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Posted: 9 years ago
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What bothers me about fake allegation and doctored proofs is that the government is using them to prove themselves right. Which in return when proven to be false shows the Kashmiri how India is indeed suppressing them and is against them . More material to brainwash thanks to the greed of political parties and headline makers. Atleast the government should be more mature and reasonable to first authenticate their data and then speak about it. And those silly BJP party workers finding condoms in JNU. Why do they exist.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

What bothers me about fake allegation and doctored proofs is that the government is using them to prove themselves right. Which in return when proven to be false shows the Kashmiri how India is indeed suppressing them and is against them . More material to brainwash thanks to the greed of political parties and headline makers. Atleast the government should be more mature and reasonable to first authenticate their data and then speak about it. And those silly BJP party workers finding condoms in JNU. Why do they exist.


Exactly , how can they be so irresponsible or do they not care about it and just want to fulfil their short term agenda .

On NDTV debate sambit patra was ready with his ipad all the time ready to show these videos/photos on screen . When after 2-3 days he was questioned on it as these videos turned out to be fake ( conveniently provided by ABVP members) he shrugged it off and said that it was media's job to make sure they are authentic , i am only believing in media 😲
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gatheringstorm


So Kanhaiya was not there but what about others?? And you ask how the police arrested him on the basis of a doctored video, well was the police aware that it was doctored when they arrested him?? Why such mollycoddling of these people, treat them on par as you would any other suspect and let the law take its course.


Well, the point is this. Not a single person who actually shouted those slogans has been arrested. Should not the police verify something before arresting people. If you know someone who gets arrested on the basis of a doctored video, would you still say that it is ok to do it? That is why there is an investigation before an arrest, not a snap arrest based on hearsay.
Why am I sympathising with him? Because I sympathise with anyone who faces injustice. Simple as that.
Also, he is President of the student union at JNU. That does not make him personally responsible for what other JNU students do. By that logic, Modi would be personally responsible, as CM, for the Gujarat riots, because unlike Kanhaiya, he controlled the police force in the state.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Also organising a public meeting about any issue is not illegal in India. Any citizen of India who has a problem can call a public meeting to discuss that concern with other citizens. It is so ironic that the JNU students followed all the peaceful methods of expressing dissent - public meetings, slogans and demonstrations - and they are branded anti-national while other people (the Jats right now for example) protest through violence but are not seen as anti-national.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vedika211

Also organising a public meeting about any issue is not illegal in India. Any citizen of India who has a problem can call a public meeting to discuss that concern with other citizens. It is so ironic that the JNU students followed all the peaceful methods of expressing dissent - public meetings, slogans and demonstrations - and they are branded anti-national while other people (the Jats right now for example) protest through violence but are not seen as anti-national.


@ bold if you destroy national property and create violence then you are not anti-national , govt will bend backwards and give into the demands if you are their vote bank .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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And a very convenient justification . Nobody would have questioned BJP if they wouldn't have promoted and screamed themselves to be diff from anti national congress party .

Why don't all the people who question patriotism of others not go to border and fight with army instead of ganging up against a university ?

Where were these BJP/RSS goons when army veterans were assaulted in Delhi - was that was a national pride for these people , where was the outrage

Where is justice for those who died in pathakot ? kya hua BJP ki pakistan policy ko ? now their policy is no diff to what congress had 👎🏼


To say that the government is not being questioned and denounced on a daily basis for every action of it is preposterous. Everyday the news channels are filled with nothing but negative propaganda against the government, how many sessions of Parliament have been stalled over these exact same questions that you raise??

Isn't it ironic that you who questions the need for a certificate of patriotism is herself deciding what constitutes or does not constitute as patriotism and nationalism. Treating the students of a university suspected of anti-national sloganeering with kid gloves is what constitutes nationalism in your book but at the same time efforts made by the government to reduce tensions at the border by holding talks with Pakistan in an attempt to reduce the risk of war and save the lives of soldiers who are daily martyred on the border is anti-national👏 And for your kind information, going by the former policy of BJP vis-a-vis Pakistan, which you declaim, Atal as the PM also made concerted efforts to stretch a hand of friendship and even visited Lahore but got Kargil War in return. So I do not see any great deviation in the BJP policy towards Pakistan from before and to blame the government for the inability of the Pakistani dispensation to keep its military backed proxy terrorism under control is irrational.

