Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ
@Saba & Shanky , etc.- am biased per you and per me your perspective of Jagya is skewed... guess we will have to agree to disagree.
I do think J has tried to change and realized a lot. But, he is not fully reformed. I could explain the why with a 1001 examples - i.e. he goes to Udaipur with excuse of exhibition to see Anandi. He even admits that to himself. If he was truly "evolved" then he would have admitted it before going to Udaipur and not gone. The times he unnecessarily got mad with Ganga. There are many similar examples where J remains flawed...but there is no point in my saying this to you as you only opt to see what suits your view of him.
Also, even if am a blind hater of J... then considering his past misdeeds, I am entitled to hate a character that ruined the lives of two women with his lies & immaturity...and vengefully tried to ruin shiv's too. Those things can't be erased with a "sorry" ... Not all suffer from amnesia like the Singhs or are as Mahaan as Anandi and Shiv. J's sins require more than guilt n gyaan from Ganga.
Lastly, whether I love or hate him... J is integral to the BV story and adds a spice to it.
you are entitled to your opinion and no objection to that you hate or love whoever does it affect anyone? NOOO who cares for it either but objection is to your wrong criticism Who said he has fully reformed ? who can fully reform? A person keeps learning all his life and trying to remove the flaws in him Thats we call reformation the process which keep going and he is doing that isn't he ?Perfection is not guaranteed in human beings but at least he is trying to change himself which you too accept. Is he causing any trouble to anyone now ?No so why bashing him ?Why not try to take him as human being either or only Shiv , Anandi or even Gauri who has done numerous sins but still you are extra supportive to her are human beings not him The blame you put on him the selfishness is innate in him that he is still thinking about his life My question to you is it wrong ? Selfishness is innate quality of mankind everyone thinks about his life You and me too do but until a person doesn't take wrong steps for it to achieve his happiness then there is nothing wrong in thinking about his life so whats your point of objection mocking him calling him a snake here and criticizing him he has not reformed he will never change ? if the works that now he is doing you condemn it calling them selfish then i guess such selfishness for example helping Ganga, making his family happy , being considerate to his partner whoever Singhs are forcing him to marry he is again and again refusing i cannot destroy another life because i am not ready to marry etc such works are selfishness for you then such selfishness is above thousand unselfishness because it is extremely noble works he is doing
You are blaming him he is still remembering Anandi he has not yet changed calling him snake for it my question to you can you answer which person in the world can forget these memories so soon ?could Anandi do so ? how much time she took to forget him even after her engagement and marriage with Shiv she was getting Jagaya's memories did you call her a bad person for it No because it is difficult to get over past it takes time and moreover something to cover it up with.Did you bashed Anandi or called her names when she was having memories of Jagaya ? Jagaya is at least trying to move on not trying to get Anandi back in his life so what is your point to say he has not yet redeeming ?
If he was mad at Ganga he was mad because of his emotional state i guess only two times he did because he was disturbed at that time and she tried to lecture him, wrong was she there she had no right to do so , she was forcing him , he got angry but didn't he apologized to her later and now he has developed enough patience even when she lectures him he controls whether he likes or hate it so can' t you see this reformation ?Ganga when she was disturbed she burnt his arm .Did you call her names for it or she is a bad person here and she hasn't apologized for it till now Anandi yelled at Shiv numerous times with no fault of him did we bash her for it and called her names ? i am not talking about others but only you Did you do that ?
For your information when he decided for exhibition in Udaipur he didn't want to meet Anandi later this desire produced in him when Singhs forced him for gift idea otherwise he was suppressing it all the while His dialogue if you listened it he said i was lying to myself so he was trying to cover up his desire and whats so wrong if he wanted to meet her only to know how she is , otherwise there is no soul satisfaction he is going to get to see her with Shiv even Anandi does desire to meet him or talk to him on phone This is not crime to desire to know about how your childhood partner is now
He runied his own life why can't you see that he is blaming himself for all and want to punish him for ever for this though there were other circumstances too he is not the only one to be blamed You are blaming he ruined two woman Wow i can see you are ardent Gauri's supporter but in my opinion she ruined her own life if you are blaming him for her then blame her also for ruining his life why so much biasim ''😲just because Gauri is a woman😲Has she done no wrong to him?if according to you she cannot be blamed for him so even he is not to be blamed for her i don't think he can do anything to devi maa now Her conscience she herself can produce no one can spoon feed her and if i am not wrong he did not beg to anyone later to forgive him they did themselves seeing he is changed and helped them at many places too Whats in his hands he is doing How much he can do he is doing which one in million people do He is not at simple sorry but doing all he can do Good works erase bad works, for him it be will erased too thats my belief if not yours then it is your opinion but God too forgives a person who tries accept his mistakes and do all to correct them Jagaya is doing what he can do You want him to move on from past though he is trying hard but still you are bashing him for it and for yourself you cannot see present of a person but hate a person on basis of his past mistakes Past is eternal for you.Funny😆
Ganga is not lecturing him If she did few times she is only a helping hand a guide just like he is for her Everyone needs guidance A human being does but when you take him as a human being 😆but the fact is if he is listening to Ganga and tries to find sense in her words and change him accordingly then that shows his redemption. otherwise he won't even give one damn to her No person's lectures can change you until you don't have desire to do so seeing what the person is saying is right so Ganga is not changing Jagaya he is changing himself on his own for better
I see you guys will never get your satisfaction ever first you were bashing him when he left for laxmiganj he should come back and serve his family and place thats the most adverse situation he will show his redemption now when he is back you and your friends have again problem everything is so easy for him here though its not but for you is so the point is you never want to be satisfied ever 😆so keeping it up 😆
He is male lead of the show so his presence in show or character is not because of your like or dislike neither mine and he is an interesting character because he is not a super human being like Anandi and Shiv .He did mistakes in his life and now doing effort to correct him how much he can he is trying to make himself a better person and bring happiness for everyone but unfortunately he is still being treated as trash by some here because they don't consider him anything but only their punch bag for that they can go beyond illogical too .Khair never mind lets agree to disagree we will never agree and you keep hating him forever stuck on his past i don't care May be someday you will get your satisfaction though the case is different i don't think you will ever get because the issue is simple you don't want thats pretty clear from your posts
I didn't call you blind basher before you called us blind fans bhakts so take that for yourself as well and to tell you i guess you don't know me but i was among that group who criticized him all along when he was wrong on ankit's threads mostly despite i loved Shashank from day one with all my heart but i have beaten Jagaya black and blue when he was wrong but for now i accept his change and appreciate his change because for me wrong is wrong right is right and Jagaya is no way wrong for me now so i appreciate his efforts for becoming a better person but seems like he cannot convince all especially your group because in more more more you are only finding an excuse to keep your hatred on and you keep changing from here to there sometimes this and when he does that you change no that he is not redeeming because he must do your new logic 😆sorry again but i found your criticism only forced to satisfy your hatred and no single point valid in it
Edited by saba113 - 12 years ago
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