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libsrocks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: aparnauma
Jagya is only giving what the rest of the Shekhar family members would have given to Shivam.
He is only filling in for the Shekhar family members and not filling in for Shiv.
But the issue is that he should make Abhi understand the reasons why he is being lenient on Shivam.
He should let Abhi know that he gets scoldings because he is inthe wrong should explain like the Mannu had explained to Abhi. In that conversation with Mannu - even Abhi had come across like a sorted out kid and knew what his problem in life is.

Anandi can only find reasons for Shivam's behaviour and check them and she is getting there though she has a long way to go.The communication channels between her and Shivam are open and it's two way process it is very likely they will come to an understanding soon.

Abhi and J, Ganga and J need to open up and convey their thoughts on these issues to each other

Mannu is a very sensible kid but the fact is he is still a kid so what is supposed to be the parents responsibility should not be passed on to him.

Dsa is DELIBERATELY CLOSING HER EYES in her desire to keep her Ladli Anandi and her Ladesar Jagya close to her. So there is no point expecting anything from her.

Two things that are needed - More space for the two families and their children
Two way communication that is sorely needed in case of Jagya and his family members

it's ridiculous to compare jagya and whole shekhar family...shekhar family has the right to love and scold shivam while jagya can only love shivam but not scold him or is not able to do so as he is not related to anandi...their relationship as ex-spouses makes situation little more complicated

Jagya unknowingly fills the absence of a father in shivam's life as he himself is a father of young kids and he too is of same age as Shiv would have been at present. Plus there is no other male member in the house to play role of a man in this kid's life. He is his kaka but also the closest thing Shivam can have as a father.

The truth is BV is full of gaps...we hardly know wht happened in these 10 years...what role did jagya played in shivam's life...who taught him how to ride a bicycle or who shared a man-to-man like relationship with him? For Amol it was Shiv but who is with Shivam? Amol or Jagya? Or was Anandi herself able to fulfill the demands of both father and mother? They are showing this story for the sake of stretching the show...the story makes no impact since viewers hardly know what kind of equation did the adults and kids share...has this jealousy been a problem for 10 years? Did Abhi always shown this resentment towards Shivam? If so then why wasn't it dealt in their early age and why now? Did Jagya always ignored Abhi like this? Why didn't Ganga said anything before 10 years?Its little difficult to digest the fact that Shivam-Abhi had issues for 10 whole yers but nothing was done about it? And what about Amol? Honestly Anandi wasted her time and emotions in adoption when she had to share her kid with his biological parents and in end lose it to them...what was the message of adoption? Adopt the kid to show your greatness and kindness but don't get attached as he is not to stay with you for long...one day his blood relation will take him away from you...this whole adoption looks like a joke to me...an unnecessary misery added in the list of Anandi's woes! Anandi should have thought of having her kid...that way Shiv would have got the pleasure of knowing at least one of his own kid

Edited by libsrocks - 10 years ago

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leavesandwaves

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Posted: 10 years ago

#22

There are too many gaps and many untold stories. We have to assume.

By the way Nimboli story is getting ugly day by day. A starved child and no signs of starving like fainting spells.

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Missesha

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Posted: 10 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Stephi
I wonder why Ganga said if Shivam stops poking Abhi,Abhi will also stop poking Shivam. So it is clear that Ganga saw a lot more during these 11 years. To me It was clear that Shivam deliberately provoking Abhi the very same moment he explained to Ganga that Abhi thinks everybody in BH loves him more , yet repeated with such a pleasure that he's Dadisa's favorite. For such a goody its very interesting that he is not satisfied with Abhi's punishment, he wants more. Not to mention that his mother not made it clear what he did wrong, again. Tit for tat?.I wouldn't say so. I really hope this time he will be caught. For his own good.
Otherwise, what kind of person he'll become if he thinks that everything he does is perfect.
And for Abhi's sake too. Because it's not just black and white in this children mess .

He will become another Anandi, and live even a messier life than Anandi does. Anandi's life is a mess and now even her child's life will be.

No one ever told Anandi's mistakes to her, and she has never pondered or introspected why things went wrong, or what she could have done to have prevented that mistake from happening in the first place?

