Dance of Time and Illusion ( Episode Analysis)Part 30updated DTNTPg131

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Japrilforever

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Posted: 8 years ago

#861

Originally posted by: Laska
@shruthiravi, taking into account the result Duffer's actions, not just contradict, but directly opposite
Dusky didn't have the right to interfere. Neither at the wedding. Nor in an oath. If Duffer gave this oath, he would simply violate it like all rest. But the oath Duffer asked from Maya, and Maya give an oath
When third interfere in deal of two nothing good will happen. They can just not married because Duffer can't solve problems and Maya's fear too much

Yeah, i wish dusky hadn't interfered in the ArYa marriage and made it happen. Vandana should have just taken her son and left. That way she'd be happy with both her sons today.

Edited by lumos_31 - 8 years ago

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Nithunavi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#862

Originally posted by: lumos_31

Yeah, i wish dusky hadn't interfered in the ArYa marriage and made it happen. Vandana should have just taken her son and left. That way she'd be happy with both her sons today.

Bold- I beg to differ... If dusky didnt come to maya's marriage it would have definitely happened. Didn't u listen arjun's words before Vandy.. he said whatever may come, who ever may come or not their marriage will definitely happen.

The madam only came to spoil their marriage by creating some drama & singing that sad song she made more worse for maya & for audience.

More it was like a pity party of her rather marriage of ArYa.

Only Sanjh fans believe that ArYa marriage happened because of sanjh but the truth is she came there simply & made it more worse.

Edited by Nithunavi - 8 years ago

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kavita

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Posted: 8 years ago

#863

Nice post, Shruthi di. Well described post about all the characters. Invariably, whether Samay is good or not, loves her or not, it seems that even Saanjh does not love him. Any normal person in his place would not allow her to give importance to the Sharmas. Saanjh's ulterior motive is to separate Arya and have Arjun for herself. More than getting Ayaan out, it was more focused on Maya. Even Vandana wants just one reason to make Arjun break his relationship with Maya and do as she wishes. It has been happening from the time Arjun gave her the right of a mother. If he had not realized his mistake after hearing Maya's story, he would not have bothered to inform her about marrying Maya. He would have married her at the registration office.

You are right in saying that Saanjh complained to Arjun about Maya and Vandana never revealed what she did so as to arouse Maya's anger. If Arjun will get angry on Maya after knowing about false allegations about Ayaan and had ruthlessly crushed Vandana's hand, how he would react after knowing that it was Saanjh's and Vandana's plan to get the evidence against Maya? Jhanvi knows that what Maya is doing is wrong. But she had shown concern for Maya when she was sharing her grievances to Jhanvi. So I guess, if she comes to normal, she could also turn the tables for Maya and make the judge reduce the punishment for Maya on medical grounds and make Arjun realize what Maya has experienced in the past that makes her control the people she loves.

Jhanvi is the only one who can give unbiased statements.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#864

@kavsy Jhanvi cannot give unbiased comments. She cannot. Between Ashwin and Maya it was always Ashwin for her and Maya suffered this much because of her mother's choice. So her statement will never show Ashwin as a bad man, but yes she can make Maya mad so that instead of jail she goes to aslyum.

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CutiepieAD

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Posted: 8 years ago

#865

Shruthi di, nice take.

I would say Vandana is a very real character. She's not an ideal mother but among those judgemental mothers who can just see their son's happiness. Such characters do exist in real life, infact I would say hardly their are completely selfless mothers. Though her behavior after ArYa marriage was insenisitive but now I can't blame her fully after what she has seen happening to her son's.

Having said this I can't agree to her on Maya bimar nahi buri hai.. theory ! I believe even an evil person has a good side within. But if CVs want to show this then fine. Since Vandana predicts the right things abt Maya.. so Maya's manipulations will be out in front of Arjun.

Even if I try my best I can't hate Maya. My heart just goes out to this girl every time she talks abt her insecurities...

She is a psycho, accepted... She is an evil, accepted.. But is it her choice to become like this? Her father's abuse leaves so much stains on her that she can't see true love in Arjun. Always keeps feeling he will leave her or world will separate her from him. If not world, she fears her own illness to make him run away. When she said "Am I this bad that Arjun's love can't act as medicine for me?" I was like 🥺

Yes this is the same Maya who threats VM to send Arjun to jail for beating her, the same Maya who says she is ready to die or kill for Arjun. Her crimes are unpardonable, she isn't in love.. but it's her sanak.. All her actions aren't justified, but I can't detest her due to the way this character is presented.

