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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: The_Alchemist.

Sanchi was cheated and raped. And then she redeemed. It is sad that there are people who think she wasn't punished enough to accept her change. 👎🏼


J's punishment was nothing compared to Sanchi's.

No woman whether good or bad deserves to be violated like that.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: rohini55

Alchemist

Everything is in relation to the other person. Because they made a villain of Saanchi, by comparison whatever wrong Jagya did became the right thing to do.
Jagya's conduct with regard to Sanchi ought not to have been judged by whether or not she was a nice person. It should have been judged by whether he was wrong per se.
And in my opinion he was wrong.
He broke the engagement after two solid assurances to Shiv and Ira.
Shiv suspected something was amiss and offered him an escape route on the day of the engagement. J told him he knew what he was doing.
This is what turned Shiv against Jagya and not his "blind love" for his sister. Shiv did not love his sister any less on the day of the engagement.
And yet he was prepared to take Jagya's reservations with regard to his sister on board. He was willing to be told by J that he was not interested in the match or that it was not the right match.
Shiv is a man of principles. He is a man of his word. He became livid because Jagya gave his word and went back on it
Ira asked him whether he was happy with Saanchi at a much later stage, when he was already half in love with Ganga and knew it. Even then he did not come clean with the family.
And then he broke the engagement because Sa made fun of his family. Did he tell this to the family? No, he didn't. Had he himself told them what the reason was, they would not have been so angry.
That was the correct procedure to follow, and not to leave the family confused and bewildered about why he changed his mind.
He followed this by marrying Ganga dramatically in front of Shiv's family which naturally shocked them.
All of his acts are unforgiveable -- but because they happened in reference to Sa, he not only got away with them but managed to get sympathy for himself.
Jagya had many opportunities to gracefully disengage himself from Saanchi. He should have told her all about his past and disabused her of the notion that he was the wronged party in the JaAn relationship.
He did not do that resulting in Sa continuing to think that she alone understood him.
In actuality then Sa was wronged thrice. First because J did not debunk the myth that he was a spotless human. Second, when he broke off with her after giving many assurances and without offering a reason.
And third when he married Ganga without giving Sa time to understand and accept that the relationship was over. Whether Sa came to terms with it or not is irrelevant here. He should have given her that chance
He should have said the relationship was over regardless of Ganga. But by marrying G in the way he did, he rightly in my opinion, became an accused in the eyes of KB folks.
This meant that he was cheating on Sa and all his assurances were false all along. He broke the engagement because of G and Sanchi's behaviour was only a convenient excuse for it..
But the sequence of guilt has been whitewashed because Sa was a horrid person.
J's actions should be examined by themselves.


Rohini, like spuja said, I have written these same points in different words in a no. of posts when this track happened(with my previous id though). So I couldn't agree more!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: tiny15

being abuser i mean basically he was not abuser as we saw him wen he got mrd A wen was child. wen they mrd he even helped & protected her but wen DS saw it she poisone dhim against A saying beendanis shud do this & u r superior a s beend etc.and BS didn't corrcted it(his fault is this he let DS condition jagya 4 watever reasons.)he started abusing A after DS's poisoning only .

so i mean by his basic nature is not of abuser. he strayed & also let DS influence him. but we've seen many cases where grandparents/parents do like this & their kids even basically r gud tend 2 do bad 2 oders.but if sum1 correct them or life taught them & they learnt their lessons they bcum gud again.


Well if you get influenced that easily by other's shows you are not strong mentally and do not have common sense to see from right to wrong.

The major difference between Anandi & Jagya was that she never let DS negative influence her while Jagya did because he was not mentally strong enough.

DS did bad both to Anandi & Jagya, as they are from different sex their reaction will be also different.

Men & women react differently to mental abuse.

Anandi has what you call "Stockholm syndrome", DS abused her mentally but still she loves her.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sunflower52


Well if you get influenced that easily by other's shows you are not strong mentally and do not have common sense to see from right to wrong.

The major difference between Anandi & Jagya was that she never let DS negative influence her while Jagya did because he was not mentally strong enough.

DS did bad both to Anandi & Jagya, as they are from different sex their reaction will be also different.

Men & women react differently to mental abuse.