Even after losing one child (the biggest blow of her life), Anandi has not learnt anything from life. She is still naive.

Undoubtedly, she may have given good values to Shivam but she has passed her weakness too of never being able to assess or introspect any situation.

If Anandi does not ponder on Shivam's welfare then the guy will surely have a very messy life. He is already being brought up in a complicated environment (living in a house of his mother's ex-husband), and if Anandi does not move out on time, it will have a huge impact on Shivam's life.

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

#24

Blaming Dadisa and Anandi giving clean chit for others in just not right.

There is no hostility from Shivam's side which even Abhi has accepted in his conversation with Mannu. He wanted to trouble Shivam simply because of his father's equation with Shivam is a major issue with him and as far as he is concerned that interferes with his equation with his father.

Now Abhi is a child he can't be faulted with the way he sees things He feels his father loves him and cares for Shivam more based on what he has seen of his father

J does feel a sense of responsibility towards Shivam but he doesn't want to accept the fact that his behaviour towars Abhi is making him insecure. Had Abhi not been insecure his leniency towards Shiv would not have bothered him.

Ganga sees J's point of view but she is wrong if Shivam is the only reason for the sense of insecurity and thinks if the issue with Shivam is sorted out everything will be fine it is wrong.She is very right that their child needs to be reassured and he requires their attention.

Shivam doesn't harbour any resentent towards Abhi but he believes in giving tit for tat which is making things worse. Anandi is only seeing the issue from this perspective. Even in the firts scene with Shivam she did say that Abhi and Shivam fight with each other all the time and yet can't stay away from each other - That only tells that she is all this as just kids desire for oneupman ship - she is only partly right.

Shivam while he doesn't resent Abhi he is too young to understand Abhi's problems and hence he ends up stepping on his toes annoys Abhi and then this tit for tat way doesn't make things easier.

Blaming Anandi's stay there as the sole reason is not right.

Every problem that Abhi Ganga Jagya are facing can't be attributed to Anandi and Shivam

AnandiShiv's kids need to be removed from the environment they are growing up as soon as possible

Jagya Gang need to realise the importance of two way communication.

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libsrocks

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Posted: 10 years ago

#25

@aparna

exactly how are 10 yrs old kids suposed to stay away even by living in the same roof? I don't watch BV so can u tell me if shivam-abhi fight but at the end of the day become buddies who share each other secrets? If not then Anandi' statement is pretty useless...Abhi-Shivam cannot stay without each other becoz they have been force in each other's life and have no other option but to be with each other

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leavesandwaves

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Posted: 10 years ago

#26

It is becoming like Tom and Jerry.

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leavesandwaves

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Posted: 10 years ago

#27

In tv serials, introspecting means talking to photos.

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aparnauma

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Posted: 10 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: libsrocks
@aparna
exactly how are 10 yrs old kids suposed to stay away even by living in the same roof? I don't watch BV so can u tell me if shivam-abhi fight but at the end of the day become buddies who share each other secrets? If not then Anandi' statement is pretty useless...Abhi-Shivam cannot stay without each other becoz they have been force in each other's life and have no other option but to be with each other

If you don't watch may be you should watch and then we can discuss.

My views are my perceptions from what I saw. \

Abhi annd Shivam do seem to spend a lot of time playing with each other and doing fun things too apart from fighting with each other and that' what has been implied

When J got ice cream for them Shivam went to Abhi with the cup which had biggest scoop of ice cream

Abhi threw the cup and had tantrum

The time when Shivam ate Abhi's sandwiches he didn't go to Abhi's room to steal sandwiches he went to call Abhi fora round of carroms he didn't find Abhi there but found sandwiches.Probably he couldn't resist sandwiches he ate them because Abhi earlier didn't want to eat them

Kids who are constantly at each other's throats don't call out for each other for games or they go out of way to offer biggest scoop of ice cream to tat kid

More than the conditions it is the parents way of dealing their squabbles that are causing problems

Anandi ticks of Shivam and asks him why he had done it She only sees it as kid's squabbles

Jagya yells at Abhi whether it is Shivam's fault or Abhi's fault - which is the reason fr Abhi's behaviour

They are forced to stay tgethe r but more than that it is the lack of communication which is the problem

I have only responded out of politeness since you addressed me personally.

