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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: himmo100

In current model its not prediction. Its about initial value that a star brings in. Male actors with a weak lead bring in bigger collections than female actors with weak leads. Which is an indicator that producers are looking at.


See I am having a hard time understanding this distinction between "value" and "box office prediction." When you someone will bring in bigger collections, that becomes a prediction.

This is unfair on two levels.
1) Women have not yet broken the glass ceiling. It sends a message no matter how hard you work or how talented you actually are your gender is worthless. But people have an objection to this line of thought so lets toss it aside.

2) It is unfair on investors. It forces them to take high risk. They stand to lose a lot when overhyped stars deliver duds.

This is why I suggest an equal base pay. And the star who believes they can deliver box office cash can get a percentage of the collections. This way an overhyped star doesn't laugh to the bank while an investor loses big. I think you agree this is fair.

Originally posted by: himmo100

In conclusion i dont think there is any girl out there who deserves equal pay compared to A list male actors. They should get more pay than B list male actors. Within A-A, males should get more. in fields like IT its easier to give all equal pay. we were talking about movies only


Really?

Deepika, Ranbir, and Sonam debuted around the same time. If we determine a value based on past performance - Deepika and Ranbir deserve equal pay. Sonam perhaps less.

Similarly Alia, Varun, Sid debuted at the same time. If we determine a value based on past performance - Alia > Varun > Sid

But I would still say If SOTY was remade today. All three deserve equal pay. If Alia thinks she deserves more she asks for a share of collections added to her equal pay.
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades


See I am having a hard time understanding this distinction between "value" and "box office prediction." When you someone will bring in bigger collections, that becomes a prediction.

By initial value I mean, assessment at a time and point based on history of a star. Higher the value higher the chance of collection. You can call it prediction but I just wanted to make a distinction because initial value is more about what someone has done and not about what some could do though what someone has done is impacting what someone can do and hence the higher salary. Plus prediction can be combination of initial value + potential/.other factors. I dont think money givers consider that. They look at it ok Salman always brings a 70 crore weekend as oppose to priyanka chopra who brings a headache. lol

Still its splitting hairs

This is unfair on two levels.

1) Women have not yet broken the glass ceiling. It sends a message no matter how hard you work or how talented you actually are your gender is worthless. But people have an objection to this line of thought so lets toss it aside.


2) It is unfair on investors. It forces them to take high risk. They stand to lose a lot when overhyped stars deliver duds.

Well it is at least based on something. It is better than automatic payments. If Salman Khan comes in and asks a high amount based on his performance this does not mean you will automatically pay deepika the same amount.

I think its fair..its flexible...its adaptive...its not a bank account salary that is likely to be same.

Its a performance based industry

women have to prove their box office worth..i dont know how...they need to record some box office movies and they will get the pay...not everyone...even among men not everyone gets the same

but i do agree that lead actress should get more than b graders males

This is why I suggest an equal base pay. And the star who believes they can deliver box office cash can get a percentage of the collections. This way an overhyped star doesn't laugh to the bank while an investor loses big. I think you agree this is fair.

It is fair but base pay of a arabian horse and mule cannot be same. lol

*referring to performance here not gender lol



Really?

Deepika, Ranbir, and Sonam debuted around the same time. If we determine a value based on past performance - Deepika and Ranbir deserve equal pay. Sonam perhaps less.

Similarly Alia, Varun, Sid debuted at the same time. If we determine a value based on past performance - Alia > Varun > Sid

But I would still say If SOTY was remade today. All three deserve equal pay. If Alia thinks she deserves more she asks for a share of collections added to her equal pay.


