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Posted: 11 years ago
#91

Originally posted by: tiny15

so we didn't say he made blunders as child .read my posts.i said he was @ fault. sidra said he was @ fault but gud prsn realizes them & apologises & rectifies & redeems which jagya did. and abt mocking see oders posts who started wat.

why not DS upbringing?? she conditioned him oderwise he always helped her & even saved her from DS's anger many times initially.but after DS started poisoning him against A he behaved badly & that even remained till he grew & came out during gauri phase.oderwise wen both started living 2gether in adulthood he was v.gud 4 her & still helped protected her.
tho i also said @ that time J shud'd enough sense @ that time himself but he got blinded by gauri as A was not compatible even was gud.its also his fault but rembr "talli do hathon se bajati hai"
ppl say A is conditioned like she behaves/ed bcoz she was conditione dby DS & bhago like this. so why not jagya is said abt this??
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no1 can change their pasts only can accept them & rectify them if possible which jagya tried & still trying by helping oders. but sum ppl started mocking by name calling.
see u 1st wrote marydapurshottam etc.putting blames of nandu's acts on genes saying like pots kiska kai, beta kiska hai & bhai kiska hai ?? is it not mocking??
now jagya has redeemed truly & not shown forcfully redemeed.and even punished by God & he himself blames himself 4 all the faults/mistakes he'd done.so why 2 mock him abt his mrgs or faults etc.etc. was/is he womaniser??was/is he abuser basically??
basically he may b inpulsive & short tempered but not an abuser & womaniser.



What does Marydapurshottam mean, I only know basic hindi words.

Who said he is a womanizer or abuser which I know he is not.

True he is impulsive and short tempered which is his nature and which I think cv's has changed 😆.

Right now BV is illogical and the characters have changed so much, not really enjoying the show that much.

I found that Jagya more interesting and seems Shashank loved playing that Jagya could tell from his acting. 😆

This show is about how to redeem even the worst person.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: sunflower52


What does Marydapurshottam mean, I only know basic hindi words.

Who said he is a womanizer or abuser which I know he is not.

True he is impulsive and short tempered which is his nature and which I think cv's has changed 😆.

Right now BV is illogical and the characters have changed so much, not really enjoying the show that much.

I found that Jagya more interesting and seems Shashank loved playing that Jagya could tell from his acting. 😆

This show is about how to redeem even the worst person.


Hey sunflower, I won't say he is/was a womaniser, but he was an abuser for obvious reasons. He abused Anandi badly. It was a mental abuse. Maybe someone who has a good memory of his abuses can shed some light? I can re-collect , but that takes away too much energy and time as I don't remember the exact incidents in detail.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: The_Alchemist.




for example -

After agreeing to marry Sanchi , and after assuring her mother and brother that he "knows what he is doing" , he cancelled his engagement with Sanchi and married Ganga abruptly which was so wrong. But it was shown like J was right.

The way he continued his old habit of comparing the two women in his life, here Ganga and Sanchi was wrong but they showed it like he was right to do such comparisons.

so here , though the characters do blunders, the CV's can still portray it in a positive way if they wish to. Here, these are just two points which I could remember on the spur of the moment. They can do this with any character, any time😆






Oh okay 😆 the entire Jagya - Sanchi -Ganga was horribly executed.






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Posted: 11 years ago
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Alchemist
Everything is in relation to the other person. Because they made a villain of Saanchi, by comparison whatever wrong Jagya did became the right thing to do.
Jagya's conduct with regard to Sanchi ought not to have been judged by whether or not she was a nice person. It should have been judged by whether he was wrong per se.
And in my opinion he was wrong.
He broke the engagement after two solid assurances to Shiv and Ira.
Shiv suspected something was amiss and offered him an escape route on the day of the engagement. J told him he knew what he was doing.
This is what turned Shiv against Jagya and not his "blind love" for his sister. Shiv did not love his sister any less on the day of the engagement.
And yet he was prepared to take Jagya's reservations with regard to his sister on board. He was willing to be told by J that he was not interested in the match or that it was not the right match.
Shiv is a man of principles. He is a man of his word. He became livid because Jagya gave his word and went back on it
Ira asked him whether he was happy with Saanchi at a much later stage, when he was already half in love with Ganga and knew it. Even then he did not come clean with the family.
And then he broke the engagement because Sa made fun of his family. Did he tell this to the family? No, he didn't. Had he himself told them what the reason was, they would not have been so angry.
That was the correct procedure to follow, and not to leave the family confused and bewildered about why he changed his mind.
He followed this by marrying Ganga dramatically in front of Shiv's family which naturally shocked them.
All of his acts are unforgiveable -- but because they happened in reference to Sa, he not only got away with them but managed to get sympathy for himself.
Jagya had many opportunities to gracefully disengage himself from Saanchi. He should have told her all about his past and disabused her of the notion that he was the wronged party in the JaAn relationship.
He did not do that resulting in Sa continuing to think that she alone understood him.
In actuality then Sa was wronged thrice. First because J did not debunk the myth that he was a spotless human. Second, when he broke off with her after giving many assurances and without offering a reason.
And third when he married Ganga without giving Sa time to understand and accept that the relationship was over. Whether Sa came to terms with it or not is irrelevant here. He should have given her that chance
He should have said the relationship was over regardless of Ganga. But by marrying G in the way he did, he rightly in my opinion, became an accused in the eyes of KB folks.
This meant that he was cheating on Sa and all his assurances were false all along. He broke the engagement because of G and Sanchi's behaviour was only a convenient excuse for it..
But the sequence of guilt has been whitewashed because Sa was a horrid person.
J's actions should be examined by themselves.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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being abuser i mean basically he was not abuser as we saw him wen he got mrd A wen was child. wen they mrd he even helped & protected her but wen DS saw it she poisone dhim against A saying beendanis shud do this & u r superior a s beend etc.and BS didn't corrcted it(his fault is this he let DS condition jagya 4 watever reasons.)he started abusing A after DS's poisoning only .
so i mean by his basic nature is not of abuser. he strayed & also let DS influence him. but we've seen many cases where grandparents/parents do like this & their kids even basically r gud tend 2 do bad 2 oders.but if sum1 correct them or life taught them & they learnt their lessons they bcum gud again.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: The_Alchemist.


