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Posted: 10 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: ShylockHolmes

I think this is not about freedom of speech and stuff

This video have borderline hate speech towards women
While some people may claim it might open debate ,fact is lot of debate had already happend when the incident took place.
Speeches in parliament,strict laws passing , street wide protests, tv debates ,news articles etc already have taken place.
This video particulary add nothing to value.
except mybe rapist and lawyer doing character assanition of victims
Defense lawyers statements have already given statement like this
While i agree there are some people who look upon their views there are also a group of people who would find some basis in their statements.
Also majority who might have such views would not be interrsted in tv debates or social media debatea.


and these are the people that should be targeted and they are the ones whose minds have to be changed...that a rapist is the only one who is responsible for rape...just because nothing has worked up till now...doesn't mean that people should give up...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: TheRowdiest


i was watching newshour and Arnab mentioned this too that how some ppl are using this reason to defend this documentary

its not abt accepting the reality , ban didn't happen bcz of this ... its abt glorifying the rapists , how they are getting a chance to tell every detail abt the horrific rape , accuse the victim , some victims are alive , getting publicity and these documentary film makers are promoting it for commercial reasons

Rapes happen in the USA too , why they have to come to india to know the mindset of rapists ????

watch newshour's today's discussion ... i recommend


Precisely Minnie.
Alaska has highest rate of Rapes. Can we please have documentary on it rather than going to India?

And again, I don't want to start another US vs India argument. Blaming countries is not a real issue here. Rape is.


BUT, These documentary people are NOT going to help taking any steps.

Even if the documentary airs, There will be Candle marches again. Nothing New.


And for one, I do NOT want to see that scumbag's face. DO NOT want to understand his mindset. Coz I know he doesn't have any.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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The idea of rapists having a documentary centered around them doesn't sit well with me. They don't deserve the luxury of having a VOICE and the chance to tell their side. Doubt a simple documentary will be enough to incite change. Everyone is already aware of the issue at hand(this case especially is highly publicized) but there isn't much progress being made.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: atominis



I think even adults are not mature to handle it in right spirit. They become more fearful for their daughters and women in family. I actually saw comments on Twitter and FB agreeing with statements of rapist as reported by media and blaming women for wearing jeans, being outside etc.

This documentary has greater potential to create misogyny and fear psychosis than awareness.



A documentary cannot create something that already exists so rampantly in Indian society, but it can expose these people and their sick mentality to the public. People think that once these rapists are caught, sentenced and thrown in jail, that justice is served, but no, these guys are not sorry for their actions, no repentance, no remorse, no realisation, nothing, if anything, they get a roof over their heads, food, a daily routine, and a place to hang out with others like them, probably a better deal than what they had outside.

These guys need to be shamed, society needs to know what they're dealing with, sweeping it underneath the carpet out of fear is giving more power to them, you can't start to tackle a problem if you're not aware of it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: atominis



I think even adults are not mature to handle it in right spirit. They become more fearful for their daughters and women in family. I actually saw comments on Twitter and FB agreeing with statements of rapist as reported by media and blaming women for wearing jeans, being outside etc.

This documentary has greater potential to create misogyny and fear psychosis than awareness.


@Bold- I agree.

It changes No one's views. And if doesn't changes anything. Do we seriously need another debate?

Working towards it is a lot more priority.

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Posted: 10 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: atominis



Nirbhaya's rapists were openly blaming her and women for rape. Another rapist who raped a minor brutally was describing in detail how he raped her. Their defense lawyers and many officials were giving statements like, if you can't prevent rape then enjoy it or if a sweet is outside then dogs are going to eat it...

Critics say this promotes misogyny and insults victims and their families as the graphic detail will make them relive trauma. It's called a shameless publicity stunt.

I personally feel it might scare people especially girls' parents and it might encourage those who have such views themselves.

Another criticism is that it spoils image of India and its men. But I don't believe that.

Curently government has ordered not to even upload it online let alone air it.


@ bold -- Once again. You nailed it. 👍🏼

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: blue-ice



@bold...some people are so shameless that its appaling🤢

Like I said my only concern is for the victim's families...previously I thought it is only about Nirbhaya but now it looks like there are more victims mentioned in the documentary..their consent to air this should be most important ..

I can understand completely why people are saying it shouldn't be aired...but in my opinion...we cannot avoid a problem by NOT facing it for whatever reason...I know it will be hard...but sometimes that is the only way...I feel that it is important to listen to these rapists and then people, psychology experts, police, legal experts, and most importantly...the woman have to speak against these rapists and emphasize how and why they are wrong...to make it clear...there is no way in hell that a rapist can be ever glorified ...but if u want to clean the shit ...ur hands might get a little dirty in the process...so yes it will be hurtful...yes it will be hard to listen...yes we will feel like killing those bas***ds...but isn't that we want...Don't you want Indians hurt enough to not tolerate another rape??...Just turning our face from a problem is not enough.



