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Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: blushing

btw what Mannu said about Shivam while talking with Abhi...is Mannu lied to Abhi...he clearly said Shivam always good with Abhi in fact take his side too in front off heir father

its Abhi who always misunderstood finally their bapusa scold him for his Prank...

I feel Abhi is one begin Shivam give it back...may be Shivam might not get scolding as Abhi...i guess since Abhi begin the game hence Jagya gets angry on him...


As per Ganga I feel she just defend her son action since she knew Jagya will blame Abhi so she try put blame n Shivam too

wonder who is telling truth Ganga or her own son Mannu ...

Exactly. Mannu's assessment of the situation looks different from Ganga's . Mannu probably spends more time with the kids and he probably knows how these tiffs get started.
All the same though Shivam is not exactly the reason behind Abhi's problems he is not making it easier for Abhi by getting provoked by Abhi.
It will be better if Anandi left the place.
She should be his father and mother both and bring him up in a place which she can call her home
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Mannu's assessment will definitely be different from Ganga's. Because Mannu is also of the same age group (slightly older) and mostly sees this fight on surface level. i.e. who started the fight first and how it molded. In the recent secanario, Abhi was wrong and Mannu pointed that out.

Even Anandi and jagya are seeing these fights at surface level only. But Ganga has sensed the deeper level. She realised that Jagya is helpless when it comes to balancing between the two kids. She has sensed that because Shivam is not Jagya's own child; Jagya is able to love him and care for him, but cannot afford to scold him. While Abhi is J's own child, so he can easily afford to scold him (which he does) and this hurts Abhi, because he gets scolded for both his mistakes as well as Shivam's.

It is Anandi's responsibility to understand JaGan's helplessness when it comes to Shivam, and Anandi's job to keep her child in check.

Why Shivam got no scolding from Anandi for carelessly leaving school premises? Let alone scolding, she didn't even interrogate, but she very quickly confirmed with Shivam that yes Abhi was wrong. How Irresponsible of Anandi?

And how should jagya really communicate with Abhi? Should he just tell him that ' please bear with me as Shivam is a fatherless child, or please bear with me because I am no capacity to scold Shivam, but trust me your place is yours.'

That's not how it works. A child needs to feel the love of his parent. Otherwise no amount of sweet talk will make Abhi understand. He is not yet fully mature to understand the dynamics that J is facing while raising Shivam. (Directly or indirectly J has the responsibility to raise Shivam)

It is high time Anandi goes beyond surface level to sense JaGan's and Abhi's helplessness. Anandi moving out is the best solution for everyone and the right decision for Shivam's betterment. But looks like that is farfetched. It appears Anandi is comfortable in BH, and does not really see any need of moving out.

Edited by Missesha - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Staying in Jaitser with the clout of the Singh family and Jagya MLA is helping Anandi search for her lost daughter?

But of course!

It is a different matter that in 11 years, this formidable infrastructure could not help locate the 7 foot tall Akhera singh.

She should stay on in BH. Who knows may be another 11 years later, the clout of the family will help her meet her daughter.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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If Akera is in fact living in Jhalra- Nagur, it will be double whammy. Because this Singh family actually belong to Nagaur. Creatives love khichadi of relationships and know very well that people will defend their every move, so make another khichadi by sending Anandi to BH again - who knows - Anandi may not move out of BH ever.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Shivam has no problem staying in BH with Abhi. Only Abhi has problem with Shivam. So for the sake of Abhi only, Anandi is expected to leave BH with her son Shivam.

Will this make Jagya more fond of Abhi? Definitely not. He will be more angry with Abhi and also with Ganga.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I do not find it appropriate for an ex-wife to live with her ex-husband and his current wife. That is why I never wanted Anandi to live in BH. For me it is not about Shivam or Abhi. Please tell me, if anyone has seen this in real life? Is it even advisable in fiction?
The problem between Abhi and Shivam happens in real cousins also. Even in real life, parents reprimand their own child even though in joint family - parenting is a collective responsibility. When one set of parents are too lenient and another set of parents are strict with their own child (and treat other's child leniently) even then the problem like Shivam and Abhi could arise.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: aparnauma

Every one gets 50 only.

They only are seeing half the problem and not the full picture.

Mannu gets 75 because despite being achild he could accomplish something his parents couldn't.

