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Guys typing from mobile. Will try to be detail as possible. First and the foremost what I liked was prem giving direction to his daughter. It was clear cut.the tatoo of Maya behind Samay. Not tatoo is behind not in front. It showed Maya is behind Samay. From metaphor perspective it is the past that create perception and if we don't understand perception it will end in destruction. Another interesting point was Maya was written in Hebrew. It shows how you don't recognise perception even if it is in front of you. Once again perception Samay acha ladka hai. Prem is breaking that perception. That acha ladka is an illusion. Sanjh has to follow her father's direction to reach truth. If she observes time through her father's eyes truth will come to her. Coming to Maya. I don't think she has any serious mental issues like mpd, bipolar or so. Her battle is between innocent child and bad Maya which on most occasions bad Maya wins.her ethical compass is flawed and now she is unable to hear the whisper of the child when situation comes.But child exist. Maya pulling her sleeves while taking Samay call is that.You can say Maya is 3rd stage of cancer that affect mind from whichever way you look death is all you can see.Maya the mother is risky for the child. Samay plays his game well. If Maya says no Samay will die. If fear of past goes power of time dies. But Maya cannot say no. Need to see what saanj is upto.hopefully she will take direction and do action. Ayan uncomfortable with Samay I loved.
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@ aditi Maya has never seen anyone doing anything for others. Only maintaining facade of change. She is also doing that. You cannot change her unless you know her problem. Arjun says you have not changed dress.it is metaphoric. Maya says her dress dirty. But she is fine with it.only telling dress change works. Now the moot question is arjun an innocent victim. Is he duffer, innocent or emotional. He says he knows what is his goal.so what is his goal. His words and actions are inconsistent. He hurt saanj with words and Maya with action. I have not yet able to decipher him. See he wants to have women under him. Reason is his childhood where he believes vm trapped his father. But that is one side to it. Maya thinks she is fooling arjun but is he getting fooled. Arjun is male protoganist of beyhadh.everyone is fighting over him and he throws dice once in a while to complicate things. Why is my question. Is arjun playing the cards his own way. If he is also playing then loyalty is Maya in arya relations.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

Guys typing from mobile. Will try to be detail as possible. First and the foremost what I liked was prem giving direction to his daughter. It was clear cut.the tatoo of Maya behind Samay. Not tatoo is behind not in front. It showed Maya is behind Samay. From metaphor perspective it is the past that create perception and if we don't understand perception it will end in destruction. Another interesting point was Maya was written in Hebrew. It shows how you don't recognise perception even if it is in front of you. Once again perception Samay acha ladka hai. Prem is breaking that perception. That acha ladka is an illusion. Sanjh has to follow her father's direction to reach truth. If she observes time through her father's eyes truth will come to her. Coming to Maya. I don't think she has any serious mental issues like mpd, bipolar or so. Her battle is between innocent child and bad Maya which on most occasions bad Maya wins.her ethical compass is flawed and now she is unable to hear the whisper of the child when situation comes.But child exist. Maya pulling her sleeves while taking Samay call is that.You can say Maya is 3rd stage of cancer that affect mind from whichever way you look death is all you can see.Maya the mother is risky for the child. Samay plays his game well. If Maya says no Samay will die. If fear of past goes power of time dies. But Maya cannot say no. Need to see what saanj is upto.hopefully she will take direction and do action. Ayan uncomfortable with Samay I loved.


Ganesha idol gave the first clue, by releasing the hidden message/paper from Vandana! It failed to progress!
Jhanvi helped Saanjh with another impossible but very vital evidence in the form of Pendrive! It flopped again!!
This time Prem's ashes (and not slippers or unexplained status of her e-mail to Samay with video or even Maya's flying kiss!) with a foreigner decoding the tatoo on Samay's back provide yet another clue!

Help is pouring to Saanjh all the time, that too from impossible sources!

Yet, the story is one step forward & two steps backward! Maya will not get caught again, surely, as pictures of her post leap adv pregnancy are doing rounds!

