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Posted: 11 years ago

#111

Some points on Bhairon and Sumitra's parenting.

Agreed DS interfered a lot and even Basant. But no way does it mean they never paid attention to Jagya or never guided him. So many old episodes are there in which they are asking Jagya to not to be so impulsive, not be so short tempered, be respectful, respect beendni etc.

In many episodes they have expressed hopes to Jagya what they would like him to be (that is also one way of communicating expected standards of behaviour by parents to kids).

What could they do? And why blame them solely when even their slaps, scoldings, anguished cries could make no difference?

On Nandu, he has had one of the worst environment to grow up in. DS also sometimes manipulates in name of good after she was whitewashed.

I had pointed out in past that his parents need to sit down with him and put things in perspective so that he does not form wrong impressions after all happenings he witnessed.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#112

Bhairon and Sumi parenting They did try hard to counter DSa's influence on Jagya.

I always feel that Bhairon was a bit too strict on him to compensate for over indulgence from DS.

I remember the way BS used to sit with Anandi and explain things to her. I don't remember him doing much with Jagya.

Yes Jagya should have been punished very severly for all the nonsense he got upto during his childhood days but later on the parents should sit with them and explain to him the consequences of their actions.This was not done in J's case.

That love care concern was never ever lacking from Bhairon and Sumi but communication was not as good as it should have been.

He grew up in the fear of his father. He only used to think that he is makind his father angry with his actions and behaviour but he never realised how his father would be hurt with his behaviour simply because the communication between them was not good enough.

That probably was the reason why Anandi has become the channel for communication between him and his family.

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642126

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Well in 2 episodes at least from what I remember, Bhairon did sit with Jagya. He tried every approach from being light hearted, to wise counsel to firmness. But ultimately Jagya would not listen much. And ended up repeating mistakes or doing more mistakes.

DS spoiled it by not only blindly defending him but also bashing Bhairon for being harsh on him. That prevented Jagya from seeing real cause behind father's anger.

Bhairon was caught between DS (aided by Basant) and Jagya. Whenever he tried to be proactive as parent, DS meddled and made it issue of challenge to her authority and respect.

Nandu also has only fear of father but no sense of right or wrong himself. Basant beats Nandu often at his mistakes and shouts at him for insolent behaviour.

But larger point here is about having inner moral compass and sense of right and wrong and a knowledge of what one can get away with, and what one cannot get away with. For that family has to serve as positive role models and impart values than merely scolding once and indulging later.

When you know there is tedha hai par mera hai attitude in family then no wonder you subconsciously, or consciously give less or no thought to right or wrong and suspend ego and superego to let id take over.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#114

Originally posted by: atominis

But larger point here is about having inner moral compass and sense of right and wrong and a knowledge of what one can get away with, and what one cannot get away with. For that family has to serve as positive role models and impart values than merely scolding once and indulging later.

When you know there is tedha hai par mera hai attitude in family then no wonder you subconsciously, or consciously give less or no thought to right or wrong and suspend ego and superego to let id take over.

DSa did a lot of damage which Bhairon tried to counter I guess was not really successful.

Jagya didn't have strong inner moral compass and a sense of what is wrong and what is right and probably that is the reason why he went astray the moment he went to Mumbai and the family influence has been taken away from his life.

Probably that's the reason his behaviour changes with circumstances.

He probably knew that he needed a strong person to lean on and that was one reason he latched on to Gauri when he perceived her to be a strong individual when he realised in the end that she too was as weak as him he left her and hankered after Anandi.

When he is back with his parents all is well in his life and the sense of what is right and what is wrong returned to his life along with his family.

That's why I didn't find it surprising when he fell for Shyamal Bhai's talk he came across as a strong individual he probably thought he would fill in the void left by his father.

Till the time he learns to trust Ganga he will probably keep falling into one problem or other.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#115

Originally posted by: sunflower52

DS made Jagya mentally weak and his parents for not doing enough to wipe DS negativity placed on Jagya. Jagya still has that view about DS, I do not remember much of the story.

Anandi was strong willed that is why she rebelled, if she was not that strong she would have not been able too.

Jagya is not a strong man that is why he was able to get influenced and later repeated the same mistake with Sanchi.

Then even Anandi was at a tender age still some how she had enough sense that what DS was doing wrong.

Anandi & Jagya were both children and were raised by DS.

Yes, but Anandi was tortured and suppressed, while Jagya was not. The reactions were bound to be different.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#116

i find the debate here a lot confusing

No child born is strong or saint neither anyone is devil

Anandi had a strong influence of Sandhya teacher thats why she had her sense of right and wrong so much She is not born having sense of right and wrong Sandhya gave her those valuable lessons of life Her teacher jee if Jagya would have Sandhya's influence on his life i am sure he would be also never do mistakes and if Anandi did not Sandhya 's influence as a kid how as kid she would so much sense ?

