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Posted: 9 years ago
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dont know which political party is right
but bjp is getting lot of support from local indians
and arvind kej is getting trashed on his own fb page BR]
see his post about jnu students he posted few days back
and even a post he posted day before yesterday
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Posted: 9 years ago
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No slogan at JNU said "do this" or "do that". Hate speech is a statement like "this community/religion has raped our mothers and sisters, let us go and teach their sisters and mothers a lesson". That is a call to action. There was not a single speech made at JNU that asked for anyone to do anything. There was a clash between two groups of students, the President of the Union was called in to calm them down, and that is what he tried to do in his speech. He did not raise the slogans in question, as the transcript of his speech clearly shows.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: Vedika211

I did not use freedom of speech even once. I'm using the word 'illegal'. You cannot arrest someone for an opinion, no matter how personally offensive you find that opinion. If someone says "I will destroy you", the police cannot arrest you for that thought. They can provide protection to that person, or keep a watch on you, but you cannot arrest someone for making a statement, even if that statement is vile, disgusting and makes you want to punish that person somehow.



Well under the Indian sedition act, such sloganeering is illegal. Like I said, to what extent should threats of violence and destruction be tolerated in campuses?, if someone tomorrow were to say, "I'm going to bomb the parliament", are you saying that he shouldn't be arrested for simply making that statement?, hell no, he should be arrested and investigated.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vedika211


It is freedom of speech that has conditions attached. Sedition was a law set in place by the British, which punished Indians for speaking up against them. In the past, when the Sikhs asked for a separate nation of Khalistan, and made that demand with raised swords, the Supreme Court of India refused to punish them.
http://thewire.in/2016/02/13/a-short-summary-of-the-law-of-sedition-in-india-21472/


So then why are we not letting the courts decide here too...if they feel it challenges the sovereignty and integrity of the nation, they will be punished. Why are we playing judge and jury, why is their arrest being seen as illegal??
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aweeecute

dont know which political party is right
but bjp is getting lot of support from local indians
and arvind kej is getting trashed on his own fb page BR]
see his post about jnu students he posted few days back
and even a post he posted day before yesterday


Yes on the same social media some morons were mocking and making fun of this tribal woman activist who had acid thrown on her and burnt her face , we know the moral conscience of these people .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@angrybird- Where did i question whole university 😳 , I am only talking of those students and their supporters.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gatheringstorm


Ok so basically we should treat intellectuals and Phd students like myself btw on a different parameter, good to know. I will also go out of my house and make illegal and inflammatory statements all in the name of my research and expect the society to be all accepting👏


No we should not treat them separately. We should counter arguments with arguments, not with threats of arrest and mob violence. If you dislike what Umar Khalid says, answer him. Argue with him. Write articles that show that his thinking is wrong and twisted.
I am also a historian. I am also writing about the history of India, independence history to be precise. And I would want people to counter my arguments with arguments, not with a rally outside my door.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yes on the same social media some morons were mocking and making fun of this tribal woman activist who had acid thrown on her and burnt her face , we know the moral conscience of these people .

So if some morons were making fun there ,does that mean all indians who want action against JNU students fall in same category? On one end you say that whole JNU university should not be branded and on the other hand you are targetting moral conscience of everyone who is against JNU students like Khalid ?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vedika211


No we should not treat them separately. We should counter arguments with arguments, not with threats of arrest and mob violence. If you dislike what Umar Khalid says, answer him. Argue with him. Write articles that show that his thinking is wrong and twisted.
I am also a historian. I am also writing about the history of India, independence history to be precise. And I would want people to counter my arguments with arguments, not with a rally outside my door.


Yes but then who called out a rally first?? Why did they have to resort to sloganeering rather than presenting their viewpoint in a manner more befitting their stature as students of a prestigious university??

If they have a right to rally support for what they think is wrong how can we question the right of those rallying in opposition to them??
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heisenberg.



Well under the Indian sedition act, such sloganeering is illegal. Like I said, to what extent should threats of violence and destruction be tolerated in campuses?, if someone tomorrow were to say, "I'm going to bomb the parliament", are you saying that he shouldn't be arrested for simply making that statement?, hell no, he should be arrested and investigated.



See, that is not how it works.
He should be first investigated, then arrested only if he is a viable threat. That is what the Intelligence Bureau does. Do you know how many people make threats? Lots of them. The Bureau also takes them seriously. Those that are deemed serious are followed up. That is why it keeps a list of individuals, including students, who have the potential to be involved in terrorist activities. The police are supposed to work in tandem with them. Here the police took a fake Twitter account and a doctored video for proof. The Intelligence Bureau said that it did not perceive these people as threats. Even then, they are being beaten up inside the prison and the students and teachers who turn up at court to show their support are also beaten up.

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