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Posted: 12 years ago
@ coolsandhu... thanks!

nice discussion n opinions r very enlightening!
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Posted: 12 years ago
or Is it the "willingly" of a woman who sees the pregnancy as a ticket out of being abused and being a domestic servant?

Exactly my thoughts😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
I think Jagya has the right to be angry. Heroism and benevolence has been an expected norm from Jagya...when he wanted to make a career of his own, for his own dreams---everyone vented out their disappointment on him...because he wasn't thinking about the parivaar and the village. A seventeen/eighteen year old boy should have desired to be a "Doctor" for the sake of whole village and not think about his own, personal dreams. Since when has serving personal interests become acceptable in the Holy land of "Balika Vadhu". Only community interests can stand above the joint family paarivaarik interests--while personal goals, feelings, and aspirations are trivial and worthless---only villains are allowed to have and follow goals that serve their own interests!

Jagya is ONLY expecting from Sumitra what he has been trained to do...what ALL bahus of tele-world have been doing since the days of "Kyunki saas bhee kabhi bahu thhi" !! So what's the big deal if Sumitra is ALSO is expected to be sacrificing, benevolent, large hearted...she is just one of the hundreds of characters of Indian TV, who are supposed to religiously follow the guidelines of altruistic behavior 😛

Sumitra's disliking Ganga is completely a personal thing...personally I think it's not villainous to not fall in love with a helpless stranger--or even do your best to NOT live with someone who you do not want to live with. Large heartedness cannot be shoved down people's throat...even if it wasn't about family interests---some people find it suffocating if "outsiders" enter into their space--and their definition of outsiders is their own internal definition. Here Sumitra was feeling threatened by Ganga's baggage. I don't blame Ganga, but she is a victim of circumstances, not of Sumitra's misdeeds.
Edited by hima_123 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: hima_123

I think Jagya has the right to be angry. Heroism and benevolence has been an expected norm from Jagya...when he wanted to make a career of his own, for his own dreams---everyone vented out their disappointment on him...because he wasn't thinking about the parivaar and the village. A seventeen/eighteen year old boy should have desired to be a "Doctor" for the sake of whole village and not think about his own, personal dreams. Since when has serving personal interests become acceptable in the Holy land of "Balika Vadhu". Only community interests can stand above the joint family paarivaarik interests--while personal goals, feelings, and aspirations are trivial and worthless---only villains are allowed to have and follow goals that serve their own interests!

Hima,
I agree with the broad thrust of your post. However, this portion above I feel is a little harsh on balika vadhu.
It's not that a 17/18 year old Jagya was "forced" into being a "doctor" for "community interests" thereby stampeding all over his personal aspirations to become a journalist or an engineer or a lawyer.
Dadisa and Bhairon never wanted Jagya to be a doctor or to go to the city. This was Jagya's own little dream. They wanted him to be a 'sahukar' and take over their line of agricultural work as well as money-lending practices as the next generation of dadisa's money lending business. But Jagya was insistent on being a doctor, and he begged anandi to convince the family on his own behalf.
At the time, 17-18 year old Jagya HIMSELF used reasons of "community interests"; "No doctor in Jayetsar"; "No health care in Jayetsar"; "Varun's twisted foot" etc. etc. as all sorts of reasons to convince Bhairon and dadisa to let him pursue a career in medicine ... and anandi seconded all these reasons. Finally B and D agreed to allow him to go to the city to study medicine.
At the time, there was an implicit or tacit agreement between B and D and J, that Jagya would come back ... particularly all the discussion about Varun's foot and there being no health care in Jayetsar... and J's own lofty declarations about how he would change the face of rural health care.
So, let us be clear that J himself used reasons of "community" and not his personal interests as his flagpole to hoist his own interests.
Now after going to Bombay he started becoming "city bred" ... and on his own changed his agenda of wanting to go back to Jayetsar for "community reasons" because he felt rural stuff is beneath him now. HOWEVER, HE DISHONESTLY NEGLECTED TO CONVEY THIS TO BHAIRON AND DADISA.
I feel that if two parties (in this case J and his family) agree to something in a particular context, no matter how tacit and implicit it is, and no matter that it has not been explicitly codified into a legal contract 😆, then the moment one party decides that the agreement is no longer working for him, he has an obligation to make sure that the other party is aware of the change of mind/status.
There was considerable dishonesty in the way that J continued to let his family be under the impression that he was coming back to Jayetsar to serve "community interests".
Naturally, nobody could have predicted that the singh family would in a matter of one week prior to his graduation suddenly erect a hospital in Jayetsar. Least of all J himself. However, I still feel that if he had let his family know his now newly found suburban interests, his family would not have really gone through the trouble of constructing the hospital... or if they did, would have gone and found doctors who were generally interested in practicing rural health care.
Given that the singhs were under the impression that he would come back to Jayetsar, naturally they were shocked and were THEN AT THAT POINT questioning his allegiance to community, but that was because of the carefully guarded sheath of lies that Jagya himself had put up.
Then, because he wanted to be close to Gauri, he decided to go back for a masters degree in surgery back to Mumbai. Even at that time, he was dishonest with both B and D. He never told them about Gauri and he never revealed that he was interested in staying in Bombay permanently.
He constructed a cock and bull story about how Jayetsar would benefit, if he had further higher qualifications of M.S. and not just MBBS. B and D though disappointed, readily agreed to let him go back to Bombay to study further.
But the key to remember is that even at this point, Jagya himself played the "community interests" trump card to serve his own personal agenda, and lied about having a keen interest in Jayetsar's development when his real interest was Gauri.
The singh family naturally took their personal cue from him and thereby started talking about "village interests" themselves and "serving the greater good".
If Jagya had been honest with B and D and just let them know that he really just wanted to be a doctor in private practice in Bombay, I think they would eventually have agreed to it and let him be happy. But for doing so, they would have had to atleast KNOW first that Jagya's interests did not lie in village development, and J let them continue under the deception or the delusion that he would indeed be coming back.
So let us not blame Bhairon and Dadisa for trying to force Jagya to be a doctor to serve community interests. Nothing could be further from the truth.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Jagya wanted to do MBBS and come back when he went. But then two things happened to him
- City life
- Gauri
And at that point he just cudn't tear himself away from here and go back and see himself enshrined in that small little village with his unexposed ghunghat wali biwi for the REST of his LIFE !!