Having said this I want her to get punished for her crimes.. and I am fully prepared to see a sad end for her...

But I hope she gets happy ending. Not by Maya left scott free for her crimes. I want her to get punished for what she has done, spend few years in jail n redeem fully after her punishment and Arjun waiting for her all these years n finally ending up together. And Arjun should be knowing both side of the story.. He should know Maya's Sach fully n then it's his choice to accept her.

I know this doesn't happen in real life n in normal condition it's not possible for Arjun to forgive Maya after all her manipulations are out ... But hearing his recent episode dialogues I feel his love is what called "Beyhadh"... N Kushal's surprisingly good acting, I am holding up my hopes.

Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago

#866

I hated hated Saanjh when she did the drama on ArYa's wedding and them changed the 7th vow. She disgusted me so much. Like who was she even? Is she Arjun's mom? His sister? MAYA'S sister and mom? Who is she even and gave her the rights even? Even if she was ArYa's close person, I would have still not liked it, but here she's just friend of Arjun and also has a lust in the form of love towards him.

Imagine God forbid anyone of us in our wedding night, if our would be hsuand's side girl who is after him from childhood and wants to be his wife, comes, sings, gain all the attention and sympathy making you feel like as if you are the witch who snached the guy from her to marry him forcefully and that girl is the victim, then changes the vows which were only between the couple and the husband gets up to hug her and say ILU to her after all her dramas. I would feel like shit! 🤢 I felt so so bad for Maya in that episode. No bride deserve such humiliation on her wedding night like that. The whole Arjun and Saanjh's family disgusted me. They were all crying and behaving as if Arjun and S were a couple in love, and Maya had snatched Arjun from S forcefully and was now forcefully marrying Arjun without his consent where he loves S only. They are disgusted me along with S.

Sometimes more than S, I feel like it's her upbringing fault. Her mom who never did anything despite knowing her daughter of 3-4 old is saving money to buy her lahanga to be a wife of the guy she claims to love in such an age. That's so creepy and not at all normal. Which child even saves money for that? I dont know anyone child who has done it. What kind of stupid mother suman is? Why did she never stop her? Then when she got older, the whole family along with that selfish VM pushed her towards Arjun. S loved him, okay, she's stupid and all to save money like that and kiss him in his sleep forcefully without him knowing and all, but what about the family? Did they lose their senses too? And now they are concerned over S obsession over Arjun and telling her to going after Arjun whom he is been married for 3 years? Now they have woken up?? Really?

Anyway regardless of all that, I just don't understand the point of S role in this show even. Some say it's to save Arjun, but VM and Ayaan does the same. So what's even her point in this show? Is her point in this show to just show The main reason Why Maya will feel so much insecurity and fear and why she then obsess over Arjun and do all the things she has been doing? That's the only thing I see S doing which other characters haven't done.

Edited by _Darling_ - 8 years ago

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#867

@aditi do you know what is the beauty of Beyhadh. They have created a character Maya in such a way that you cannot hate her. When I see precap or spoiler I think I will hate Maya, I might feel sympathy for VM or Saanjh, but the episode reverses your emotions. Yes I dont justify all her actions, I want her to get treatment, I want her to get punishment but I cannot hate her and I agree mostly to Arjun. Yes world made her this way. There was no one to guide her. With what she observed she learned to survive. It was survival for her, not living. She thought maybe post marriage she will live, not survive. But then judgemental people like VM once again made it survival for her. To be alive she knows only one method. That's what she has learned, that is what that has given her results from say 9 years. If she has to change someone else has to show her a different path. Someone has to walk on fire for her. Fight the world for her. So that she can live not survive post her punishment.

Vandana is real, I am not telling she is unreal. Only thing I cant accept is her as some mahan that's all. And her perceptions will come true. Because your perception create your thoughts and those thoughts become action, which brings your perception to reality. That's why when you go for NLP classes ( Neuro Linguistic Programming classes) first lesson is told to manage your vision.

See difference of Maya in Beyhadh and Durga of Ek Hasina Thi is that Maya never knew what is love, Durga knew it till in her say late teens. Even then she cant trust. She looks out for action when Dev comes. Even she battles out between her head and heart before allowing heart to win. Dev had to walk on fire for her to restore her faith.

So a girl who has known love, ethics and all battles her emotions post a traumatic incident and that base of what she got is what makes her win finally.

