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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: samaira_samy

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You know this is the beauty of this show, that characters like Ashwin and Vandana were the one who saw through Maya's facade. The characters, you cannot root for. And you are secretly hoping them to fall flat on their face with their judgments. But turns out, they've been right all along.

I don't know why Maya being Ashwin's killer was such a big deal? That monster deserved the worst death ever IMO. And I didn't mind Maya ripping him apart.

Vandana is a character who annoyed me, had her cringe-worthy moments, but I never hated her. When she was on a rant against Maya(way before their marriage), she was going on and on about how Arjun would feel suffocated in her love. I was like she is downright judgmental, but this lady has got a point here. I have got relatives, who with their orthodox thinking makes me want to gouge my eyes out at family gatherings. Maybe this is the reason that I find Vandana tolerable.

You can call it empathy(in reference to Maya's saving her mother), but from where I see this, I only think it is to be her obsessive compulsive disorder to keep things her way. She wouldn't mind risking her own life, to get what she wants. That's where I agree with @shruthi, you can get this kind of results, if you strategize it right. And about her burning her hands for Saanjh, I think it to be a facade. This theory has not been proved yet, so I'll chuck it for the time being.
I agree with you not all psychopaths are criminal. These are called successful psychopaths. They generally don't opt for the criminal route. Most of the psychopaths use their traits to get what they want at the expense of others.

Psychopaths don't have emotional feelings for a particular person or thing. Even, if they think they love someone, it is not a deep attachment. Because, they are built that way. They observe feelings or thoughts of others, but they certainly don't feel them.Their feelings for a person can change in the blink of an eye. What used to be their obsessive love can turn into sheer hatred for the same person.That is what happened to Jhanvi. And this is the reason why I think she never loved Arjun either. I think she doesn't even understand what love is.

Really, there is a post on Maya's analysis. I would love to read that.


Yeah so true abt Vandana. I don't hate Vandana. She has just irritated me to the core. Infact in all these characters of Beyhadh, I find Vandana is the most real character. There are mothers like this, who just care abt their son's , they are superstitious, judgemental. Just that I am personally not fond of them.. Though now the character has kind of grown on me.

Ashwin I will say was a pure evil ... For me Maya's worst crime was getting an innocent like Ayan imprisoned. I never believed murder to be the ultimate crime. That too someone like Ashwin.

Blue- Agree, Maya has OCPD. Very extreme case of that. Sometimes I feel she isn't psychopathic. But has OCPD. Because psychopaths are not so much emotionally involved with anyone.
Though not love, but Maya has an extreme attachment with Arjun. She can do anything for him. Earlier Jhanvi was that person, but when Arjun entered, he took that spot, hence she doesn't even hesitate to harm her own mother, child, or Saanjh.
For Saanjh I feel she was Spl for Arjun, hence that was a genuine gesture, but when she thought the friendship is a threat to her, she decided to remove her ... Like the baby she wants for Arjun to stay near her, but as soon as she feels he's getting more attached to the baby, she won't hesitate to remove the baby.

Anyway waiting for Cvs to reveal what illness Maya has, maybe she has both OCPD patient n psychopath.. also it's a daily soap , so anything can happen😆

That post I am unable to find.
The writer was doing the grading n updating as well, maybe she updates with more incidents from her past getting revealed.
The last I checked, Maya's score was 18-19/40. Cut off is 30, so she's very close to be called a psychopath. As of now she's an extreme case of OCPD.

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Posted: 8 years ago
@aditi VMs gesture wouldnt have cured her instantly or removed the effect of her past crimes. But if she had accepted or as you rightly said given ashirvaad that day, allowed Jhanvi to be bought to that apartment, shown a bit of empathy maybe Maya could have been treated. There was a better chance of her survival beyond those security cameras.
Judgement are neither right nor wrong if you make them observing one part of the story. Because problem is there, that's why we are able to make those judgement. But it is like seeing glass half empty or half full. When you take only negative, you will get more negativity, but if one positive is taken more positives can come.

We love to take negative as negative gives security let us stay away from it. We are afraid to take positive because we dont want to take chance.

We talk about Mahalakshmi. We see the picture of Mahalaskhmi with all jewellery sitting on a Lotus giving ashirvaad or giving money. But even if Mahalaskhmi stands in front of you, you wont see her, but only see the dirt surrounding her as she sits on the Lotus that blooms out of dirt 😆.

Mahalakshmi and Narayan dont come in packages people have seen in photos. It is like that Oh My God movie where Akshay Kumar tells those photos are old fashioned 😆😆 , Gods have also changed with times 😆😆

Diamond is found in dirt, gold is found in mud. You have to polish it, heat it to see its glow. People holding the diamond doesnt know its journey and think from beginning it is like that. Hence only an experienced eye will be able to see diamond from mud, not someone who has just seen diamond. Journey is important than destination.
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Posted: 8 years ago
You can read it here. Maya's score is 18, cut off is 30 out of 40.
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4842228
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

You can read it here. Maya's score is 18, cut off is 30 out of 40.

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4842228


Ohh okay it's 30, I will edit my post then..



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Posted: 8 years ago
6/6/2017

Samay ne Samay ko palat diya. I knew the moment I heard this dialogue we are going into the past. We are going to see the power of time over powering Maya. And today we saw it. Yes the past which never belonged to Maya. The past which has created this Maya has come back to bite. Come back to tell you live as long as I allow you. Yes that's the universal truth. If time goes from our hand, if we allow time to control us, our past to control us we are on our way to destruction. As I said earlier also perceptions are created based on past and if perceptions are used to make judgements, to satisfy our ego we will not only destroy ourselves, but also our loved ones.
Life is not there in past, life is only in present and the one who understand present lives. That is one who understands time.
Yes Maya's past had lot of issues where she was a victim, but what went wrong is that she used to create those experiences to victimize others. Use the same scale to guage everyone. Yes experience makes you snatch oppourtunity, but experience also makes you rigid in your views about everything, unless you are open to new thoughts.

