Swara bhaskar abuses (mods move it to debate mansion) - Page 33

Originally posted by: colossial2015

Whats your problem with hindutva. Do you think hindus are horrible people?

JNU is a good university but it cannot treat the terrorists as heroes and celebrate the death of soldeirs. Few years back some kashmiri students shouted Pro Pakistan slogans after India Pakistan cricket match and some of them were restricted and rest were suspended by the faculity themselves.

there is another problem in JNU that the non teaching staff completely hates the teachers and student members of the leftist parties. The staff hates the gundagardi these groups do in the campus. Left parties have suffocated the other voices of dissent. Some of the students are forced to join the march for Kanhaiya by the lecturers.

I do not think that all students are wrong. But people with anti India believe and feelings should be removed from the university as these people are worse than terrorists.

Originally posted by: monu_tan

I dont see anything wrong in Kanhaiya's arrest. He is the JNU student union leader, was present at the sloganeering crowd and was participating as well. There was no BJP when the arrest was made. The first politician to enter and create the mess was Rahul Gandhi. With him started tge play-victim-mode JNU students and it was thousand times propelled by Congress/aap sponsored media houses. This started tge unrest. Ek murkh ki lagayi hui aag mein sab swaha..I havent heard anyone saying shutdown JNU apart from protestors against JNU. But this happened in reaction to JNU students protests against Kanhaiya's arrest. Had they allowed the law to take its course and waited for kanhaiya's bail it would have been better for them.

Wherever Rahul goes he rants the same 'BJP is oppressing nation', BJP is following RSS ideology, ' BJP is a my way or high way party'. Strangely this time everyone which includes JNU students, paid media , AAP And ofc congressis are singing Rahul's rant in unison

Originally posted by: MissBahanji

This is the thing. When congress was defeated, Indian economy was in shambles. there was so much policy paralysis. Nobody brought BJP in power on promise of all these JNU and Jaat issues. It was more about reviving the country. Media and opposition now a days give every small issue a religion and caste color. Media has stopped highlighting and even printing the new policies Govt. is bringing and also its work. Since BJP comes to the power I am yet to see a critical appraisal of any policy in News Papers. I have to go to Rajya Sabha TV for the same. The editorial is all about JNU, Intolerance, Freedom of Speech, Caste, Religion. Baki sara India to mar gaya jaise. There are so many things that are happening but never ever mentioned in newspaper. India organised International meet on Biotech but I could only find it on Rajya Sabha TV. Such is the state of Media.

Originally posted by: angrybread

Her exact words were " Nobody allowed a doctor near this child to revive this child, to take him to the hospital instead his body was used as a political tool hidden "

Are you saying that BJP has no influence or bear no responsibility in what happened in Haryana when its their govt there , how come they are not bringing up the issue of gang-rape with same passion ? why these women were advised otherwise as to not file complaints otherwise their image will be maligned ...why not trying to find culprits ? Is it because they are from BJP votebank?

Originally posted by: bhavnahm

You have to be ignorant if you didn't see any shut down JNU hashtags trending and Subramanya Swamy openly asking for a shut down and revival after 4 months with reorganized things. RaGa, AK and few leftist politicians did go and try to cash on the opportunity but if you are thinking that the JNU students are weak enough to be fooled by these guys then sorry to say you have never been with the students there. Times Now and Zee News where the first to run the story and sensationalize and tag them anti antinational, all know whose supporters are these both channels. Only after they made it a big issue, the politicians from congress, AAP and left ran to the university to cash in the oppportunity. It's not the other way round as you are saying.
Also students have all the rights to protest when their union leader is being taken to jail. Nothing wrong in that at all.
I watch both left and right inclined news channels, so I know both the sides story. It's difficult to see the truth when one stands on only one side, listens and sees only one side.

Originally posted by: angrybread

But nobody votes for muslim league , Don't you think that if all muslims voted for muslim league then it would not be a party unknown to many now . RSS is also not new it was always there before independence but the amount of support RSS, shiv sena type parties now have is scary .

