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sunithi

@sunithi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#341

@aditi..what time Arjun left saanj hand,has to be seen.he left her after samay and Maya confronation...on the hour need,he was there for saanj..what samay said was true,its arjun thinking he can only bring saanj out of the mess,but samay slap did brought saanj back to sense...thats what arjun is suppose to realise or he knows he jux acts as duffer...then when Maya wanted to kill saanj,maya want to do that after seeing Arjun and saanj picture.not after the egg burnt..she wanted to kill saanj when Arjun went to make his so called decision...he says he chosen Maya and but his heart and thoughts was filled with saanj,what Maya sais was correct,u ve taken a decision but not sticking to it..after that he tries to show Maya u r my baby carrier..

In which way his decision of leaving shown his loyalty??.did he stick to it..after cmg to Maya,thinking about saanj,made things worse..maya wanted saanj and samay to get married..Arjun past doing not leaving Maya to trust him Sameway now Maya past going to test her loyalty to Arjun??will she be shown loyal to Arjun or not???..for that v need to see samaya past...

Her flying kiss made to be big loyalty question in future episodes,she sowed the seeds,she will repent for it..she did cross the line of loyalty there,v need to wait what she gonna say about that but Arjun and loyalty is a big question mark for me..

Cmg to samay,I agree to you as of now Maya is a hypocrite and that's y she is going to pay for it and her fear made me feel so happy..I don't ve any sympathy for her...she deserves that torture.

She is a hypocrite mom,speaks so much but zero concern for baby..Arjun can never make Maya trust or give that selfless love,but her baby can give,she can change..for that she should lose her knight the great duffer...

Her problem arises there,she thinks Arjun is bola,is he???is he really duffer???.he says No1 wanted to separate them to Maya,is he not aware he was the one who went and cribbed his probs to Ayan,VM..saanj wants to separate Arjun from Maya as she feels Arjun is not happy and want Arjun for herself.is Arjun not aware really???I doubt it..

Problem here is every1 thinks Arjun is duffer and trying to protect him from each other but really is he a duffer???is it a perception???

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tanvismile

@tanvismile

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Posted: 8 years ago

#342

Arjun broke all relations with saanjh and came back to Maya. Though arjun broke, he knows that this is the time where dusky needs him the most. So he feels guilty and his heart and mind fills with dusky s thoughts. Isn't it natural for arjun? Now for thinking also he is wrong. Maya is wrong to stop him going to saanjh when saanjh is in such big mess created by maya only. So here also arjun is wrong. Unbelievable!

Arjun saying baby is top priority and his love or anything that doesn't change his love for maya. Did he say he won't love maya? It's maya s twisted thought system that made her feel jealous. Arjun is not wrong. No matter what arjun does he will always be blamed.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#343

Guys one thing you need to know is where is the power. Maya the metaphor is a medium that uses the power for destruction. Which power nexus has to be broken for love to win. See for me killing Ravan is easy, but it takes ages to kill the Ravan in people's minds. People carrying Ravan in their minds, at the same time showing Ram in dialogues are the worst enemies of humanity than Ravan himself.

Because Ravan affects one person, but these people destroy generation after generation with their maligned thoughts.

For me if you want to kill Maya the girl it's not a big deal. Just press the right buttons. She herself will go crazy and committ suicide or something disastrous that can be life threatening for her. What will you do about Maya the perception that hangs over the head of the child in Maya's womb.

Coming to Arjun there is a big inconsistency in him if I look from season 1. All the other characters are consistent, including VM as all their goals are defined. But this man is inconsistent in lot of ways.

Just before wedding he says he is a PHD in telling lies to Ayan. Just after Maya pregnancy he goes and tells ILU to Saanjh. In S2 he gets beaten up by a man. When we think he feels suffocated in control of Maya he tells Maya is bimar. She has anger issues. He puts his brother in jail choosing Maya. Then tells if he reduces her madness her love will be reduced ( this was completely confusing 😕). Then in front of Lord Ganesha tells Maya cannot have the child because Maya doesnt know the limit. Then to Maya confesses love, give her a feeling he is protecting baby. He goes to Prem's funeral accepted, but behaves rather rudely with Maya when he goes again for Saanjh. Agreed Maya was mad. But then Arjun knows Maya is mad or her madness cannot be reduced in 1 day. A bit of consideration accepted there, which he doesnt show. Again he puts the omlette goes to Jhanvi and tells Maya bimar hai 😕. He knows Maya understands his disconnect with her.

So completely he is a messy package at this point who seems to have no goal. But thinking I have managed to get 2 goals for him.

On positive side he is targetting the hypocrite and wants to get the hypocrite exposed and he has kept all his cards on his bestie Saanjh and his life Ayan . He is playing with them for the larger benefit.