Maya is ruling supreme & hopefully only phase 3 can throw some light if her winning streak is there to stay or not!
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@ aditi Maya has never seen anyone doing anything for others. Only maintaining facade of change. She is also doing that. You cannot change her unless you know her problem. Arjun says you have not changed dress.it is metaphoric. Maya says her dress dirty. But she is fine with it.only telling dress change works. Now the moot question is arjun an innocent victim. Is he duffer, innocent or emotional. He says he knows what is his goal.so what is his goal. His words and actions are inconsistent. He hurt saanj with words and Maya with action. I have not yet able to decipher him. See he wants to have women under him. Reason is his childhood where he believes vm trapped his father. But that is one side to it. Maya thinks she is fooling arjun but is he getting fooled. Arjun is male protoganist of beyhadh.everyone is fighting over him and he throws dice once in a while to complicate things. Why is my question. Is arjun playing the cards his own way. If he is also playing then loyalty is Maya in arya relations.


Shruthi di for me Maya has seen Arjun doing a lot for her, though Maya's past has been horrendous and I feel for her, and she hasn't got love from her parents or MIL, or so called friend Saanjh, even her hubby wasn't true to her before the rape case. But after that Arjun has done a lot for her. Having a child itself is a big motivation for someone to change. It was even showed that Arjun took her to psychiatrist.
Maya also acknowledges this as per me, when she said "noone has seen my pain except u, everyone saw my madness." So its not that she hasn't seen love. Her issue is she likes to play victim as someone said, since she was a victim earlier and not now, she creates situations on her own to play victim.

But like u said since its a thriller any character can take a U turn, if Arjun is doing all this intentionally then the story will be something else n quite unexpectedly interesting 😉

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Posted: 8 years ago
@ aditi we all are looking at Maya and saanjh.You are right Maya is playing victim in a way. But for me she was a victim but no longer a victim. Ayan is a victim now but the beauty of last 2 epi is he is not playing victim. He accepted what he got. He is concerned abt others in a genuine way. He doesn't want saanj to burn for him .That sweet sensible ayan whom we saw in season 1is back. Ayan says my mistake was I trusted my brother. Maya trust arjun. She chose him because she thought he will give her protection from ashwin. Arjun says to jhanvi his love will cure Maya. How is a question mark. With the present actions I don't see any hope unless they have ulterior motive. What made me think abt arjun in a different line is he carries prem legacy. He is the one who gave right to saanj taking it from Samay. So what is he doing. I have still not able to connect his actions. Reason I don't know his goal. What does he want. Yes he loves Maya. But he does things that angers her. Why. Sometimes I feel he intentionally step on her Achilles heel. I won't be shocked if they show bad and mad Maya. Nor will I be shocked if Maya dies arjun married saanjh and they have arya baby. But things that can bring shock element is arjun motive. Jhanvi role in Maya childhood. Vm and mr Sharma fb. Only then its a thriller. Else it is the story of bad and mad maya which we expected.
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@ aditi Maya has never seen anyone doing anything for others. Only maintaining facade of change. She is also doing that. You cannot change her unless you know her problem. Arjun says you have not changed dress.it is metaphoric. Maya says her dress dirty. But she is fine with it.only telling dress change works. Now the moot question is arjun an innocent victim. Is he duffer, innocent or emotional. He says he knows what is his goal.so what is his goal. His words and actions are inconsistent. He hurt saanj with words and Maya with action. I have not yet able to decipher him. See he wants to have women under him. Reason is his childhood where he believes vm trapped his father. But that is one side to it. Maya thinks she is fooling arjun but is he getting fooled. Arjun is male protoganist of beyhadh.everyone is fighting over him and he throws dice once in a while to complicate things. Why is my question. Is arjun playing the cards his own way. If he is also playing then loyalty is Maya in arya relations.


This is what confuses me too, Shruti. Like I don't get is Maya controlling him or he's controlling her. When S2 stated, the things he was doing to her were perfect actions to make any wife crazy. It's as if he was doing on purpose. Ok, so she's mentally ill and he knew it, so why was he hiring a guy service to beat him up? Is that his love towards her? I would've blamed Maya had she always been like that towards him. But no, she never put cameras on him in S1 and even told him she trusts him to not do that. But as soon as he had sex with her and that time she wasn't even controlling, he asap ran to Saanjh to meet her late at night and complained about Maya's rules at house. So a wife not wanting her husband to drink is bad? All Maya wanted him to not drink, etc for his own health but he hated it and complained to Saanjh about it. At that time, she wasnt even controlling yet he already had problems with her. She made a huge dinner to celebrate the first pragnancy news, but he left her and ran to a friend who is been after him since childhood. Any wife would get hurt seeing that and then seeing him on drunk stage saying ILU and what not to that friend.