People you mentioned , i only heard about Zakir Naik and he doesn't hold any position in govt /political party nor is he in news and giving statements unlike some BJP, RSS, Shiv sena, VHP, members and individuals like owaisi brothers ( who is also out rightly rejected in elections) and Azam khan. I don't listen to zakir naik but him being from mumbai makes me hard to believe that he can get away with hate speech there .

majority of aam janta condems hate speech but then there is also a good number of aam janta ( who are not BJP or any party supporters) who question the way politics is being played on the case and long time hidden agendas are also being fulfilled. Its your own fault if you even expect political parties to do something right and its also your own responsibility when you blindly support a political party and justify one wrong because others also did wrong .

Also there are a good number of indian muslims who always question what have they done to deserve the hate they get because of kashmir, pakistan , isisi etc , and kind of minority appeasement they got which is shouted every now and then to justify support for communal parties now - they are one of the most backward and undeveloped community with no development and have been back-stabbed by all be it congress, BJP, SP, BSP or any party you name it ...that is some appeasement and support.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

Periyaar is pre Indepence person upon whom DMK and AIDMK are built. Kancha Iliah's Dalit Nation can be highly irritating or highly entertaining as per one's mood. There is one article on Aishwarya Rai too. (At last, some connection to Bollywood 😆). Yes, these people are not in political parties. But I was speaking of ideology.

As far a community forming political party; When a community is spread out and 10% everywhere, it may not make a mark. But it definitely will, where it is concentrated. Be it Kashmir or Kerala. Be it Muslims or Yadavs. Equating BJP supporters as Sadhvi Prachi supporters is a linear assumption. Earlier while BJP had won the power, Togadia had lost the seat.

@blue. While questioning can these aam junta clear their stand, whether they support the slogans or condemn it? It might be irrelevant. But the silence would make it appear as if, the question is inconvenient.

@red I never justified any kind of hooliganalism by any ideology, whether action or reaction. I mentioned the pattern. No offence. I feel, somewhere you are crossing the line. The argument has started with either supporting or opposing an ideology. Let us stick to that. Let us not be judgemental with each other. 😊

@pink

First thing. In India, everyone appears to hate everyone else. At the same time, it is also true, they cannot live without each other. Dalits feel they are suppressed. Others feel they are appeased. Brahmins feel, they are easy target for everyone's hatred. According to others, they are exploiters. So does Muslims and their grievances. Yes. We keep fighting with each other, as we can't live without fights. Saath bhi rahenge. Ladte bhi rahenge. That's what India is and that's how it moves forward.

Second. Guys like Umar Khalid. It would have been easy to pass him off, if he was a Kashmiri. But a Maharastrian guy, raised in Delhi shows no regard to an Indian dead soldier, but to a militant who tried to attack parliament. His act would strengthen the fringe element in majority's version, India is not the first priority of Indian Muslim. His father being a ex Simi leader fuels it. If some Muslim leader had condemned the slogans and then supported these students (calling it is their age) and called the government action extreme (students did not kill, loot or rape), it would have created a better impression. I personally feel, both sides have erred. (In provocation and extreme reaction).

@green

Muslims are not just backstabbed by political parties. They are backstabbed by their own people too. AMU asked for 50% seat reservation for Muslims. It produced the same card. 85% below poverty line, uneducation etc. How many of those 50% seats went to that disadvantageous community they showcased? How many were sold to rich? Did it ever declare? For others, it looked Muslim appeasement. But poor Muslims did not get the benefit.

Muslim Wakf boards are not moderated by government unlike Hindu temples. In one state Wakf board alone, scandal was bigger than 2 lakh crores (bigger than 3G). It was hushed up in a day. Again others feel, government is appeasing Muslims, when Wakf boards are actually looting Muslims.

First one should take on their own leaders for the problems in their society.