On negative side he wants Maya's wealth for luxury and wants Saanjh for his life partner. Playing with all of them so that Maya destroys herself, child will ensure wealth and of course he can marry Saanjh for the baby.

One of these motives is there for him. Let us hope it is not the negative one, because if wealth of Maya and Saanjh goes to him with child then he will be no different from Ashwin.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#344

@Darling yes I had expected that victim card in her. Because victim card is what is used by sob story. You do what you want and then play victim. In season 1 Maya was not a victim, she didnt play victim. But in season 2 we see her playing victim increasingly. The problem with society is that the sob story is accepted while real victims languish, because many dont know to play victim.

One more thing you need to know is that Maya or perception thrives on victimhood, till you get the real victim.

Every bad act belongs to Maya. Yes Maya is bad and mad, but does that give others to be bad and point fingers at her. Maya is mostly a reactionary force that reacts in a wrong way. But the one who pressed the button for Maya gets away because only the reactionary action is seen.

Yes Maya the woman has a choice, choice not to react the way she is expected to react. If she has to change she has to act. But at this point we see only she reacting.

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Aayushi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#345

Originally posted by: tanvismile
Arjun broke all relations with saanjh and came back to Maya. Though arjun broke, he knows that this is the time where dusky needs him the most. So he feels guilty and his heart and mind fills with dusky s thoughts. Isn't it natural for arjun? Now for thinking also he is wrong. Maya is wrong to stop him going to saanjh when saanjh is in such big mess created by maya only. So here also arjun is wrong. Unbelievable!
Arjun saying baby is top priority and his love or anything that doesn't change his love for maya. Did he say he won't love maya? It's maya s twisted thought system that made her feel jealous. Arjun is not wrong. No matter what arjun does he will always be blamed.

As much as I want to agree with you, I cannot deny the fact Arjun is at fault.

Why would anyone in their sane mind, tell someone so neurotic, that she should get used to the fact that she is not his first priority? And, this is the same man who was warning his mother to not to trigger his psychotic wife. He didn't want to have a child because he knew Maya would ruin the baby in her jealousy. If he knows that much, why would he tell his control freak wife that from now on everything would be according to the baby? Isn't that triggering?

He thinks he can cure his wife with love. Yes, love is indeed needed to help any sick person. But, you've gotta seek medical help too. Vandana asked him to consider mental asylum for well being of his upcoming child and Maya. But, Arjun Sharma doesn't listen to any advice.

I agree, no man would do this much for his mentally-ill wife. No one would cut off from the world like that, to help his wife. But, I can't deny this fact either, that he is the sole reason of this destruction.

But, I can agree with this, he cannot be held responsible for Maya's condition. She was this messed up from the start IMO.

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Aayushi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#346

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
Guys one thing you need to know is where is the power. Maya the metaphor is a medium that uses the power for destruction. Which power nexus has to be broken for love to win. See for me killing Ravan is easy, but it takes ages to kill the Ravan in people's minds. People carrying Ravan in their minds, at the same time showing Ram in dialogues are the worst enemies of humanity than Ravan himself.
Because Ravan affects one person, but these people destroy generation after generation with their maligned thoughts.
For me if you want to kill Maya the girl it's not a big deal. Just press the right buttons. She herself will go crazy and committ suicide or something disastrous that can be life threatening for her. What will you do about Maya the perception that hangs over the head of the child in Maya's womb.

Coming to Arjun there is a big inconsistency in him if I look from season 1. All the other characters are consistent, including VM as all their goals are defined. But this man is inconsistent in lot of ways.

Just before wedding he says he is a PHD in telling lies to Ayan. Just after Maya pregnancy he goes and tells ILU to Saanjh. In S2 he gets beaten up by a man. When we think he feels suffocated in control of Maya he tells Maya is bimar. She has anger issues. He puts his brother in jail choosing Maya. Then tells if he reduces her madness her love will be reduced ( this was completely confusing 😕). Then in front of Lord Ganesha tells Maya cannot have the child because Maya doesnt know the limit. Then to Maya confesses love, give her a feeling he is protecting baby. He goes to Prem's funeral accepted, but behaves rather rudely with Maya when he goes again for Saanjh. Agreed Maya was mad. But then Arjun knows Maya is mad or her madness cannot be reduced in 1 day. A bit of consideration accepted there, which he doesnt show. Again he puts the omlette goes to Jhanvi and tells Maya bimar hai 😕. He knows Maya understands his disconnect with her.

So completely he is a messy package at this point who seems to have no goal. But thinking I have managed to get 2 goals for him.

On positive side he is targetting the hypocrite and wants to get the hypocrite exposed and he has kept all his cards on his bestie Saanjh and his life Ayan . He is playing with them for the larger benefit.

