No need for sorry, Shiv needed a Dose of Reality:P

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sometimes we don't realize the pain/tragedy of a situation till we ourselves experience at least a slice of that pain in person. Like inoculation.

Shiv is a sensible man with strong principles. But, I don't think he has ever known been a "victim"...so, how can he fully understand Anandi? Sympathy and admiration is not the same as Empathy. And empathy can only come from walking a few steps in her shoes! Anandi got rejected after giving all (heart, soul, and body) to Jagiya for almost two decades (17 years). If Shiv can't take this little "rejection" after knowing Anandi for a few weeks/months then he would not be Anandi's Mr.Right. He and the audience jumping down on Anandi today need to reflect on this. We are wondering about how hard it will be for Shiv to interact with Anandi post-rejection. Anandi had to put up with Jogiya having his suhaag raat down the hall. Shiv's dard comparatively is mosquito bite to Anandi's snake bite.

Yes. He hasn't done any wrong per se, but what right has he done? Why should Anandi trust him on a personal level with her heart and her future? He has yet to earn that trust. And he has yet to fully grasp her pain. He doesn't even grasp Ashi - who is his "friend". If he wants an exceptional woman with her own identity then he needs to work on winning her personal trust, healing her hurts, and correcting her misconceptions about his reasons for accepting Daadisa's proposal.

So, my advice to Shivraj Shekhar...if you want an exceptional dulhaan then roll up your sleeves and show her you are a worthy dulha... stop riding on Daadisa's anchal!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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thank you Anjana. I was not able to put my feelings into words which you have done sooo wonderfully!! 👏

Thank you VERY VERY much!
<<wiping tear off my face :**sniff**:
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Posted: 13 years ago
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He needs to prove himself that he will NOT hurt Anandi. very well said. Honestly many are jumping on Anandi as to why she blasted Shiv. Its so hard for that girl. She is feeling all time low again. Her divorce on the way and another man in sight ready to trample her feelings again!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suchi-Virmanian

He needs to prove himself that he will NOT hurt Anandi. very well said. Honestly many are jumping on Anandi as to why she blasted Shiv. Its so hard for that girl. She is feeling all time low again. Her divorce on the way and another man in sight ready to trample her feelings again!



I would put it as "Her divorce on the way and another successful man in sight ready to take her even before she tasted her success and decided what she wants to do with her independence"

We can see Anandi how far she was trying to go away from all the semblences of her past life.
  • Bhairon wanted her to become a doctor. But Anandi though having the capability wanted to achieve something different from Jagayya and Gauri
  • Now she is in the same field as Shiv. Public/civic administration. Consciously/unconsciously the professional competency factor will affect Anandi. You do not like to marry a colleague if there are no feelings there or there has has never been any allusion from your perspective towards any different kind of relationship. Shiv is just someone whom Anandi knows work-wise and is a good person.
  • And on personal level, Anandi wouldn't want to jeopardize her career at this point. That she has to safeguard for her own reasons, because Anandi is rediscovering herself through her career. She is safeguarding the professional relationship she has with Shiv.

I will forgive her brash manner at dealing with the Collector when it comes to her assessment of how far her enterprise should be governed by him. She is 100% right with regards to refusing the trip back home in the jeep, or the school grant. But is 100% wrong in the manner she gives the rebuttal to Shiv. She is sending wrong vibes to the man. But then again, more of CV's problem than Anandi's problem. While they made it too staid of her character with Jagya to be shown suffering and now they are making her too brash with Shiv to be shown the re-emerging Anandi minus the Beendni.

The timing was so wrong that Anandi got to know all these plans. Its all Aashi's (CV's) fault in spilling the beans as logically Dadisa knew Anandi was not ready and Shiv knew he has to talk to his parents first before he did anything with Anandi or win her trust.

Shiv needed a dose of reality, but not this hard. But then this is drama. Anguish, pain all can only be shown in dramatic form for the audience to register it. 😆

Might I as well say...Karunya, Raudra and Adbhuta Ras going on in tandem for all the four characters Anandi, Dadisa, Shiv and Ashi. 😆