I felt bad for him in S1 seeing the way Saanjh used to treat him like her personal property and act like him wife so wanted him with Maya, but he in return after marrying her made Maya a psycho. It's like he pushed her buttons to act crazy. She already had issues from the past, and now she got a husband like Arjun who's obsessed with a friend, mother-in-law who treated her like untouchable, etc. Arjun loved her as long as she was a doormat and used to defend her against everyone, but now that she has been not, gives back to others and control him, he hates it. He hate her for it and at the same time can't leave her either because he loves her too. He did say that if Maya get cured, her love for him will decrease, right? So does he do all this on purpose so Maya acts crazy as he loves that?? Does he like attention and this crazy love for him? He did say twice to Maya in S1 that he chose and love her because of her crazy junoon and love for him. So he loves that, but at the same time hates when it in return controls him or harms others?


There's so much more I wana say, but it's just useless and gonna be too much I guess. I just don't like how makers make everyone do wrong but only make Maya the culprit in the end. Even now Samay murdered Prem, but everyone is acting as if Maya murdered him. This has been going on from day 1 of the show. Everyone first instigates her and do her wrong, but just because she is stupid enough to give them back worse, she looks bad in the end. She's has like that motto of "Ent ka Jawab patthar se."
Edited by _Darling_ - 8 years ago
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I heard now Maya justifies her acts and plays victim. I hope it's true. May be She finally learned to play at little bit like VM and Saanjh who have been doing all evils yet act saint and victim. I hated them for it from beginning. Do all wrongs but act like you didn't meant to or you are the victim especially Saanjh. From the beginning, she has done all acts like typical vamps do in shows to try creating misunderstanding b/w lovers as she did in s1 before ArYa marriage but make it look like it's something funny with funny music on, and then after marriage pretend to be Maya's well wisher but going after her husband and them act like its just friendship and she should tolerate it and when Maya retaliates, blame Maya and physically abuse to the point of killing her baby. I would have liked her character had she been honest like other vamps in shows, but her sayings and victim expressions and evil actions are never consistent. But Maya baby is still not pro like them. She should do it openly like them and then act as saint and victim. But then she also has that bad and mad person believe in her subconcscious since childhood which Ashwin has put in her mind, so no wonder whether she does right or wrong, she thinks to hide and don't really know how to do wrongs like others openly and act saint. I feel bad for her. I hope she gets her brain asap.
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Shruthi di for me Maya has seen Arjun doing a lot for her, though Maya's past has been horrendous and I feel for her, and she hasn't got love from her parents or MIL, or so called friend Saanjh, even her hubby wasn't true to her before the rape case. But after that Arjun has done a lot for her. Having a child itself is a big motivation for someone to change. It was even showed that Arjun took her to psychiatrist.
Maya also acknowledges this as per me, when she said "noone has seen my pain except u, everyone saw my madness." So its not that she hasn't seen love. Her issue is she likes to play victim as someone said, since she was a victim earlier and not now, she creates situations on her own to play victim.

But like u said since its a thriller any character can take a U turn, if Arjun is doing all this intentionally then the story will be something else n quite unexpectedly interesting 😉

after rape case,what did Arjun to do make Maya trust him..as usual lot of promises,did he stick to it.arjun makes promises like the way saanj says go to hell to him,next min patch up and breaking it. did any time Arjun shown to be sticking to his promises..every1 making her believe she will get what she wants only through her bad deeds.whenever she tried to be good,No1 protected her or given a chance..in Maya life,till now No1 showed that care or love which can make her trust...every second Arjun is telling or making a point,what I am doing this for kid not for you...he treats her as his baby carrier...Maya is wrong being jealous with the child instead she should really teach Arjun,without her,his baby won't come...baby will fight for her..baby will give what she is exoecting,that selfless pure love which she expected and expecting from Jhanvi and Arjun..to that happen,as Shruti di ,you mentioned her Arjun is bola perception should be broken,that only will lead her to think about her baby..else it's jux Maya is another jhanvi and saanj will be shirpa,Arya baby would be Arjun or Maya and that could make beyhadh nonsense..
I jux don't want samay in next season or they should toned down his scenes..he acts well but scenes r making maya more dark..def. Maya won't kill him,whatever gonna happen let it happen very fast...want the stroy to move forward ..
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Posted: 8 years ago
Arjun always chosen Maya over every1 but for that Maya belives she has to play her games..till now Maya perceived like that only...but Arjun is not that bola as VM,saanj and Maya thinks...isn't Arjun himself wanted to come out of that 2bhk..in way he played aling with maya and came out...but no1 can see that,thats how he plays it...he is not bad but not good either...when every1 can sees that and deject him,he will change and Maya will change. I still believe and hope Maya will ve a happy ending...
It's not Maya deeds to be shown,it's Arjun whose motive should be known to every1.