Anandi can only contain Shivam. and try to rein in Shivam's mischievous nature and should restrict Shivam and make him aware that he may be unknowingly stpping into what Abhi considers his territory

Jagya has to realise that he made Abhi feel insecure with his attutude towards him.He may be trying to keep Abhi on the right path by being extra strict with him may be he is trying not to do what Dsa and his parents did with him but if he feels responsibility towards Shivam then he should learn to do balancing act

Ganga should realise that Abhi's behaviour towards Shivam is symptom of Abhi's deeper problem and Shivam is not the root cause

Dadisa - should realise that her family is not a single family but she forced two families to stay together under one roof.

extra strict 😲This much strict every parent in the world is towards their child I don't think parents kiss their children if they cross the line because if they do so then children become like Sanchi

Blaming Jagya for being extra strict is too much Extra strict was Bhairon who slapped Jagya quite often Extra strict was Mohan's father where Jagya is extra strict?He does not know how to balance between children then why Mannu and Abhi don't have problems with each other Mannu does not think same like Abhi

Its not Jagya who made Abhi insecure its Anandi and her failure to control her son Two children have fuss with each other , both are at fault , one is asked firmly to behave by his father other one boasts around i am the best , i am never at fault , i am so good its always Abhi making mess with me now should Jagya control him here or his mother ?

Don;t think Jagya has shown biasism towards shivam anywhere Scolding shivam for his wrong acts is not within Jagya's rights Its Anandi's duty rest where he has given to shivam anything over Jagya that you are accusing him of failing to balance ?



Edited by jermey1 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Children fight and make up...unlike adults they do not hold grudges at daily basis but its duing the adulthood when these negative feelings start affecting the relationship because then they don't have any game to prefer over a fight...if Shivam and Abhi live together Abhi will soon accumalate a hatred for Shivam without even realizing it becoz it will take lots of patience for a kid to understand the complexity of his father's relation with Shivam...plus is that what Anandi wants? Abhi to be nice to Shivam out of pity for being a fatherless kid? Wouldn't that make Shivam feel his loss more?
I agree with one of the replies...Jagya is strict with Abhi but Anandi is soft with Shivam...she tries to handle the matter with her talk which indirectly affects Abhi...if two people have such different parenting method then its not healthy to let the kids live in same environment.
Its unreasonable to say that Jagya will become more angry with Abhi if Anandi leaves BH...He is a mature adult and should understand that living together is not always the good solution but for some reason in BV (and actually in most of the indian t.v serials) leaving a joint family is considered a sin...it all stems from the root cause of indian parents' thinking: never think of their child as mature adult, always keep then close to themselves!
Independence is a fake idea in our serials
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Posted: 10 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: SPuja

I do not find it appropriate for an ex-wife to live with her ex-husband and his current wife. That is why I never wanted Anandi to live in BH. For me it is not about Shivam or Abhi. Please tell me, if anyone has seen this in real life? Is it even advisable in fiction?

The problem between Abhi and Shivam happens in real cousins also. Even in real life, parents reprimand their own child even though in joint family - parenting is a collective responsibility. When one set of parents are too lenient and another set of parents are strict with their own child (and treat other's child leniently) even then the problem like Shivam and Abhi could arise.

Comparing BV with real life is useless
No where a sensible and independent woman leaves a city to settle back in a new district unless she has nowhere to live in the city or so danger to her life while living alone.
No woman would ever shift back to her ex-husband's house specially when he is married and with kids even if she is considered the daughter of that house...she is daughter of her ex-sasural but not sister of her ex-husband.
In joint families such fights between kids occur on daily basis and normally become a lifetime resentment towards each other that are taken out only in adulthood and in the heat of the moment unless the adults are sensible enough to be on the same page or there is someone to explain the parents that such huge difference between parenting skills can cause damage to the kids living under same roof. Now here Dadisa could have been that adult but she choses to remain silent so guess either Anandi should move out or ensure her and JaGan's parenting skills fall in similar line if not same!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Don't think twisting scenes is necessary to defend Anandi and now her kid


1 . Was Mannu lying yesterday

The answer to this question Mannu was only trying to make peace between his brother and shivam thats why he was counting shivam's virtues in front of him telling him shivam can also be good Where he meant Shivam is always an angel Never at fault Always its Abhi's fault? Of course he wont be counting shivam's errors to fuel his brother against shivam He wants to make peace between both

