Ranveer's tone deaf post in the middle of a police brutality discourse - Page 4

Originally posted by: cricketfan1

Like I said, regardless of how corrupt- can you completely deny that they are the reason the world is still thriving? Bash the bad ones but bashing the entire institution will never be supported, if you are looking to create an awareness!

Now you're shifting goal-post. You said 99% of them are duty-bound. Their primary duty is to serve citizens of the country. And they fail there when they extort bribes out of them. On what basis do you call that duty bound? Also, it's not even a negligible number. It's significant enough to bring shame to the entire force.

So there is something systematically wrong with the whole institution, and it needs a complete overhaul.

Originally posted by: McGorgeous

Police asking shopkeepers for bribes to keep their shops open is not a one off incident. In Mumbai, for instance, police actively seeks bribes from restaurants to stay open at night, despite it being permissible as per court. Bribery and Extortion are a part of police job descriptions in India. Do they ever do verifications without asking money? Never heard a story where the traffic police doesn't actively ask for a bribe instead of issuing Chaalans.

Heck, have been once harrased by a police officer at night for a nonsense made up voilation and had to pay him a bribe. Then he proceeded to give me a ticket, so I can show that to any other police officer that stops me. It's a proper racket.

My experiences are limited to bribery. But to believe that police doesn't actively harass the poor in this country is a joke in itself.

Who said that? Exaggeration much?

So are you willing to do away with the entire institution? Would you rather live in such a society where there are no Police only?

Originally posted by: McGorgeous

Police asking shopkeepers for bribes to keep their shops open is not a one off incident. In Mumbai, for instance, police actively seeks bribes from restaurants to stay open at night, despite it being permissible as per court. Bribery and Extortion are a part of police job descriptions in India. Do they ever do verifications without asking money? Never heard a story where the traffic police doesn't actively ask for a bribe instead of issuing Chaalans.

Heck, have been once harrased by a police officer at night for a nonsense made up voilation and had to pay him a bribe. Then he proceeded to give me a ticket, so I can show that to any other police officer that stops me. It's a proper racket.

My experiences are limited to bribery. But to believe that police doesn't actively harass the poor in this country is a joke in itself.

I swear, I have similar experiences.

I remember when I was getting a passport made, the officer who was supposed to do police verification literally expected a bribe before doing the verification process. He had the power to delay or refuse my passport, and he was abusing it, and he was expecting a reward for not abusing it.

I tell you, those defending the police force must be extremely privileged plus having had the good fortune of never having an encounter with the police. Either that, or they must have someone they are related to in the police.

Nobody is denying good cops, I'm sure there are a few earnest and sincere ones. But there are so many bad ones that it's systematically a problem and the whole institution needs to be revamped.

Originally posted by: ponymo

Now you're shifting goal-post. You said 99% of them are duty-bound. Their primary duty is to serve citizens of the country. And they fail there when they extort bribes out of them. On what basis do you call that duty bound? Also, it's not even a negligible number. It's significant enough to bring shame to the entire force.

So there is something systematically wrong with the whole institution, and it needs a complete overhaul.

No I am not shifting any posts...That number may have been exaggeration but the point remains...The fact that most of the people still reach out to Police if they need help shows that people believe in them....And which institution/system doesn’t need an overhaul every now and then? The more people are open to change, the better the system gets!

Originally posted by: cricketfan1

Who said that? Exaggeration much?

So are you willing to do away with the entire institution? Would you rather live in such a society where there are no Police only?

Did I advocate for police to be removed? The institution in its current form is corrupted to its core and we can't ignore that and claim it is a few bad apples. The institution needs to be overhauled, no one asked for it to be removed.

Only exaggeration is pretending 99% police are duty-bound individuals. 😆

Originally posted by: Khai_R_Haagi

Fun fact: NO ONE DID!

Everyone has only had thanked the police and essential workers CONTINUOUSLY during the lockdown. If the police weren't respected, this would be a lawless country. It is the failed system that doesn't respect police otherwise they and doctors should've been earning more than everyone else during this pandemic or otherwise.

The hue and cry is over the corrupt cops not the job of policemen. Just because there's a majority of good policemen doesn't mean we don't raise our voice against the minority of those who are bad and not say a word against policemen sodomizing and killing people and leaving them dying after profusely bleeding from their rectum for what? Not following curfew rules and keeping their mobile shop open amidst lockdown?

And let's be frank this is not the first police brutality we have seen in the lockdown, this might be of very high level but we have seen the police beating female doctors in Hyderabad with lathi for going out for duty in Telengana, cops tying the hands of the doctor who complained about shortage of N-95 masks in hospitals in Vishakhapatnam,stripping him shirtless and dragging on the road, cops over turning vegetable carts and ruining fresh vegetables being sold by poor vendors during lockdown over the country, man dying in Howrah, Bengal after cops thrashing him for going out to buy milk and several other incidents that we have all seen videos of throughout the lockdown.

So just because there's a good side of cops selflessly doing their work, doesn't mean that we should not raise voice against the corrupt. And no that doesn't mean those raising their voices are forgetting about the good cops. Because this is not the time to praise the good cops but only the time to out the bad cops.

oh spare yourself an essay, I didn't said a word against raising voice or criticism against crime work done by policemen misusing their power.

Originally posted by: ponymo

I swear, I have similar experiences.

I remember when I was getting a passport made, the officer who was supposed to do police verification literally expected a bribe before doing the verification process. He had the power to delay or refuse my passport, and he was abusing it, and he was expecting a reward for not abusing it.

I tell you, those defending the police force must be extremely privileged plus having had the good fortune of never having an encounter with the police. Either that, or they must have someone they are related to in the police.

Nobody is denying good cops, I'm sure there are a few earnest and sincere ones. But there are so many bad ones that it's systematically a problem and the whole institution needs to be revamped.

The passport verification is an experience in itself. They don't even bother pretending to verify something, jist come in with hands open. Have had two passport verifications, same story every time.

Originally posted by: cricketfan1

No I am not shifting any posts...That number may have been exaggeration but the point remains...The fact that most of the people still reach out to Police if they need help shows that people believe in them....And which institution/system doesn’t need an overhaul every now and then? The more people are open to change, the better the system gets!

As opposed to? Is there any other institution that helps?

This is like saying, the fact that most of the people vote for a leader must mean the leader is good. Not really. The leader can be really horrible and corrupt and still get elected. So people going to the police is not a testament to how good the police are, it's rather about how the police have power in them to help them.

Often times police abuse this power. People may take the abuse and still be patient because they are helpless, not because they prefer it. Check what happened in the Priyanka Reddy rape and murder case. The family of the girl went from police station to police station for help, and by the time they got help, it was too late. This is just one example. There are many more cases where the police frequently abuses their power, in small and big ways.

Originally posted by: McGorgeous

Did I advocate for police to be removed? The institution in its current form is corrupted to its core and we can't ignore that and claim it is a few bad apples. The institution needs to be overhauled, no one asked for it to be removed.

Only exaggeration is pretending 99% police are duty-bound individuals. 😆

Oh so you have a problem with the numbers...Ok fine...You can assume whatever number you like! 🤔😆

Overhauling is needed of course, but what are you as an individual doing other than dissing the movie stars for not doing what you expect them to do is more important...When they tried to extract bribes from you, what action have you taken? You probably didn’t do anything because its not comfortable...And you will also laugh at a suggestion even...But then you want the overhauling, who according to you has to do it?

Originally posted by: RegressiveThug

oh spare yourself an essay, I didn't said a word against raising voice or criticism against crime work done by policemen misusing their power.

You did by calling the uproar a 'witch hunting'.