I will not go into specifics I am sure there is unfairness going on...we dont have numbers to debate

Just an overall thought that gender should not be a factor...merit should be

merit can be

Salman > Baman Irnai

Salman > Deepika

Deepika > Baman

Salman > Deepika . Baman

i dont care
Edited by himmo100 - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: himmo100


thank you jacky...

tu jack all trades ka
meri 160 IQ ka na koi saani
dono gang bana lein toh
yaad aa jaye gi logon ko naani


aaj garmi ghazab ki hai
mang raha hai himmo paani
84 ki umer mein mujh ko
yaad aa rahi hai jawaani

waise topic kya tha? lol



Wah wah!! Wah wah!! 👏
Topic se mujhe kya Himmo bhaiya? 😆
Main toh baas awain hi 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: JackOfAllTrades

Wah wah!! Wah wah!! 👏

Topic se mujhe kya Himmo bhaiya? 😆
Main toh baas awain hi 😆


lol ok...par opinion diya karo.

i have has 2 glasses of lemonade ...very hot in north east usa.
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Posted: 7 years ago
actors get paid for what ? acting . then equal . selling a movie , then you can't pay them before the movie release , what if it is flop ?
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: GrrrG

actors get paid for what ? acting . then equal . selling a movie , then you can't pay them before the movie release , what if it is flop ?


well if someone has given lots f hits like salman then at least they will generate solid weekend

compared to nawaz who we know wont give anything on weeked

priyanka is one who does not give anything but still takes a lot
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: fivestars


Disagree ! Though abhijat and himanshu are the great writers but the actors are the ones who are delivering it on the screen and are bringing audience to the halls so i dont get this writers should Be paid well rants😆 but yeah if the ratio is what u said then its unfair but then again when they are agreeing to the amount they are getting it shouldnt be a problem.? Dunno !!!



Actors bring to life what's written on the pages, no?

The plot, characters, and dialogs come from the screenwriter. It's the blueprint that gets the money on the table. Based on a script, a director is hired by the producer - if the director isn't the writer.

When it comes to stars like the Khans and Akshay, I agree they need to be the highest paid ones on the set. Then, we have star directors like SLB, Raju Hirani, and even Rohit Shetty - whose movies sell on their names alone.

But when you look at the disparity between what someone like Jaqueline gets paid in contrast to the writer, the situation is pretty dire. As I said earlier, if Himanshu is paid 10 lakhs for TWMR, Jaqueline is paid around 1 crore for a movie.

Of course, Jaqueline's just an example. It could be anyone.
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Posted: 7 years ago
I agree fully with Radhika Apte, about pay parity, in the interview below. Watch from 23:25.

Edited by Suni - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
How does one decide the 'merit' of an actor's performance?

This reminds me of Tarkovsky's words on cinema. I don't remember what he said in verbatim, but in essence he says how cinema - acting is an art, but it is such a sad art because it depends on money-making to survive, depends on money to rate the 'success' of an actor/film.

It's paradoxical because each person watches movie or appreciates an actor's performance differently, so how is to one decide the 'merit' of an actor?

I feel bad for cinema and what it's become 😭


Anyway, I think, therefore, there should be a basic, equal pay for all actors/cast/crew of all genders(male, female, other), and that the monetary success of a movie should be equally distributed among the cast/crew equally. This would give so much encouragement to screenwriters, editors, other technical crew who work so hard, and save a lot of heart-burn.


Edited by Angel-likeDevil - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
Stars are responsible for initial week days and weekend collection. Then this collection gets multiplied by a factor deciding on WOM. If WOM is extremely good, it might make 10 times the initial week end collection. If not, it might stop at 3 to 4 times.
Screenplay plays a role in this multiplication factor. Yes. On its own, it might be nothing (single digit). But when it multiplies with 20 crores, it yields a bumper.

Good screen plays cannot make a Raj Kumar's movie collect 100 crores (if it's initial week end collection is around 10 lakh).
But it can decide whether a Khan movie collects 80 crores or 240 crores.

May be, everyone should go for profit sharing.
Screen writers should get a profit share of 2nd or 3rd week end's collections. People won't come for the star on 3rd week end. They will only come if the film is good (which is based on screenplay and direction).
Similarly music directors and singers should get a share in music rights. Stars cannot sell music. If so, why Dangal's music is not as hit as the movie?

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