Regarding all those who think shivam is never at fault Most of the times its Abhi twisting Mannu's dialogues yesterday must hear Anandi's dialogue in that ice cream fiasco episode she said All fault is never of Abhi Sometimes its Abhi's sometimes shivam and Jagya too said i never meant all fault is of always of Abhi This clear Shivam equally fusses with Abhi

2. Jagya is extra strict on Abhi for yada yada reason

This blame seriously went over my head 😲 First he is not extra strict on Abhi How much strict he is on Abhi this much strict is every parent on their children A parent scold his child only when he crosses the line of mannerisms and does not listen politely I want to ask from all mommies here if your children don't listen to you politely and throw tantrums throwing ice cream bowls and breaking them , you told them 110000000 times not to play basket ball inside still he acts stubborn and plays and breaks stuff in the house and is about to hurt someone with his you will give him a kiss on the cheek ? Won't you scold him so why blaming Jagya to be extra strict ?

People who are labelling Jagya to be extra strict for yada yada reason seems like have forgetten he has two children Mannu and Abhi not one why Mannu is not getting scolding from him ?because unlike Abhi Mannu does not misbehave

3. Jagya scolds Abhi for shivam 's mistake

i would like to see this episode when this happened ? someone please tell me when this episode aired that they have derived this blame on Jagya ? because as much as i have seen Abhi is only scolded by him for his mistake and he never said shivam is milk washed, in front of Anandi he said , in that holi episode when both were challenging each other and about to fight he stopped both and corrected both Never seen him scolding Abhi for shivam's mistake ?He just does not scold shivam even for his mistake because he has to deal with him in some limitations as shivam is nothing to him

4 . Jagya has made Abhi insecure , he needs to balance his responsibilities , he needs to realize his responsibilities towards his son

Jagya has two kids Mannu and Abhi Both kids share healthy relationship with each other Mannu and Abhi have same bio mother but don't have same bio father Both kids know that or not yet not revealed by cvs yet but even real siblings have rivalry with each other and feels insecure one is preferred over the other if parents fail to balance between both but here both kids are perfectly fine so is it Jagya's fault in failing to balance between responsibilities and is not doing his responsibilities rightfully then both his kids won't be sharing such healthy relationship either Abhi would be insecure of Mannu too He is loved more by father as he does not get scolding by his dad


People want to accept or not but i agree with those who are faulting Anandi here I cannot fault Jagya Two kids in same house are having tiff with each other where both are at equal fault but one gets scolding by his dad and asked to behave and rightfully so Don't blame Jagya at all where he scolded Abhi for breaking bowl and in that basketball thing but other kid shivam ji does mistake , steps in Abhi's room and takes his stuff That sandwitches will not be the first thing he must have taken like this without permission because first time everyone shows hesitance but he so confidently took them and stuffed in his mouth because he knows Jagya and Ganga will not say him anything Why Jagya and Ganga does not say much to him because this poor fatherless kid is living with them world will declare them bad if they start ticking him off for everything he does no matter it is his fault and shivam does not bother much about mother He did not listen to her at all there He boasts around i am the best i am everyone's favorite in the house He even tells his mother i am a good boy its always Abhis fault never mine while mother accepts its his fault too then why she does not control him
Jagya no where have shown biasim towards shivam or preferred him over his own children He even colored his children first in holi even though Abhi was standing behind in line from shivam Problem is Anandi's failure to control her son Shivam commits mistake and since others don't scold him neither Anandi controls him in proper way he thinks he is never at fault He even challenges Abhi i only promised my mother not to fight in holi otherwise i would have seen you Not that he thinks fighting is bad If Anandi starts correcting her son's behavior most of Abhi's problem will be solved as this misunderstanding has cropped in him since all ask him to behave while this shivam kind of goes scott free Anandi never made him even apologize to him where he commits mistake he developed a misunderstanding in him shivam is favored by everyone over him Jagya no matter how much explains to Abhi until shivam is not shown mirror , his behavior too is controlled which only his mother can show him Its her duty not Jagya and Ganga's They are dealing with shivam in only limitations .Until Anandi does not do anything this problem will not be solved
Edited by Beautiful-Soul - 10 years ago

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