What about Maya who has not known anything of that sort. From where does ethics come for her. From where does she will allow the light inside her to shine. There is no oil.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#868

@Darling Saanjh still perceives Maya snatched Arjun from her. Arjun and Saanjh were never couple before Maya proposed. That perception is the bane of Arya relation. Saanjh is needed. To break all perceptions of past and present she is needed. Because you need a medium. Before day meets night it has to go through Dusk and before night meets day it has to go through Dawn. Dusk looks well lit but that comes after it is night. Dawn looks very dark but what comes after it is bright sunlight. So Dusky is needed as the medium, only thing that is to be seen is that can she be a savera not just Saanjh for Arya relation.

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Posted: 8 years ago

#869

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@Darling Saanjh still perceives Maya snatched Arjun from her. Arjun and Saanjh were never couple before Maya proposed. That perception is the bane of Arya relation. Saanjh is needed. To break all perceptions of past and present she is needed. Because you need a medium. Before day meets night it has to go through Dusk and before night meets day it has to go through Dawn. Dusk looks well lit but that comes after it is night. Dawn looks very dark but what comes after it is bright sunlight. So Dusky is needed as the medium, only thing that is to be seen is that can she be a savera not just Saanjh for Arya relation.

Shruti, how can she be the medium for ArYa's relationship? When I saw the first episode of Beyhadh and S noticed Maya's tears and loneliness, I thought her character would be the one who will bring Maya's from her problems, she would be the one who will understand her and help her out. And I loved her character in the beginning. But as soon as that baloon proposal thing happened and she said let Maya die and have heart broken, I couldn't believe she would say something like that or that's how Cvs will shape her character who so far was shown to be understanding and compassionate and positive person. From that proposal till now, all I have seen her is creating problems and destroying everything except the phase when she became a little bit sensible post ArYas marriage but then she again went bad when she again started her usual flirting, lusting, etc after a married man and driving Maya crazy. So how can she be a medium?

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CutiepieAD

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Posted: 8 years ago

#870

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@aditi do you know what is the beauty of Beyhadh. They have created a character Maya in such a way that you cannot hate her. When I see precap or spoiler I think I will hate Maya, I might feel sympathy for VM or Saanjh, but the episode reverses your emotions. Yes I dont justify all her actions, I want her to get treatment, I want her to get punishment but I cannot hate her and I agree mostly to Arjun. Yes world made her this way. There was no one to guide her. With what she observed she learned to survive. It was survival for her, not living. She thought maybe post marriage she will live, not survive. But then judgemental people like VM once again made it survival for her. To be alive she knows only one method. That's what she has learned, that is what that has given her results from say 9 years. If she has to change someone else has to show her a different path. Someone has to walk on fire for her. Fight the world for her. So that she can live not survive post her punishment.
Vandana is real, I am not telling she is unreal. Only thing I cant accept is her as some mahan that's all. And her perceptions will come true. Because your perception create your thoughts and those thoughts become action, which brings your perception to reality. That's why when you go for NLP classes ( Neuro Linguistic Programming classes) first lesson is told to manage your vision.

See difference of Maya in Beyhadh and Durga of Ek Hasina Thi is that Maya never knew what is love, Durga knew it till in her say late teens. Even then she cant trust. She looks out for action when Dev comes. Even she battles out between her head and heart before allowing heart to win. Dev had to walk on fire for her to restore her faith.

So a girl who has known love, ethics and all battles her emotions post a traumatic incident and that base of what she got is what makes her win finally.

What about Maya who has not known anything of that sort. From where does ethics come for her. From where does she will allow the light inside her to shine. There is no oil.

Shruthi di Maya is neither Durga nor Sakshi. She's Maya. Perception.. like u rightly said , you just can't hate Maya.. that's how the Character is presented.

I won't say she's grey anymore, she's dark, her deeds are dark.. Yet she's the protagonist, hence from her pov she's right.

But we can't say her pov is right. Hope I am making sense here 😆

Most probably with Vandana's dialogue I feel they are heading to prove Maya is a born psychopath. I mean bimar nahi buri dialogue I am referring too. But even if it's true then one can't deny that God has been extremely unfair to her to give such an evil dad who just aggrevated her issues...

Arjun has judged Maya even better than Jhanvi. Can just one time a husband become mahaan (in true Sense) enough to accept a wife like Maya,I know it's too much to expect as Maya has gone too far. But it's just Arjun's dialogues yesterday makes me say so..

Orelse I hope Maya after her treatment... lives alone with her friend Ganesha :)

Edited by aditi97 - 8 years ago