Hey sunflower, I won't say he is/was a womaniser, but he was an abuser for obvious reasons. He abused Anandi badly. It was a mental abuse. Maybe someone who has a good memory of his abuses can shed some light? I can re-collect , but that takes away too much energy and time as I don't remember the exact incidents in detail.


I have forgotten the beginning of the show, I know physically he has never abused Anandi but you are right about mental abuse.

Like whenever Anandi would try to come near J, he would be so rude to her and said all sort of things that could make any woman feel inferior.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@rohini - that is what I feel and have posted time and again in the forum. That is what I felt for Ratan Singh also - he was asked to give bone marrow but when he asked custody of Mannu - everybody was shocked, like they expected him to give bone marrow without any benefit for himself.
Creatives think that villains are not humans and 'good' people can violate rights of 'bad' people. That the audience will rejoice defeat of 'bad' people even if the 'good' people employ bad means. That is how Sa-Ja track was.

P.S. I avoid commenting on Sanchi because I do not want to increase public demand - Sa-Ja track already over, so I think mentioning this will not increase public demand.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sanchi was cheated and raped. And then she redeemed. It is sad that there are people who think she wasn't punished enough to accept her change. 👎🏼
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rohini55

Alchemist

Everything is in relation to the other person. Because they made a villain of Saanchi, by comparison whatever wrong Jagya did became the right thing to do.
Jagya's conduct with regard to Sanchi ought not to have been judged by whether or not she was a nice person. It should have been judged by whether he was wrong per se.
And in my opinion he was wrong.
He broke the engagement after two solid assurances to Shiv and Ira.
Shiv suspected something was amiss and offered him an escape route on the day of the engagement. J told him he knew what he was doing.
This is what turned Shiv against Jagya and not his "blind love" for his sister. Shiv did not love his sister any less on the day of the engagement.
And yet he was prepared to take Jagya's reservations with regard to his sister on board. He was willing to be told by J that he was not interested in the match or that it was not the right match.
Shiv is a man of principles. He is a man of his word. He became livid because Jagya gave his word and went back on it
Ira asked him whether he was happy with Saanchi at a much later stage, when he was already half in love with Ganga and knew it. Even then he did not come clean with the family.
And then he broke the engagement because Sa made fun of his family. Did he tell this to the family? No, he didn't. Had he himself told them what the reason was, they would not have been so angry.
That was the correct procedure to follow, and not to leave the family confused and bewildered about why he changed his mind.
He followed this by marrying Ganga dramatically in front of Shiv's family which naturally shocked them.
All of his acts are unforgiveable -- but because they happened in reference to Sa, he not only got away with them but managed to get sympathy for himself.
Jagya had many opportunities to gracefully disengage himself from Saanchi. He should have told her all about his past and disabused her of the notion that he was the wronged party in the JaAn relationship.
He did not do that resulting in Sa continuing to think that she alone understood him.
In actuality then Sa was wronged thrice. First because J did not debunk the myth that he was a spotless human. Second, when he broke off with her after giving many assurances and without offering a reason.
And third when he married Ganga without giving Sa time to understand and accept that the relationship was over. Whether Sa came to terms with it or not is irrelevant here. He should have given her that chance
He should have said the relationship was over regardless of Ganga. But by marrying G in the way he did, he rightly in my opinion, became an accused in the eyes of KB folks.
This meant that he was cheating on Sa and all his assurances were false all along. He broke the engagement because of G and Sanchi's behaviour was only a convenient excuse for it..
But the sequence of guilt has been whitewashed because Sa was a horrid person.
J's actions should be examined by themselves.


Bang on post.


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