I still doubt Arjun has seen the video which saanj has sent Nd hid it from. Saanj and Maya. Again his words,triggered the Prem death by Maya msging samay...

I want to see more of arjun to know his action plan..he will give the reality check or get a one...saanj would be the one who will bring the real Arjun and Maya and Arya together after all she is Prem daughter..


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after rape case,what did Arjun to do make Maya trust him..as usual lot of promises,did he stick to it.arjun makes promises like the way saanj says go to hell to him,next min patch up and breaking it. did any time Arjun shown to be sticking to his promises..every1 making her believe she will get what she wants only through her bad deeds.whenever she tried to be good,No1 protected her or given a chance..in Maya life,till now No1 showed that care or love which can make her trust...every second Arjun is telling or making a point,what I am doing this for kid not for you...he treats her as his baby carrier...Maya is wrong being jealous with the child instead she should really teach Arjun,without her,his baby won't come...baby will fight for her..baby will give what she is exoecting,that selfless pure love which she expected and expecting from Jhanvi and Arjun..to that happen,as Shruti di ,you mentioned her Arjun is bola perception should be broken,that only will lead her to think about her baby..else it's jux Maya is another jhanvi and saanj will be shirpa,Arya baby would be Arjun or Maya and that could make beyhadh nonsense..
I jux don't want samay in next season or they should toned down his scenes..he acts well but scenes r making maya more dark..def. Maya won't kill him,whatever gonna happen let it happen very fast...want the stroy to move forward ..



I beg to differ from u in this. What complains did we have from Arjun.?

1) He isn't loyal and goes to Saanjh.
2) He doesn't love Maya, someone like Maya needs love, which he isn't giving
3) He doesn't take her to psychiatrist even after knowing she's bimar

Arjun has lashed out all these complains by leaving Saanjh during her worst time. He loves Maya, there is no twos abt it now. He took her to psychiatrist. Now what should he do?

What did Maya do? Since he burnt the omlet while thinking abt Saanjh, she ployed to remove Saanjh permanently from his heart by getting him beated brutally? Okay Samay beated him no doubt, Maya maybe didn't want the physical tussle, but the Maya who can kill people around just for "Arjun" didn't do anything to Samay for this, instead gave a flying kiss?!
It's not anyone else, but Maya's dialogues n actions which don't match. Earlier she was dark, but not a hypocrite, but now she's a hypocrit as well. Just like I couldn't tolerate Saanjh's hypocrisy , I am unable to tolerate Maya's hypocrisy. Does she even love Arjun? 🤔

More than love Maya wanted assurance that Arjun will be with her. That's why she wanted a baby in the beginning of S2. She has everything what she wanted, but still she's playing games. Earlier in S1 what she did was justified. Even a normal person hates his/her spouse going to their bestie of opposite gender every now and then.
But now she has no reason. It's horrible that she thinks in such a way for her own child. That means she's jealous from everyone who comes near Arjun. Saanjh is just an excuse.

Abt the baby carrier thing, I agree.
Arjun is also irredeemable for me. He can't keep any relationship. Not a good husband, fried, son, and with his duffergiri he has already risked his child's life.
But that doesn't make Maya a victim anymore.

Even if the world, VM, Jhanvi, Arjun, Saanjh etc etc, push Maya to do something, it's after all Maya's fault to take up that path. And these aren't my words, Maya herself said that to Samay. That it was his call to kill Prem. Why doesn't she apply this on herself?
Whom do u hate more, Cassius or Brutus? At least I hate Brutus more.

My views regarding Maya have changed due to Maya's own words. She is very well aware of what she's doing.


But yes like Shruthi di said, the story of a bad n mad Maya is nothing new. She's doing everything what a Vamp does, there are many shows with this theme, just that she's the FL, so there can be some twist. But till there's no twist, Maya's actions can not be justified.



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