On negative side he wants Maya's wealth for luxury and wants Saanjh for his life partner. Playing with all of them so that Maya destroys herself, child will ensure wealth and of course he can marry Saanjh for the baby.

One of these motives is there for him. Let us hope it is not the negative one, because if wealth of Maya and Saanjh goes to him with child then he will be no different from Ashwin.

I hope your positive theory does come true. Only this way Cvs can redeem Arjun's character.

I agree with you on everything, apart from Maya's suicide thing.

She is a vengeful person, holds grudges. So, she would not commit suicide, before she puts down everyone. If I remember correctly, she said something like that before pointing gun at Saanjh.

Edited by samaira_samy - 8 years ago

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#347

@Samaira Maya has vengeful tendencies, she holds grudges also, but she has suicidal tendencies. The classic case being she jumping into the river after Jhanvi. If we see Jhanvi came out of that water un harmed but for Maya it was life threatening. So you can get the same reaction from her if something of that sort happens to Arjun. That's why I said right buttons if you know her.

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Aayushi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#348

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Samaira Maya has vengeful tendencies, she holds grudges also, but she has suicidal tendencies. The classic case being she jumping into the river after Jhanvi. If we see Jhanvi came out of that water un harmed but for Maya it was life threatening. So you can get the same reaction from her if something of that sort happens to Arjun. That's why I said right buttons if you know her.

I haven't followed that track you mentioned, so I am clueless about it. So, this sounds fair, you've gotta know Maya to get the desired result. There was only one character who actually understood Maya, and that was Ashwin. But as we all know how Maya booked him a ticket to hell. Now Ashwin being gone, next character is Vandana who's been spot on Maya's character. But I don't expect any sensible thing from this woman.

I don't think Maya has suicidal tendencies. Anyone who actually wants to call it quits, would choose a secluded area to do that. So that he/she can't be saved. She always had such thoughts when someone was around. When she wanted someone's sympathy or she wanted her desired results. If she ever had any such plans to end it all, then she would've done it like she has done all other crimes smoothly.

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#349

@Samaira Vandana doesnt know Maya. She only knows Maya through the eyes of Ashwin. That's half information. Her judgements are based on half information. There is a child before her 9th birthday in Maya. Vandana doesnt know that child. Unless that child is known, things have come to a passe where the unborn child in Maya's womb is at risk. I only want to know whether Arjun knows that part. What happened to Maya on her 9th birthday.

Because the only person who can defeat Maya the perception, the disastrous Maya the woman and save the innocent child in Maya's womb is the one who knows Maya's bad avatar as well as who was she before her 9th birthday and what happened on her 9th birthday.

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Aayushi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#350

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Samaira Vandana doesnt know Maya. She only knows Maya through the eyes of Ashwin. That's half information. Her judgements are based on half information. There is a child before her 9th birthday in Maya. Vandana doesnt know that child. Unless that child is known, things have come to a passe where the unborn child in Maya's womb is at risk. I only want to know whether Arjun knows that part. What happened to Maya on her 9th birthday.
Because the only person who can defeat Maya the perception, the disastrous Maya the woman and save the innocent child in Maya's womb is the one who knows Maya's bad avatar as well as who was she before her 9th birthday and what happened on her 9th birthday.

See that's where I disagree.

I don't believe any such incident (if it's actually happened the way it's been shown. I strongly believe there's more to Maya's childhood saga.) can trigger psychotic behavior. Yes, I agree this horrendous incident/ abuse can leave a long lasting impression. Enough to shape up an individual's life. But it cannot uproot empathy from somebody.

Empathy is something people are born with.And psychopaths don't have that for anyone. It is clinically approved fact that psychopaths are born not bred. When you believe her to be one, then you cannot say she was different before that incident.

Vandana has been right in all her assumptions and instincts about Maya. I am not just saying she is right for the sake of the argument, have some points too.

1) Vandana claimed that she knows her son well, he would feel suffocated in relationship with this eccentric woman.(Turned out to be true.)

2) Her claims of Maya being Ashwin's killer and responsible for her mother's condition turned out to be true too.

3) She orchestrated whole campaign of Maya being pagal(I hate this word a lot.I wish and hope people will start treating mental disorders with empathy and like real physical diseases. But I am not going to hold it against her for being ignorant).True to her instincts,Maya indeed is severely ill.

4) She didn't believe her son could sexually assault or assault a woman.(Wrongly accused son is behind bars probably wondering where he went wrong.)

5) Her belief of Maya destroying everyone's life,I agree was too much at that time.(But now, what's left to destroy?)

@blue: copy-pasted my post from an old thread.

Vandana had doubts about Maya before her confrontation with Ashwin. So, I do not think she sees Maaya through Ashwin's eye.

And the Bimar/ Buri argument Vandana put forward, can be proved right in future. I believe so.

Edited by samaira_samy - 8 years ago