My final conclusion - I think Sonali could be lying - Page 9

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Posted: 10 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: hippopotamus


that could just be nature of the issue. nowhere it talks about burden being on accused or accuser. it even says that committee wil try to negotiate first.

i think you have misread it. if anything burden of proof is on no one and it is that committee which will probably ask both and come to a conclusion


That is correct. But the burden of proof is not on the accuser in India. In Vishakha case she had to gather all the proofs which was against the CEO of the company and all the evidences were siphoned off after she was sacked from the firm, this law came into effect. In the case there was no committee to investigate in the first place so after a lot of hassles women group came to assist her and with the help of IB they could crack the case, though most of the evidence were not there. She though had some sort of circumstantial evidence but after this law. A woman need not have a irrefutable poof to make the allegation.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: QueenOfMyCastle

I agree with ur take...when u live in close proximity with a person in the house, accidental touches are bound to happen. Ali and Sonali have spent a lot of one on one time too.

Yes she did not give him consent to touch her...but did she take consent before putting her head on Gautam's shoulder? How about giving consent to Gautam and Upen for wherever they have touched her? If she was such a upright and straight forward girl, she would have made that clear by her behavior. As you rightly pointed look at Karishma and Minisha...


This is a key point Queen...we are using consent as if it is consent for physical intimacy...and that two between strangers...they were friends enough to sit in one bed..how are u then going to know consent for touching? by hit and trial...with gautam it worked ..with ali it did not

and on top of that we have no evidence...

so least we can do is be neutral..but no we are calling him bad names,...we are using language that is used with rapists...NO means NO...well that is more for abusers.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: QueenOfMyCastle

I agree with ur take...when u live in close proximity with a person in the house, accidental touches are bound to happen. Ali and Sonali have spent a lot of one on one time too.

Yes she did not give him consent to touch her...but did she take consent before putting her head on Gautam's shoulder? How about giving consent to Gautam and Upen for wherever they have touched her? If she was such a upright and straight forward girl, she would have made that clear by her behavior. As you rightly pointed look at Karishma and Minisha...


again same thing...u cant compare it with her relations with upen nd gautam...
comeon
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Posted: 10 years ago
#84
Oh I did forget to mention...when Ali had started to put the blankets on himself (yes multiple) I did find it weird...coz one should have been sufficient but it was not apparently. So as far as intent goes I am on the fence...
But in India men have the tendency to think that if a girl is touchy feely with a few of her friends, she is okay with other not so friendly guys touching her...

Yes call me old fashioned...but I do believe that sometimes a girl's behavior is the source of problem. But only sometimes...I am not saying Sonali asked for it...but she has been quite liberal on National TV to give the other guys a wrong impression.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: kaushikbasu


That is correct. But the burden of proof is not on the accuser in India. In Vishakha case she had to gather all the proofs which was against the CEO of the company and all the evidences were siphoned off after she was sacked from the firm, this law came into effect. In the case there was no committee to investigate in the first place so after a lot of hassles women group came to assist her and with the help of IB they could crack the case, though most of the evidence were not there. She though had some sort of circumstantial evidence but after this law. A woman need not have a irrefutable poof to make the allegation.


no one needs proof to make...they need proof to prove

however i dont know..maybe u r right. however from readings on burden of proof in such cases it seems it is still on accused...and they do acknowledge that this a hurdle in people coming out since they think burden is on us...they do discuss it as a problem but you cannot hold anyone guilty.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: hippopotamus


This is a key point Queen...we are using consent as if it is consent for physical intimacy...and that two between strangers...they were friends enough to sit in one bed..how are u then going to know consent for touching? by hit and trial...with gautam it worked ..with ali it did not

and on top of that we have no evidence...

so least we can do is be neutral..but no we are calling him bad names,...we are using language that is used with rapists...NO means NO...well that is more for abusers.


Lol...trial and error method...😆


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Posted: 10 years ago
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My problem with Sonali's reaction is that it was too thanda, any girl I know would SCREAM and shout at someone who misbehaves with them - but the way she went about it was kind of...I dunno...it seemed strategized especially because she walked away and then came back and started! Just seemed of to me.
and again, would Ali REALLY misbehave in a place where there are so many cameras? It just seems too stupid, even for him!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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specially when upen was besides sonali and aarya was behind ali
so he saw that time to feel her up? lol

of course it was just a touch that we do among friends..like some would massage your shoulder...type stuff


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: akankshaArsha


again same thing...u cant compare it with her relations with upen nd gautam...
comeon

Agreed...we cannot compare their relationships...and I mean "we" and in YOU and I. On what basis are you defining her relation with Upen and Gautam? and then compating it with her relation with Ali? Did she send you a memo? Right now...based on what is shown everyone there is either friends or housemates and they are all spending a lot of time with each other in groups or one on one.

Sonali was okay to sit and chat with him...she kept smiling at him, laughing at his jokes and twirling/playing with her pair...These are signs a girl is flirting with you...could be that Ali got the wrong message. She does have a habit of pushing and shoving during conversations too...


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Posted: 10 years ago
#90
Only reason for such a strict action from BB could be legal fear. I dont know but maybe they could be susceptible in case they did not satisfy sonali. That is what gautam knew and hence his plan. lol

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