Did the government not postpone its talks with Pakistan after Pathankot?? How is the government at fault for the incident, could it have foreseen such immediate betrayal?? Do you think Modi likes having an egg on his face especially after his personal visit on Sharif's birthday?? And with regards to use of police force on army veterans, there was immediate apology rendered by the government. There are instances when to maintain law and order at such large gatherings force is resorted to, it could have been a spur of the moment decision by the police official in command there but you make it sound like there were direct orders from the Home Minister to lathi charge them and that you were privy of it🤢

Anyways you are set in your point of view and I am in mine, the twain shall never meet so just let it be.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vedika211


Well, the point is this. Not a single person who actually shouted those slogans has been arrested. Should not the police verify something before arresting people. If you know someone who gets arrested on the basis of a doctored video, would you still say that it is ok to do it? That is why there is an investigation before an arrest, not a snap arrest based on hearsay.
Why am I sympathising with him? Because I sympathise with anyone who faces injustice. Simple as that.
Also, he is President of the student union at JNU. That does not make him personally responsible for what other JNU students do. By that logic, Modi would be personally responsible, as CM, for the Gujarat riots, because unlike Kanhaiya, he controlled the police force in the state.


Well investigation is usually carried out in detail after an arrest when the case is built before the judiciary, so how is the action of the Delhi police wrong??It can only be called wrong if they had prior knowledge about the tapes being doctored. Its not like this is the first time in the history of Indian law that a person has been arrested on grounds of an FIR. And its not as if he has been illegally detained and not given an opportunity to present his case for a bail pea before the court of law. So why the big hue and cry just because he is the leader of the student union at JNU??

As for those who shouted the slogans, 5 of them were absconding of whom 2, Anirban and Umar Khalid have returned and surrendered themselves and that too after much drama. And if they are as innocent as they claim why the need to run away in the first place??

Rather than blaming others for tarnishing the name of a prestigious institute like JNU, one should blame these students for doing so.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: angrybread

And a very convenient justification . Nobody would have questioned BJP if they wouldn't have promoted and screamed themselves to be diff from anti national congress party .
Why don't all the people who question patriotism of others not go to border and fight with army instead of ganging up against a university ?

Where were these BJP/RSS goons when army veterans were assaulted in Delhi - was that was a national pride for these people , where was the outrage

Where is justice for those who died in pathakot ? kya hua BJP ki pakistan policy ko ? now their policy is no diff to what congress had 👎🏼

Sadly i can say same for your argument , a convenient justification.
- What does this issue has to do with supporting BJP ? Why just to support BJP I must overlook the fact that these "innocent" students were celebrating a terrorist in their campus? Why should I overlook the fact these so called students had beaten up two army ex JNU students when they had protested on anti indian poetry in so called cultural event few years back.. Wht BJP did with army veterans was wrong but does that justify those morons who called for division of India and does that justify their anti indian sloganeering...
Just look beyond your hatred for this government , calling for India k sau tukde is no proof of patriotism of these "innocent" students .. no one needs to be a soldier to understand that.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vedika211

Also organising a public meeting about any issue is not illegal in India. Any citizen of India who has a problem can call a public meeting to discuss that concern with other citizens. It is so ironic that the JNU students followed all the peaceful methods of expressing dissent - public meetings, slogans and demonstrations - and they are branded anti-national while other people (the Jats right now for example) protest through violence but are not seen as anti-national.



To what extent should anti-national sloganeering/seditious speech in university campuses be tolerated under the guise of free speech? India faces a high threat from terrorism, we don't know to what extent anti-national organisations have infiltrated campuses across India, and how many of these student groups are a front for these organisation, any speech that emboldens, encourages, influences armed struggle against the state, need to be dealt with seriously. The excuse that these are "harmless" students is absurd, how do you know?, Islamist groups have infiltrated several universities in the UK, one guy who attended a university here in London went on to become Jihadi John. This was not a "peaceful" protest.

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