Anandi has what you call "Stockholm syndrome", DS abused her mentally but still she loves her.


OMG just googled Stockholm syndrome. Now I know why she gave such a good character certificate to J😲. No doubt she has it. She pities her abusers!! Look what that old woman has done to a sweet girl like A😡.
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Posted: 11 years ago
@Alchemist
I wasn't disagreeing with you at all. Haven't done so on this forum.
I was agreeing with you and backing you up by elaborating on it -- because the subject of Jagya's redemption keeps coming up.
As you said, many of us , me included, have made these points several times in the past. But looks like we are not convincing enough😔
As for Anandi, bless her, she is a wonderful soul. I like her character and the courage of her conviction.
Even so, there was little need for her to have handed J such a sweeping clean chit in the court during the Saja case. She said he could have NEVER wronged a woman.
I know you have taken up this point before. What clinched the issue for me was a chance viewing of the episode where Shiv broke his engagement to A.
In that episode, A makes no mention of Bal vivah -- which she later blamed for JaAn's separation -- but holds J squarely responsible for destroying her life and leaving her for another woman.She tells Shiv that had it not been for him, she would have crumbled.
So Operation Whitewash has happened at many levels.Anandi was justified in arguing that J had redeemed. But did she have to deny that there was a grey past?
As puja and you have both pointed out, if a person is seen to have redeemed, then it is as if the past gets wiped out.
We may all be sounding like a stuck record, but what to do?
Edited by rohini55 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sunflower52


Well if you get influenced that easily by other's shows you are not strong mentally and do not have common sense to see from right to wrong.

The major difference between Anandi & Jagya was that she never let DS negative influence her while Jagya did because he was not mentally strong enough.

DS did bad both to Anandi & Jagya, as they are from different sex their reaction will be also different.

Men & women react differently to mental abuse.

Anandi has what you call "Stockholm syndrome", DS abused her mentally but still she loves her.


I'd have to disagree with you here. Jagya was of a tender age, he couldn't have resisted indoctrination. Plus, he had a rose-tinted view of Dadisaa and her ways, so had no problems blindly taking in her teachings, while Anandi was constantly discriminated against and instinctively rebelled.

However, I agree with you on Jagya's impropriety in the manner of breaking off with Sanchi. He did commit to her by saying "yes" to the engagement, and then ignored her. His actual mistake was cowering before his family's demands of marrying Sanchi without any thought as to his and Sanchi's future happiness. And then, he just left without a proper explanation, which was highly insulting.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz


I'd have to disagree with you here. Jagya was of a tender age, he couldn't have resisted indoctrination. Plus, he had a rose-tinted view of Dadisaa and her ways, so had no problems blindly taking in her teachings, while Anandi was constantly discriminated against and instinctively rebelled.

However, I agree with you on Jagya's impropriety in the manner of breaking off with Sanchi. He did commit to her by saying "yes" to the engagement, and then ignored her. His actual mistake was cowering before his family's demands of marrying Sanchi without any thought as to his and Sanchi's future happiness. And then, he just left without a proper explanation, which was highly insulting.


DS made Jagya mentally weak and his parents for not doing enough to wipe DS negativity placed on Jagya. Jagya still has that view about DS, I do not remember much of the story.

Anandi was strong willed that is why she rebelled, if she was not that strong she would have not been able too.

Jagya is not a strong man that is why he was able to get influenced and later repeated the same mistake with Sanchi.

Then even Anandi was at a tender age still some how she had enough sense that what DS was doing wrong.

Anandi & Jagya were both children and were raised by DS.
Edited by sunflower52 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Coming back to the topic.
Nandu is following his bro's foot steps. Whether it is genes or conditioning or whatever...he is doing exactly what is bro did. That is to take the maximum advantage of the available resources😆. In his bro's case, it was his child-bride who grew up with him. In Nandu's case it is his bro's power. I just hope he learns his lessons soon. The sooner the better.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Anandi was dragged in this topic by some who want to wish away or cannot take a word on glorious history of DS, Mahavir Singh, Jagya, Basant - who have genetic, familial, modeling influence on him.
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Posted: 11 years ago
No, problem - this only confirms that Anandi is the central character - no matter where the story begins, she will have to be dragged in. Without her, the discussion is incomplete.

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