Jagya's life is damaged by Dadisaa How can we really say Jagya and Anandi both are raised by DS? Anandi was 90 percent around Gehna; Bhairon and Sumitra who induced in her the so called great moral compass while in one scene Bhairon sat with his child and done ? How much morals he induced in his son he always had those Jagya was never complete bad If Bhairon and Sumitra would have spent quality time with him and guided him properly why would he stray ?How much great communication Bhairon has with his son can be seen when he accepted him back too He once again was standing behind nodding his head to DS My parents still keep check of my activities , where i go , what i do , what are my interests , how are my friends Sometimes i am irritated they don't give me any privacy but bottom line is i understand they are only being protective about me because i am still young , a student exploring outer world so if Bhairon and Sumi were clueless their fault how are we blaming a kid like he was some sort of born evil There is no tedha or seedha child born it all depends on upbringing Bhairon and Sumi were weaklings who stood mutely letting DS preached all wrong to Jagya

and by the way is it really true to say he was relying on Ganga ? Really ? If i am not wrong it is Ganga who learnt a lot from him that she was calling her guidance till eternity ?If he has fallen in problem Ganga helped him so hasn't Ganga fallen in trouble by trusting people like Balachandaran ?so on which basis we are saying he married Ganga because he need someone to be dependent on ?A person having a strong conscience is termed as weak here ?Strange

i don't think anywhere in serial it is shown in serial Jagya was seeing Shyamlal as father There was no reason for him doubt him It was surprising he didn't listen to Ganga's words but haven't seen anywhere he was seeing Shyamlal as father Why he will see Shyamlal as father His father hasn't died Only disappeared from viewers eyes but not from Jagya's life 😕

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Posted: 11 years ago

#117

Originally posted by: kikyo

BTW kudos to creatives they justified how right is child marriage, how much advantages it gives that are counted Balak vars stick to your one wife only that is Balika Vadhu i appreciate creatives for successfully doing kachra of theme Only they can do it Feel sorry for Nandu i think his Bal Vivah should be shown too

naa Bal Vivah is very wrong but only for girls not for boys Poor males i feel sorry for them 😆

Regarding Jagya i think cvs did a mistake in redeeming him and showing him moving on They whitewashed his past God knows when ?they even hit him and made him at fault for something he wasn't even wrong for example not agreeing to have a baby when he was only a student It was also called injustice with Anandi it means Singhs were right 😆When they were painting him black and getting beaten by everyone that was most logical track in history of Balika Vadhu The fake whitewashing is nonsense The punishment they have shown for him was not enough He should have been shown dying cursing himself and Anandi and Gauri flying high or either stoned to death After all such by birth evil person should be given taliban type punishment

Few things i would like to add Here it is said Shiv does not know details of Jagya and Anandi's past Really ? which details Shiv does not know ? DS clearly told him we have disowned our son Who disowns their son just for marrying another lady ? Anandi refused to forgive Jagya and told Shiv all takaleef that came in mind i could n't forgive him Shiv was doubting Jagya when he came back to Jaistar is he here to cause trouble to Anandi ? This is first thing that came in his mind ?During the Sanchi drama Shiv has plenty of times hit Jagya how much dukh he gave to Anandi Who told Shekhars lawyer about Jagya refused to recognize Anandi as his wife in college and bhabhoot thing? Anandi didn't It was Shiv who else so how anyone can say Shiv does not know about details ?

Shiv and Shekhars do not know about what happened between Jagya and Gauri they put all blame on his head declaring Gauri as doodh ki dhuli hoe but they do know about Jagya and Anandi

Coming to why Jagya didnt tell Sanchi his past mistakes because Sanchi told him i know everything The women who were clueless he told them Ganga and Kanchan everything but Sanchi said i know i accept you with your past and present Jagya would get some special signal from God that Sanchi does not know? Her great family who hit him twice more than what actually happened for example with Gauri Shekhars keep presenting Gauri as innocent while she was not and they later hit Jagya many times so why they didn't tell Sanchi and i think Sanchi knew this is the same guy who trapped my brother in railway ghotala ?She was present there if even then she worshipped like a hero was because he helped her and this lead to her getting obsessed with him

anyways Jagya was, is bad and always will be bad here Nothing new 😛The most evil person in show Never did any good 😛

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642126

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Posted: 11 years ago

#118

Anandi saw wayward girls like Chanda in her village and saw Sugna fooling her family. Still she never got influenced and behaved badly.

It is not just her teacher but also her mother who scolded her and also lectured her on right and wrong. Then of course DS.

Character is inherent quality. Those who are strong do not get affected by company.

Jagya learnt nothing even from his father's tears and breakdown after marksheet kaand, stealing cash and running to Mumbai kaand. He repeated mistakes.

Even now Ganga is stronger and is better judge of people as Aps pointed. She erred only once in Mangalore but learnt from one experience itself.

(No baby while being student? Was it about being a student or only enjoying? Was he not a student still when he impregnated Gauri?)

Nandu is like DS, Basant, Mahavir, Jagya - late bloomer in conscience.

Too bad positive Bhairon is no longer there in BH.