People lack that maturity!

Experts might debate.

But the ordinary person is going to either get scared or endorse these views.

I know how my family reacted. After Nirbhaya case coverage, there was fear psychosis. Grandparents didn't even allow us to go out with extended family in tow post 7 PM! One of my relatives even said he understood now why girl child was unwanted and why female foeticide happens.

They get scared and feel burdened with concerns for girl's safety.

I am aware of a few coaching centres that have stopped admitting female students as they claim they can't take responsibility for their safety.

A senior medical officer has banned entry of females in his office. He is scared as he doesn't want possibility of any case.

The extensive media coverage is proving to be counter productive.

People instead feel helpless seeing men like that and all pressure is again shifted to the girl.

Then of course you have MCPs who say it's girl's fault. And they concur with such statements. They don't change. They worsen instead. Remember Hema's character in Baghban? She tells her granddaughter that times never change for a woman when she saves her from sexual assault. That is how people react.

The docu has full on hate speech saying beggar girls can be raped as they have no value or comparing women to meat and men to dogs blah blah. There's every chance of it backfiring instead. I don't know but as much as I want these issues to be highlighted, I don't want to see those rape victims humiliated again with such cheap narratives by unrepentant beasts. And so called lawyers. I don't want families to get more fearful and despondent about females in their families.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I wud spend a 100 bucks to watch a documentary in which they show how badly these rapists/killers r being tortured behind bars... yes, I wud.
I dont want to see what these animals think abt their crimes, nope. If their interviews can be so disturbing for us, imagine what the victims' families wud go thru.

If u wanna make documentary, make it in a way the potential rapists wud think 100times b4 making their f**ked up fantasy into real crime, do not scare ppl for letting their daughters out of the house.

I Watch CI (crime & Investigation) regularly, also sometimes, Savdhan India, Crime patrol etc.. the end msg is positive.

On CI, I have seen interviews of convicts on death raw but its edited with caution. The main purpose is to find out the mindset of the convict and if its nature or nurture or both that made them commit the crime.. something useful to avoid future potential crimes and the red flags to be recognised.

DO NOT GLORIFY THE SICKOS IN THE NAME OF DOCUMENTARY... AND PUNISH THE VICTIM FAMILIES MORE THAN THEY CAN HANDLE.

Yes, ban them, if its giving negative vibes, graphic details, and names suppression is already been lifted.

Learn something from CI type of channel documentaries as to how to dramatize the incident and not traumatize the families. And in the end, how they solved the crime and a msg that "crime doesnt pay".

In the whole world, there may be 100 times more crims on the streets than those behind bars. Harsh truth it may be, there r millions of good ppl in comparisions. Show the good side of humanity and how the unsung heros deal with these crims..

NZ govt adviced NZ parents not to show twin towers collapsing pictures on tv to their under 12 years all the times, they didnt ban it but it was almost like PG.

Some things r best being not watched.. even one grey cell in the brain can imagine how horrific it must have been. To torture the brains and emotions to an extent of of being tortured, thinking violence, helplessness and depression is NOT the part of any documentary.. as far as I know.








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Posted: 10 years ago
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Skep ji...I understand what u r saying...trust me ...but I feel sad that people in India have lost hope...its a feeling of being stuck between a rock and a hard place...on one hand the girls are not safe...they are scared to go out and on the other hand people are not ready to watch a documentary just because it will further enhance the fear that they already have...The losers in this situation are the young girls who are not able to live and enjoy their life the way they should and deserve...tough situation to be in🤔
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Posted: 10 years ago
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If parents are not on board, documentary shouldn't be released.
As for the debate I sorta agree with both sides. But then again if a section of people were really mature, we wouldn't be seeing stupid statements thrown in our faces. So really not sure if such a section is ready for this documentary to pick out the wrong mentality. More than a documentary, which might not even reach every household, other alternatives should be considered to eradicate the mentality. This mentality persists everywhere from urban to rural households and from educated to illiterate people. So more than a documentary, I would love to see a project specifically designed to reach every ear. And If this documentary is in English and directed from an outsider's POV, then mehhh, I don't see how it has the capacity to tattle the entire nation.

Btw, it's just funny to see Freida as the face of the documentary, someone who doesn't even give two hoots about India. Wish someone more credible was on board.
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