Otherwise I am done with this discussion.

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ExcuseMePlz

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Posted: 10 years ago

#29

In my opinion things are totally out of hand now.It will never be the same.It can't be solved.Both the boys have crossed the age and now they will not understand anything.Punishment,affection,hugs nothing will work at this moment.The elders can only try now.If they are lucky the things will be sorted if not then things will remain the same.

No one is wrong in this situation.No parent can be perfect.Its not possible.Its not always about upbringing.It depends on the nature of the kid also.

With my experience I have noticed one thing that almost in all cases even with same upbringing if there are three kids in the house,the elder one automatically turns to be mature/calm,the little one pampered/cute and the middle one turns to be short tempered/rebel/blunt.You cannot change the mindset even with tons of love.Abhi is the middle one and in my opinion nothing will be enough to change the things that Abhi has started believing and the reason is his nature.

I don't want to get into the argument that logically Abhi wouldn't have been the middle one as in the show its a joint family and they treat the three kids as brothers.

As Jagya said the upbringing is same for all three kids but due to the nature of the three different mentality things are happening differently.And its almost impossible to pinpoint it and solve the issue.

I disagree with Anandi that slapping Abhi is wrong.I firmly believe that little beating is needed and Abhi was wrong enough.I totally disliked when Abhi started crying and said beat me,I am wrong,this that and all of them were puzzled.He has deliberately played that prank and he needed punishment.You can't sympathize with him if you want him to learn from his mistakes.Shivam was not at all scolded for what he did,that was equally wrong.If not punishment both of them need some silent treatment.Don't talk to them for the whole day and when they will get fed up and ask why you all are not talking then make them understand.

One thing that creatives have done wrong is constantly saying both Abhi-Shivam poke each other but only showing Abhi behaving badly.After 20 days only now Shivam is seen playing a prank which can totally affect viewers mind that Abhi deserves it.If they actually wanted to show neither Shivam nor Abhi were wrong then they should have shown both of them playing prank.In serials showing scenes are very important otherwise it losts its impact.

When kids have both the parent then in most cases mother behaves leniently and father has to be strict to balance the situation.Jagya and Ganga are doing that only.Jagya didn't scold Abhi without any reason.He scolded him when it was necessary,Ganga raised her hand as they believe Abhi needs strictness.In Shivam's case the scolding responsibility is on Anandi but Anandi believes scolding/beating is not right so neither she was angry with what Abhi did nor she scolded Shivam.So this problem can't be solved because both the beliefs are not wrong.

If Jagya will attempt to make Abhi understand that as Shivam has lost his father so he is little lenient to him then its possible that Abhi will understand.But then one day in some heated argument Abhi might bluntly taunt Shivam that he has no father so his Bapusa doesn't scold him.And making Abhi understand the complicated relationship is also not right.

In my opinion solving this issue is not possible so whatever cvs will show I will accept it as it can never be solved in a certain way.

I think if ever Shivam will be asked whom you love the most after your Mother his answer will be Jagya.If the answer will be DS/Amol (which I doubt) then its fine but if its actually Jagya with whom he has bonded the most after his mother then I don't think Anandi will be able to leave BH.And I am seeing the bond getting stronger.

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Muktchand

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Posted: 10 years ago

#30

btw what Mannu said about Shivam while talking with Abhi...is Mannu lied to Abhi...he clearly said Shivam always good with Abhi in fact take his side too in front off heir father

its Abhi who always misunderstood finally their bapusa scold him for his Prank...

I feel Abhi is one begin Shivam give it back...may be Shivam might not get scolding as Abhi...i guess since Abhi begin the game hence Jagya gets angry on him...

As per Ganga I feel she just defend her son action since she knew Jagya will blame Abhi so she try put blame n Shivam too

wonder who is telling truth Ganga or her own son Mannu ...

Edited by blushing - 10 years ago

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