Producers are just handing out films to "Insiders" like candy being handed out during Halloween, while the poor "Outsiders" have to make do with the wrappers. It's not as black and white as that. Just pointing out the obvious. 🤔

I know one guy in south who wanted to be cast just opposite one girl so the chances of him getting with her would be high. Thats manipulation of Love 😆

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

Just because its not visible to the naked eye doesn't mean its not everywhere.....everything that happens in BW is loud unlike what happens in hush tones in a big corporate..

The point that Jimmy is trying to make...that trying to pinpoint the blame on a few in BW as a solution to nepotism ....is like applying band aid to the wound that requires surgery and stiches......nepotism is a systemic problem...which will take more than bashing a bunch of BW bigwigs and nepo kids......

The situation has become so ridiculous that now even the nepo kids and industry insiders who are a product of nepotism themselves and have failed are showing themselves as victims....like....OMG...that nepo kid got more chances than me...so I am a victim of nepotism.....u know the outcry is not working when the beneficiaries of a corrupt system start portraying themselves as victims...

That is why it is important to not witch hunt but to go about it systematically.....u can see the KJo in BW...there are several other KJos in every corporate....who are not visible to u...because hey...they don't have a KWK which airs before millions of people...but what they do happens in the meeting room and closed door offices,,,

and somewhere I read that nepotism being compared to casting couches?? I mean this comparison is ridiculous AF...and should be unacceptable....asking for sexual favors from someone because u r in power is a crime.....nepotism may be morally wrong...but not a crime...a father can still make a movie for his son....without giving chance to others...not a crime....

people should avoid going to these ridiculous comparisons as this only dilutes the case of nepotism debate.

This !

and why should any head honcho of other industries hosts bitchfest tv show like KWK. Bhai :? Kjo belongs to entertainment industry hence he hosts his show on TV ..as simple..why this entertainment industry compared to other industry where it is not visible to us is beyond me...such a ridiculous comparisons people are giving ...matlab kuch bhi...duh