Edited by shridevigaddam - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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It would be the case that shiv needed a dose of reality, if in some way, he had taken anandi for granted ... here shiv is innocent ... dadisa is the culprit... and if at all anyone needs a dose of reality from anandi -- it should have been dadisa -- and anandi should have asked dadisa herself to put an end to this nonsense proposal with shiv.
What is shiv's fault ? That he didnt play coy or hard to get about his feelings? That he was honest enough to accept dadisa's proposal? She asked, he said yes. Where is the question of him needing to "work" for anandi?
And he is yet to figure out what his parents feel about the matter ... he has not given a firm commitment to dadisa ... it was just a partial commitment ... he had to get his parents approval too... maybe his parents will have certain issues (divorcee or non-divorcee -- they too must be having aspirations about what they feel is required in a daughter-in-law) ... maybe he required time to think through his parents wishes and to convince them if they were not in favour of it.
I think there was no point of reference for her to go to shiv at all... since dadisa initiated it she should have told dadisa to cancel it and be done with it.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Sometimes we don't realize the pain/tragedy of a situation till we ourselves experience at least a slice of that pain in person. Like inoculation.


Shiv is a sensible man with strong principles. But, I don't think he has ever known been a "victim"...so, how can he fully understand Anandi? Sympathy and admiration is not the same as Empathy. And empathy can only come from walking a few steps in her shoes! Anandi got rejected after giving all (heart, soul, and body) to Jagiya for almost two decades (17 years). If Shiv can't take this little "rejection" after knowing Anandi for a few weeks/months then he would not be Anandi's Mr.Right. He and the audience jumping down on Anandi today need to reflect on this. We are wondering about how hard it will be for Shiv to interact with Anandi post-rejection. Anandi had to put up with Jogiya having his suhaag raat down the hall. Shiv's dard comparatively is mosquito bite to Anandi's snake bite.

Yes. He hasn't done any wrong per se, but what right has he done? Why should Anandi trust him on a personal level with her heart and her future? He has yet to earn that trust. And he has yet to fully grasp her pain. He doesn't even grasp Ashi - who is his "friend". If he wants an exceptional woman with her own identity then he needs to work on winning her personal trust, healing her hurts, and correcting her misconceptions about his reasons for accepting Daadisa's proposal.

So, my advice to Shivraj Shekhar...if you want an exceptional dulhaan then roll up your sleeves and show her you are a worthy dulha... stop riding on Daadisa's anchal!

mera bhi wahi manna hai ki shiv ko sabse pahele Anandi ke munn mein chhupe hue darr aur dard dono ko mitana hoga aur uske liye use thodi si mahenat karni padegi. i hope woh bina nirash hue Aanandi ko jitne mein kamyaab ho jaaye.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ofcourse Shiv does not know and will probably not understand fully what Anandi has gone through.
But, what is Shiv's fault in this whole thing ? What was he supposed to say when Dadisa kept the proposal in front of him ? There was absolutely no need for Anandi to confront Shiv at all. Since DS initiated it she could have told DS to convey her rejection to Shiv also.

I don't think Anandi is so dumb that she could not see Shiv's feelings for her. The way he was looking at her while removing the streamer, the way he praised and looking at her during the party. She needs to do some serious introspection.

From her POV, it is hard and the way the situations came across she pounced on him. But, thinking from Shiv's POV, he probably will understand her rejection in the coming days but not the outburst and her comment that he accepted out of pity. She misunderstood him the last time also, again in her angry avtaar she blasted him. Once he told his POV she said sorry.

We, viewers know both sides and we definitely have to understand that Shiv was not at fault. Anandi was riding high on emotions and sometimes when we are angry we don't think straight.

I am hoping that she will apologise when she understands that he didn't accept the proposal out of pity but bcos he loves her.
Edited by dixie123 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo & Dixie: I gotta partly disagree. I never said Shiv, was at "fault". I just think Shiv was living in a dreamworld if he thought Anandi was going to easily accept this rishta. Anandi is trying to establish her swabhimaan - her identity. She has suffered through bal vivah and her husband's wholesale rejection. Shiv himself has observed several jhalaks of her immense pain:

1. At the workout grounds, when she walked off at his innocent mention of up&downs of life;
2. When she blasted him at the school for offering help and again when she got the first letter about the grant for the school;
3. After the whole bal vivah interview when he worked out that her need to help others comes partly from her own pain and suffocation.

Moreover, Bheem Singh told him about her kidnapping via Heth Singh and Daadisa told him that they are in the process of finalizing her divorce to her husband.

Its great that he has no issues with her being a divorcee, but bottomline is that he failed to factor in that she is about to be a divorcee and is a victim of bal vivah. Those things have had a great impact on her psyche...its a reality he has to face about Anandi. And decide if it is something he wants to consciously taken on. The strength he so admires in her - her different perspective - the grit... all of that was forged through immense pain. Can he heal that pain? Does he even want to?

