Jimmy Shergill -Such a sensible take on Nepotism.. - Page 3

Lemme say I am not surprised that you founded this as most sensible take until now 😆

Originally posted by: S_H_Y

Lemme say I am not surprised that you founded this as most sensible take until now 😆

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Originally posted by: big4accountant

I don't think there is anything quite like it. The whole "it happens everywhere" so just suck it up and move on, is the most defeatist thing I've ever heard. I am actually astonished that so many people think like that. 🤔

Originally posted by: Bulbbul_Pandey

in the corporate world if a CEO hires his/her unqualified offspring after interviewing and rejecting better candidates OR if they get rid of good staff to push in their Phupu's damad, can they even get away with it? they are answerable to board of directors/shareholders aren't they? can they really get away with Bollywood level of excluding qualified outsiders and inner politics? there would be employment/business laws etc...

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

People think like that because it’s the truth of life. Life and systems in this life are unfair and unjust. No one is saying ignore and move on but be realistic about it. Thinking Bollywood is horrible and such problems exist only in Bollywood is being very naive about real life. Real life is not like a movie where everything is just black or white, good or bad. In real life everything is in a mix . Even this nepotism or insider vs outsider debate is not as black and white as people want it to be. Groupism, bullying, people in power calling all the shots exist everywhere in every system. You do know networking is a real thing in corporate life. What does networking mean? Associate yourself with successful people in corporate world and who can get your work done. That is the real mantra of success in corporate world these days not hard work or talent. There is a reason that people say smart work is as important as hard work. Smart work meaning associate yourself with successful people and if you are not in successful people gang It will affect your success no matter how talented you are.

You’re missing the point—networking isn’t the only issue here. Have you even read how some of Bollywood’s chaheete’s have stolen projects others got through merit, just by throwing their weight around, lobbying and strong arming others? That’s not your everyday networking method that happens in real world. There are dirty tactics in play there that makes people uncomfortable in their chair just thinking about, just like sweatshops or any other unethical practices do. A lot of people still overlook it but that doesn’t make it right. So yes I have an issue with that, so do a lot of people. And I’m going to vehemently oppose it every time the subject comes up.

Feel free to counter it with the same “life is not fair, it happens everywhere” argument but it serves no purpose except condescending the other side and resigning to the status quo. If only I had a dollar for every time I heard “keep calm and carry on”... Gosh darn it.

Originally posted by: big4accountant

You’re missing the point—networking isn’t the only issue here. Have you even read how some of Bollywood’s chaheete’s have stolen projects others got through merit, just by throwing their weight around, lobbying and strong arming others?

Yes it’s a tactic outsider/insider have done when they get their clout. Since no one stopped it then I assume the only solution is to get the clout

Originally posted by: big4accountant

You’re missing the point—networking isn’t the only issue here. Have you even read how some of Bollywood’s chaheete’s have stolen projects others got through merit, just by throwing their weight around, lobbying and strong arming others? That’s not your everyday networking method that happens in real world. There are dirty tactics in play there that makes people uncomfortable in their chair just thinking about, just like sweatshops or any other unethical practices do. A lot of people still overlook it but that doesn’t make it right. So yes I have an issue with that, so do a lot of people. And I’m going to vehemently oppose it every time the subject comes up.

Feel free to counter it with the same “life is not fair, it happens everywhere” argument but it serves no purpose except condescending the other side and resigning to the status quo. If only I had a dollar for every time I heard “keep calm and carry on”... Gosh darn it.

Bold- And you think this doesn't happen in other spheres of life? In other industries? It happens all the time. I am in the consulting industry,if a partner needs new consultants for his project more often than not he or she will select people she or he has worked with and has easy relationship with. Some one he or she deems easier to work with . Does that mean other people are not talented ? No. May be they are but they haven't networked well with the successful partner. Hell why to blame other i myself do this. If i get a new project even i tend to take up people i like or with whom i can work easily. Others may be more talented but for me most important thing is me and my project and how i think i can make my project successful .If i think i need people who will listen to me easily, do whatever i say since i have good relations with them even if they are less talented than others i will take them because my priority is not to promote talent but to ensure that project i have been given is successful.

Like i said what you are saying is very normal and happens every day in corporate office. Being biased to those who you know is a very human feeling. I mean even till date if some one asks me to recommend their CV's to the HR i do that. They may or may not be talented or there may be others who are more talented but i still refer that CV and ask HR to take a look at that person first. Infact that is how people get jobs now a days. By getting people they know to recommend their CV's so that their interview opportunity comes first. Interview here being equivalent to an audition. Everybody gets job like this these day. The more people you know or the people at higher level you know more chances of CV getting recommending and getting a job.

Also i am not saying accept the unfairness of life and move on. Of course not. Fight it in whatever way you want to or if you don't want to fight it then don't but atleast accept the reality of life and what the real problem is. If you don't accept the reality of the problem you wont be able to fight it. Reality of the problem is rooted in a very human feeling of bias to people that you know and love. Is this bias wrong yes but so are feelings of jealousy, hatered, insecurity. But all these are human emotions nonetheless. My point is first lets accept and understand the real problem. Its not as simple or as black and white as it seems.

Originally posted by: Renee.Clare

I really like Jimmy Shergil and he has always been underrated in my opinion. He has his own views and I respect that. But I go with Manoj Bajpayee 's take on this debate. I found Manoj's take on the whole thing as the best so far.

Agreed. Though I understand Jimmy Sheirgill's take on this matter, this is not the same as other industries. Yes the son gets a chance but not multiple chances with everyone banding together to make him succeed over others.

Originally posted by: big4accountant

I don't think there is anything quite like it. The whole "it happens everywhere" so just suck it up and move on, is the most defeatist thing I've ever heard. I am actually astonished that so many people think like that. 🤔

U know I often talk to my corporate friends about this.. That people should watch what they say Or do.. Should be compassionate.. And almost always their response is that one should be able to take criticism and withstand all this to survive and succeed at work. Cut throat competition, sabotage, politics, taking credit for someone else's work.. All this is common in corporate. If u cant overcome it u cannot succeed. Maybe they r right.. Thats the only way.

Guess thats what survival of the fittest means. If u r not a predator, u either need to be thick skinned, blend in ur surroundings or camouflage urself to survive. Same for outsiders in the industry.. Sad but true

Originally posted by: Sharpener

I would like a list of all the industries that have such a toxic mafia like environment and where the head honcho hosts an embarrassing bitchfest tv show like KWK.

thank you! so much sense in these lines. Can we also talk about how much these nepo people lick each other's behinds at times the most mediocre work and act like is groundbreaking.Ughhh it drives me bananas.