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Posted: 7 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: StinsonIsHere


TM pichle se pichle janam mein Rani Padmavati ki Saheli thi.
Khush? šŸ˜†

About your other post:
Ek Galat se Dusra Galat kat jata toh poori duniya na sahi ho jaati. An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. Violence should always be avoided. No matter who is involved.


Lol. But that's not the answer to my question. TM claimed in her main post

"its proved by historians and that matters only" so that's why wanna know who are those historians & what's the proof of their authenticity. Khush or Dukh kya taluq iska? šŸ˜•

Yea. Agree but I find this really ridiculous that the ones who pretends to condemn violence and abuse, on the other hand tries to defend and supports another abuser. 😲
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Posted: 7 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: HawasKaPujari


Queen and Khilji sitting closely and looking at each other lovingly - whaaat? That's shocking! Could you link that pic? I could not find it online.

@bold- True. Especially after 1900s, Padmavati became a famous symbol for heroic sacrifice to inspire during our freedom struggle. Agree about the historical evidence, the original stories could not have been complete fantasy, and lot of the narrative in the story did happen in the past, including the Jauhar practice.



I saw that pic a couple of times... Should've saved it bcz it disappeared, was unable to find it soon after

Maybe it was a doctored pic...
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Posted: 7 years ago
#43
Maha: Are you thinking who I am thinking?? Lmaooo!
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Posted: 7 years ago
#44
Thoroughly researched and visually stunning. Thanks for the thread, will read at my leisure. 😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
#45
History became legend, legend became myth.
Historians have always embellished historical records to make it more interesting. For example, Herodotus wove tales of Gods and Goddesses into the histories he wrote. Obviously, we know now that Gods and Goddesses did not exist. Royalty and Nobility often hired their own historians to paint themselves in a positive light while discrediting their enemies. That is why you have some characters appear as heroes and villains depending on which history you read. Events also greatly differ based on whose perspective you are seeing. That is why studying history requires reading various narratives and trying to piece together the most likely story from all the alternatives.

Padmavati here is a classic example of a real historical character whose story has been embellished and narrated in multiple versions. Similarly, Allaudin Khilji will also vary greatly as hero and villain depending on the perspective of the narrative.

Historical films typically try to put some investment into due diligence to present an authentic story. The degree of authenticity varies depending on the director's vision. Oliver Stone has a high degree of authenticity despite his penchant for cinematic drama. On the other hand, SLB plays really loosey-goosey with the authenticity. SLB bends and warps the narrative to fit the melodrama, romanticism, and high opulence that he revels in. It is perhaps better to view SLB films as "historical fantasy fiction" rather than purely "historical".

Another thing to remember is the Helen of Troy narrative. Some versions sell a love story between Helen and Paris. Some versions sell the rape and kidnapping of Helen by Paris. All versions make Helen a dramatic catalyst to the political conflict between Greece and Troy that culminates in War. Love or Vengeance makes a better storyline than two nations fighting.


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Posted: 7 years ago
#46
Since we are keeping religious sentiments aside,I think this will be a good place to ask this,a genuine question..
Rajput princesses were known to be warriors.They were taught swordfighting since a young age and used to also fight wars like Mastani.So why is self immolation considered brave and the ultimate form of sacrifice and fighting spirit? Do people really rever Rani Padmini for her sacrifice or the fact that she saved her 'honour'? Would she have been revered the same way if instead of the Jauhar pratha,Rani Padmini would've fought as a rajput princess irrespective of win or defeat?

I've always heard people linking her with chastity and a woman's honour and I can't help but always draw a parallel with the way even today people are concerned about a woman's 'honour' which they somehow think lies in a woman's body parts and facial features.
Don't want to hurt any sentiments but I really wanted to know the real reason she is revered so much in some parts of the country?
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Posted: 7 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Maharani.



So you made an account just to single out one member and pick on them for their opinion.
The TM is not forcing her opinion down your throat. Why the f does it bother you so much?
It's pretty evident who's acting "desperate" here.

Bdw your writing style reminds me an awful lot of another pseudo-intellectual member on here who would pick on people to thrust abba dabba jabba facts on them.

Why is it that my abba jabba facts hurt you more than TM's and her Habibi's?

Calling me MID?

Ab is ka proof toh dena padrga.
Did your habibi write about my past existent? If not how will you prove I existed before this moment?
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Posted: 7 years ago
#48
Well I don't think so padmavati was real as their is no evidence .It's symbolic may be because of those jauhar rituals.
Khilji was sultan of Delhi and I hope makers are not going to show him extremely bad which I think every king are like Ashoka and all

I'm going to watch this movie as fictional
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Posted: 7 years ago
#49
She is not famous in North India but only Rajasthani treats her like goddess .I never read about her in school and I'm NI.
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Posted: 7 years ago
#50

Originally posted by: here4reviews

Since we are keeping religious sentiments aside,I think this will be a good place to ask this,a genuine question..

Rajput princesses were known to be warriors.They were taught swordfighting since a young age and used to also fight wars like Mastani.So why is self immolation considered brave and the ultimate form of sacrifice and fighting spirit? Do people really rever Rani Padmini for her sacrifice or the fact that she saved her 'honour'? Would she have been revered the same way if instead of the Jauhar pratha,Rani Padmini would've fought as a rajput princess irrespective of win or defeat?

I've always heard people linking her with chastity and a woman's honour and I can't help but always draw a parallel with the way even today people are concerned about a woman's 'honour' which they somehow think lies in a woman's body parts and facial features.
Don't want to hurt any sentiments but I really wanted to know the real reason she is revered so much in some parts of the country?


Padmavati's legend and reverence are rooted in the misguided notion that the most valuable asset a woman possesses is her honor. In this misguided notion, it is better for a woman to take her own life than being violated. While a warrior's death is noble for men, it is perceived to be a dishonor for women. Plus going to battle means risking the possibility of being a prisoner of war. Death is scary. Padmavati chose to die and hence is revered.

To be honest, it is highly plausible that Padmavati did fight like a Rajput and was either killed in battle or taken a prisoner of war. But that narrative does not strike a chord in the culture where honor is penultimate

Perhaps in Themiscyra they would have written a story of brave battles that made her revered even if she killed herself.

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