I could relate to him and I coudl also understand that he felt - if he said so - outright - everyone wud call him selfish and not understand his wanting to live this other life too.

And so - he delayed the telling and bought himself 2 more years on the pretext of doing MS - but eventually the truth caught up and his guilt too and made a royal mess of his life in every which way.
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Jagya went trhu what probably a lot of village kids go thru when they come to the big metros. Or what a lot of indians do when they come to the BIG APPLE 😉 ! I've seen enough people there to know how suddenly their accent and habits and tastes and what they consider cool changes over night. and how they like to shun people from their own background from fear that they show up as the crows they are and not the peacocks they r posing to be. 🤣
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It is not always an easy transition for many. After some hiccups - most people do tend to settle down. Jagya has settled down here and he also feels comfortable in a city and this is very good to see. Shiv is a great example of a city guy who does not mock villagers.

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Posted: 12 years ago
🤣Oh man Hooked, I've seen quite a few 'peacocks' who apparently won't take Indian food to work cos it's stinky. They don't want Indian decor in their homes and the cherry on the top, 'oh, I don't watch Indian television, (yawn) you see one you've seen them all'. But they're closet watchers. 😉



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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Picasso9

🤣Oh man Hooked, I've seen quite a few 'peacocks' who apparently won't take Indian food to work cos it's stinky. They don't want Indian decor in their homes and the cherry on the top, 'oh, I don't watch Indian television, (yawn) you see one you've seen them all'. But they're closet watchers. 😉






It is below their dignity to watch Indian teleserials and they all love only american, british tv! Only their grannys watch Indian television. Their jaws drop when I say I watch Indian tv serials.😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
They also want to go out for /talk about only thai or mexican or american or whatever other non-indian cuisine coz indian is so "greasy" 🤣
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Posted: 12 years ago
This outsiders, my space etc. has many meanings. Many prefer nuclear families and in laws visit always turns things upside down. The in laws start mollycoddling their little sons and daughters and SPOIL them.

Likewise bahus also are outsiders and as such they dont have the privilege of getting up late, skipping family chores etc. It is the sacred duty of bahus to get up early, take bath, prepare breakfast and do the daily pooja and arti while other family members join her.

Sumitra has issues with ganga for other reasons rather than that she is an outsider.
Edited by leavesandwaves - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves



It is below their dignity to watch Indian teleserials and they all love only american, british tv! Only their grannys watch Indian television. Their jaws drop when I say I watch Indian tv serials.😆


You know what, i tell the I prefer sitting and watching mindless tv then gossiping about other on the phone.

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