Swara bhaskar abuses (mods move it to debate mansion) - Page 8

Originally posted by: Vedika211

Also organising a public meeting about any issue is not illegal in India. Any citizen of India who has a problem can call a public meeting to discuss that concern with other citizens. It is so ironic that the JNU students followed all the peaceful methods of expressing dissent - public meetings, slogans and demonstrations - and they are branded anti-national while other people (the Jats right now for example) protest through violence but are not seen as anti-national.

Originally posted by: gatheringstorm

To say that the government is not being questioned and denounced on a daily basis for every action of it is preposterous. Everyday the news channels are filled with nothing but negative propaganda against the government, how many sessions of Parliament have been stalled over these exact same questions that you raise??

Isn't it ironic that you who questions the need for a certificate of patriotism is herself deciding what constitutes or does not constitute as patriotism and nationalism. Treating the students of a university suspected of anti-national sloganeering with kid gloves is what constitutes nationalism in your book but at the same time efforts made by the government to reduce tensions at the border by holding talks with Pakistan in an attempt to reduce the risk of war and save the lives of soldiers who are daily martyred on the border is anti-national👏 And for your kind information, going by the former policy of BJP vis-a-vis Pakistan, which you declaim, Atal as the PM also made concerted efforts to stretch a hand of friendship and even visited Lahore but got Kargil War in return. So I do not see any great deviation in the BJP policy towards Pakistan from before and to blame the government for the inability of the Pakistani dispensation to keep its military backed proxy terrorism under control is irrational.

Did the government not postpone its talks with Pakistan after Pathankot?? How is the government at fault for the incident, could it have foreseen such immediate betrayal?? Do you think Modi likes having an egg on his face especially after his personal visit on Sharif's birthday?? And with regards to use of police force on army veterans, there was immediate apology rendered by the government. There are instances when to maintain law and order at such large gatherings force is resorted to, it could have been a spur of the moment decision by the police official in command there but you make it sound like there were direct orders from the Home Minister to lathi charge them and that you were privy of it🤢

Anyways you are set in your point of view and I am in mine, the twain shall never meet so just let it be.

Originally posted by: Vedika211

I did not use freedom of speech even once. I'm using the word 'illegal'. You cannot arrest someone for an opinion, no matter how personally offensive you find that opinion. If someone says "I will destroy you", the police cannot arrest you for that thought. They can provide protection to that person, or keep a watch on you, but you cannot arrest someone for making a statement, even if that statement is vile, disgusting and makes you want to punish that person somehow.

Originally posted by: Vedika211

I did not use freedom of speech even once. I'm using the word 'illegal'. You cannot arrest someone for an opinion, no matter how personally offensive you find that opinion. If someone says "I will destroy you", the police cannot arrest you for that thought. They can provide protection to that person, or keep a watch on you, but you cannot arrest someone for making a statement, even if that statement is vile, disgusting and makes you want to punish that person somehow.

Originally posted by: gatheringstorm

Making seditionary statements is illegal in the country, even the freedom of speech and expression under Art 19(1) has sedition as a reasonable restriction. so yes what they did absolutely illegal even according to the Constitution framed by the Grand old Party.

Originally posted by: Vedika211

And Umar Khalid and Afzal Guru. Umar Khalid is a PhD student in history. This is what historians do - they question things that are accepted as history. They look at government documents, legal judgements and so on - and then offer their interpretations of it. It is not wrong/illegal to do so. Do you know how many authors and historians have written things that question the idea of India? Will you now search each and everyone of them and call them anti-national?

Originally posted by: riti4u

Sadly i can say same for your argument , a convenient justification.

- What does this issue has to do with supporting BJP ? Why just to support BJP I must overlook the fact that these "innocent" students were celebrating a terrorist in their campus? Why should I overlook the fact these so called students had beaten up two army ex JNU students when they had protested on anti indian poetry in so called cultural event few years back.. Wht BJP did with army veterans was wrong but does that justify those morons who called for division of India and does that justify their anti indian sloganeering...

Just look beyond your hatred for this government , calling for India k sau tukde is no proof of patriotism of these "innocent" students .. no one needs to be a soldier to understand that.