Swara bhaskar abuses (mods move it to debate mansion) - Page 12

Originally posted by: gatheringstorm

So why not publish a paper or write an article on it?? Why make distasteful slogans demanding India be broken up.

And what about the families of those security personnel who were martyred in that attack on the Parliament?? Should our empathy not lie with them too?? Its a shame that a time has come when in the name of intellectual pursuit terrorists are being sympathised with on whose guilt a majority judgement was passed by the courts.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/the-case-against-afzal/article4397845.ece

P.S. I don't see where the verdict of the Supreme Court hinted at his innocence, the only point of debate was whether he should have been awarded the death sentence because he was a planner and conspirator and not the excecutor of the attack. Also the other debate was on how he was hanged without sufficient intimation to his family. His culpability according to the SC was proven beyond doubt.

Originally posted by: gatheringstorm

Soon those outsiders will be identified as ABVP activists who masterminded the whole plan in the first place, waiting for this to happen😆

Involvement of political parties should be banned in colleges, student unions should be made completely neutral.

Originally posted by: Vedika211

I am sorry I had to delete the articles because otherwise the quote would become too long.

1. As I said earlier, an event was planned that had songs, an art exhibition and a debate. I don't know if Umar was going to present anything at the event or not. But usually that is how he expresses his opinions - through papers, seminars, debates and discussions with other students of JNU. The slogans happened - on both sides - when the event was disrupted.

2. Why are you making the assumption that our empathy does not lie with the families of the martyred security personnel? These people at JNU, they hold rallies and demonstrations for the poorest of the poor - for the landless labourers, for the Adivasis and for the poor Dalits. They were at the forefront of the Nirbhaya campaign to make Delhi safer. And they have held rallies for pension rights for soldiers too. If you ask for the capital punishment to be revoked, it does not automatically mean that you are against the people who were the victims of the crime.

3. As for the judgement, I have found a copy online and am reading it. That way I will be able to answer your question properly and with certainty. However, what I will say is that my point was this: he is working within a thinking framework that already exists in the country, and so is not formulating a radically new hatred-filled idea of the Indian nation.

Originally posted by: Vedika211

The sloganeering happened in a context when an event which was to be held for discussion was forcibly disrupted. I will say this again. To raise slogans is not the same as hate speech. The world over, a lot of people and movements ask for freedom. The successful ones become freedom struggles while the unsuccessful ones become terrorist movements. Governments have their own ways of dealing with these things - they put down some uprisings violently, they enforce military rule in some places, and they allow some places for people to have rallies and raise slogans. The last named are always seen as peaceful when compared to the others. India too has always had strong secessionist movements, with Khalistan being one example. As time went by, some got diffused and forgotten. That is why I feel that a group of people raising slogans is not a threat, neither to my nationalism nor to my country. But arresting that group and beating them up is a threat - precisely because it actually empowers the true terrorists, because now they can tell people "see peaceful protest is never going to get you anywhere".

Originally posted by: ~*sindhu*~

The biggest anti nationals for this country will always be these political parties...

Originally posted by: gatheringstorm

@Bold you speak from personal experience, do not mind my asking but are you acquainted with him??

Originally posted by: ChotaBheem

Point to make

Koi pura university ko bura nahin keh raha hai

Kuch students ko doshi maan rahe hai

The usual defense is u cant blame whole university. bhai puri university ko kyun le ate ho.

Kamal hai kuch student puri university ko represent karte hain kya ?