Samay the metaphor and Samay the man is like Maya's shadow. All of Maya's actions are recorded by Karmasakshi and all of Maya's actions are with Samay the man. Yes he threatns Maya with punishment if she doesnt listen to him. If she doesnt love him. She cannot love Arjun alone, she has to love him. She has to satisfy his lust. Yes Maya who once had surrendered to Rajiv cannot love another man in her life. Cannot give her heart to another man.

Samay calls Arjun the dog. He wants to kill Arjun. Yes Samay wants to kill Arjun for sometime. Because Arjun gives Maya the power to fight. Arjun's voice is enough for her to fight the power of time. Arjun makes her strong from vulnerable. His love gives strength to her. But she doesnt recognize this. She doesnt know that she doesnt have to do any more bad deeds. Arjun belongs to her. She just have to come clean with him. He will accept her for what she is. Only that much she needs to do. Just that much.

Saanjh is trying to open her father's account. On whom Prem had trust. Whom does love trust. I feel it has to be time. Yes only time can show the value of love. We need to know there is a lot of difference between power of time and time. Power of time is past, but time is present. One who understands present understands love.

It was one of the best episodes as far as the metaphor of Samay and Maya goes.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Guys one more thing I forgot to put. Past is going to be recreated. Past where Saanjh has Arjun and Maya is with Samay. Maya back in the dirt from where she wanted to escape desperately. But Samay or time brings her back there.
One more thing Saanjh tells if she expose Maya, Samay will be done with. No, she cannot expose Maya directly. She needs to follow Samay to expose Maya. Samay is the road, Maya the destination. If she keeps Maya the road, then what she will get is more sadness and more destruction.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Guys one more thing I forgot to put. Past is going to be recreated. Past where Saanjh has Arjun and Maya is with Samay. Maya back in the dirt from where she wanted to escape desperately. But Samay or time brings her back there.

One more thing Saanjh tells if she expose Maya, Samay will be done with. No, she cannot expose Maya directly. She needs to follow Samay to expose Maya. Samay is the road, Maya the destination. If she keeps Maya the road, then what she will get is more sadness and more destruction.

As per KT IV hints, more are destined to die and some would come back!
Is this riddle meant as a ploy to raise suspense level?
The meaning of dead persons coming back in the show means, it is time for back story!
More people losing life means carnage continues, unabated even in P3! So, no redemption track?
The bad people are the last ones to lose life, perhaps!
The few good ones may stand till the end with no happiness to celebrate!
Love is good but beyhadh love is not good!
Is that the moral of story?
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Posted: 8 years ago
@Fernandes havent you heard if exceeded in capacity even nectar is poison. Everything in the world needs balance. Life sustains because of balance. Everything has to be in limits. If one crosses the limit, something else has to cross the limit to put the first thing in place.
If you use past to make judgements, history will repeat, destruction will happen. It's the universal truth. If you dont learn from your past and make corrections you will be wiped out, generations will be wiped out, civilizations will be wiped out.
Nobody has gained anything from fighting a war. It doesnt matter who wins and who loses. Dead will be gone. But the one living will carry the burden of the war. So atleast you have to be clear on why you are fighting the war. It should not be for a person, place or anything material. It has to be to establish the right knowledge.

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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Fernandes havent you heard if exceeded in capacity even nectar is poison. Everything in the world needs balance. Life sustains because of balance. Everything has to be in limits. If one crosses the limit, something else has to cross the limit to put the first thing in place.

If you use past to make judgements, history will repeat, destruction will happen. It's the universal truth. If you dont learn from your past and make corrections you will be wiped out, generations will be wiped out, civilizations will be wiped out.
Nobody has gained anything from fighting a war. It doesnt matter who wins and who loses. Dead will be gone. But the one living will carry the burden of the war. So atleast you have to be clear on why you are fighting the war. It should not be for a person, place or anything material. It has to be to establish the right knowledge.

I agree! But even before going to nectar, in this world we do know every one has different tastes & different tolerance levels!
One person's food is another person's poison! One person's hadh is another person's beyhadh!
What is the war about?
Maya's philosophy is her interest in Arjun stands first and any number of persons dying for that objective is not going to perturb her! This is exactly opposite of what Lord Krishna preached to Arjuna in Gita!
One can sacrifice a life, if you can save a community! One community can be sacrificed if a country gets saved and so on!
So, Maya's selfish interests taking precedence over larger interests of peaceful existence in the society without running the risk of losing life needlessly. is a matter of concern and anxiety to some peace lovers!


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Posted: 8 years ago
What is Saanjh's interest. Prove to Arjun Maya is bad and mad. Doesnt matter what happens to anyone else. It's now she has realized the folly of those actions far too late when her father has fallen prey to her misplaced goal of proving Maya bad and mad to Arjun.
What was Vandana's objective. Seperate Arjun and Maya. It's now she is telling I am not going to seperate them, when the price was paid by her son Ayan.

Why couldnt these 2 women simply understand Arjun is an individual over 18 years who can make decisions. If the decision goes wrong, let him pay the price, realize the mistake and come back.

Everyone is responsible for the war as the judgement was based on their perceptions. Everyone is paying the price also. War doesnt happen just because of Maya, though people love to blame only her.

Everyone loves to speak about what Krishna said, but no one knows if you need to understand him, you have to understand Arjuna.

Talking about Krishna without knowing Arjuna is like seeing the flower without understanding its fragrance, seeing light without knowing the space/vaccum.

Anyways my views will never match with yours. So let us agree to disagree

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