That's introspection that he's so far failed to do...before accepting Daadisa's proposal. He saw the upside...the outside Anandi (and I don't mean looks) who is educated, wise, passionate, and patient... now he needs to want the inside Anandi - the one with ragged edges, fears, doubts, and insecurities.

By leaving it to daadisa to ask Anandi, he not only failed to consider the complete Anandi... he left daadisa to do the convincing and/or assumed that Anandi would acquiesce - which, if he had reflected on for more than a minute...he would have realized may not be all that easy.

Also, the suggestion that Anandi was falling for him... So, far except for the champi, which on her part was innocent...she hasn't exactly been extra nice to him. LOL - She calls him "collectorsaab" not even Shivji. He himself even wondered if she was avoiding him earlier on his birthday...and he thinks she is ready to accept marriage! Get REAL!

That is why I stand by my position - Shiv needed a reality check both about Anandi and his "best friend"😆 Time for Mr.Oblivious to wake up and get to work!
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yes I do agree that Shiv did nothing wrong...but blaming Anandi for blasting at him is not right
Firstly, the whole marriage plan came before her eyes all of a sudden and at the worst possible time [while reading the divorce notice]..
Secondly, she got a permanent scar from her previous marriage..It had lasted for 17yrs!! Yesterday she even made it clear that she does not want the same thing to happen again. That so clearly shows that she is scared of putting herself in the same position once she was in..
Like she said it may be possible that this marriage too might turn out like the previous one..
Shiv has to work now to gain her trust and prove that he really does love her..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ

Tinoo & Dixie: I gotta partly disagree. I never said Shiv, was at "fault". I just think Shiv was living in a dreamworld if he thought Anandi was going to easily accept this rishta. Anandi is trying to establish her swabhimaan - her identity. She has suffered through bal vivah and her husband's wholesale rejection. Shiv himself has observed several jhalaks of her immense pain:


1. At the workout grounds, when she walked off at his innocent mention of up&downs of life;
2. When she blasted him at the school for offering help and again when she got the first letter about the grant for the school;
3. After the whole bal vivah interview when he worked out that her need to help others comes partly from her own pain and suffocation.

Moreover, Bheem Singh told him about her kidnapping via Heth Singh and Daadisa told him that they are in the process of finalizing her divorce to her husband.

Its great that he has no issues with her being a divorcee, but bottomline is that he failed to factor in that she is about to be a divorcee and is a victim of bal vivah. Those things have had a great impact on her psyche...its a reality he has to face about Anandi. And decide if it is something he wants to consciously taken on. The strength he so admires in her - her different perspective - the grit... all of that was forged through immense pain. Can he heal that pain? Does he even want to?

That's introspection that he's so far failed to do...before accepting Daadisa's proposal. He saw the upside...the outside Anandi (and I don't mean looks) who is educated, wise, passionate, and patient... now he needs to want the inside Anandi - the one with ragged edges, fears, doubts, and insecurities.

By leaving it to daadisa to ask Anandi, he not only failed to consider the complete Anandi... he left daadisa to do the convincing and/or assumed that Anandi would acquiesce - which, if he had reflected on for more than a minute...he would have realized may not be all that easy.

Also, the suggestion that Anandi was falling for him... So, far except for the champi, which on her part was innocent...she hasn't exactly been extra nice to him. LOL - She calls him "collectorsaab" not even Shivji. He himself even wondered if she was avoiding him earlier on his birthday...and he thinks she is ready to accept marriage! Get REAL!

That is why I stand by my position - Shiv needed a reality check both about Anandi and his "best friend"😆 Time for Mr.Oblivious to wake up and get to work!

I think our disagreement is whether Anandi should have confronted him today the way she did.
I am all for Shiv trying to prove his love for Anandi. Only thing I am not agreeing here is whether Anandi should have pounced on him today. If the family had told Shiv of the rejection then they would have told that she is not ready to get married again and at that time he would have done all the introspection you have mentioned.
I think he did not have the time to realise all the above that you have mentioned. I guess only on the morning of his birthday, thinking about the streamer incident, he felt he was acting like a love struck teenager. And in the evening a proposal was made to him. So, between morning and evening was he supposed to analyse Anandi's life ? And only the previous day he came to know that she has suffered as a Balika Vadhu. He was in love for God's sake and I guess when in love everything looks rosy. At the party he was too emotional to analyze.
There was no need for Anandi to pounce on him and keep saying "Mera pati mujhe chod ke chala gaya hai, iska matlab ye nahin ki main lachar hoon" and all that stuff.

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