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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

My statement still stands ... the crux of the issue is that shiv is NOT in love with ashi... If he were in love with ashi, then yes there would be a contradiction. Yet, given that he is NOT in love with ashi, has never given her any encouragement and till date does not reach out to her actively, my statement still stands.

The rest of your post is absolutely brilliant!!

No I was refering to something else, I will come back later. Ineed to rest. Honestly if I had written this much in my school exam I know where I would have been. hehehhe. It was an earlier debate we had when we didn't know Ashi was his girlfriend, not recent one!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

No I was refering to something else, I will come back later. Ineed to rest. Honestly if I had written this much in my school exam I know where I would have been. hehehhe. It was an earlier debate we had when we didn't know Ashi was his girlfriend, not recent one!



@red...lolzzz...same love...if i ahve given even .01% of the thought and writing i give now...lolzzz...i certainly would have been on different PLANET😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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okay i will wait .. but i think i understand where you are coming from ...
the key is that i was not talking about my own moral compass 😆😆
i was talking about dadisa's moral compass -- she had serious issues with gauri taking away jagdish ... so i felt then that she should have similar moral qualms about breaking up shiv and ashi ... particularly since it was not known whether or not he was really in a relationship with her or not. Instead she feels perfectly happy to break up ashi and shoo her from the picture to rope in shiv as her new kanwarsaa.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

Thanks anjana.d -- fantastic reply 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

I love it and ofcourse am not offended. Appreciate your taking the time to let me know.
I havent seen event horizon, but will definitely do so. Thanks for the movie recommendation.

thank u and i jus cudnt resist talking more about my favorite and only horror movie i have ever watched . it is a cult classic!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

okay i will wait .. but i think i understand where you are coming from ...

the key is that i was not talking about my own moral compass 😆😆
i was talking about dadisa's moral compass -- she had serious issues with gauri taking away jagdish ... so i felt then that she should have similar moral qualms about breaking up shiv and ashi ... particularly since it was not known whether or not he was really in a relationship with her or not. Instead she feels perfectly happy to break up ashi and shoo her from the picture to rope in shiv as her new kanwarsaa.



DS guilt - not allowing anandi to study in childhood, arranged marriage of jaggu with gauri when anandi was ill which in turn boomeranged on her with jaggu cheating anandi and coming with old gudiya with her signature line " Kyun kyun kyun " , anandi suffered a lot because of DS , when DS started mellowing down jaggu took her place. DS' guilt was so high that she somehow wanted to bring happiness in anandi's life even at the risk of drving ashi way no matter whether its morally correct or not. So the priorities of DS made her just mask her principles for anandi's sake.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

The moral compass has to be more for yourself than for others. The policy of live and let live is best. We are nobody to judge other person. Supporting or believing in some values means we living upto them, not expecting others to follow them. Be the change you want to see 😊. For example if you want support fidelity, them make sure that you are committed, don't expect the same from others or start lecturing them to be one 😆. However you can distance yourself from such people if you are uncomforatble with their company. I once distanced myself from a friend who lied a lot. I didn't lecture her to change, but I couldn't tolerate it. I thought she will sure shot cheat me on something. I am cordial to her still but I don't hang out 😆.

Now why should we follow the right path or so called good values. Nice question. I know one thing deep down we all are good (98%) and we don't want to harm others. So when we do anything painful it does prick our conscience. we can choose to ignore it, but it makes us a dubious person. - truth, honesty, love and forgiveness. i will just take up these values as I know them quite well...
Truth: I think it is good to be truthful and honest as it doesn't blur the world. You just see it as it is and do not seek comfort in a created world. Like in Anandi's case, she accepted the truth and didn't try to distort it by thinking he will be back or I should try something. Sometimes facing the truth can make you a stronger person. I have many times lied to myself but have only suffered. The inevitable happened and I couldn't stop it, but it was more painful because I choose not to see it early. Being honest can also help you go thorugh failures. Many times we end up blaming other person, circumstances rather than assessing our own mistakes. Because we refuse to see our own mistakes, we never improve and consequently end up thinking others to be more lucky. I do not deny tradgedies and back stabbing, but there are other things. I remember during my Mphil a girl couldn't make it through she ended up blaming politics and teacher favourtism. I was with her, and she began telling me about her interview. I could see the mistake. many times she didn't encourage discussion. For ex: She told interviewers that she has studied Rabindranath Tagore. When the interviewers ask her to detail it she couldn't answer it completely, giving some monotonous replies. This is only one, she answered all questions in a confusing ways. Now if she acknowledge her mistake its good right. iIeven paraphrased her answers and told her what could be the possible way out and she could take counselling. At first she agreed but within few days came back to old chant teacher politics! 😲 Of cousre truth can hurt you and confuse, you may not know how to change for instance, but living with lie though comfortable will only stunt you.
Honesty with others can make you win a lot of friends and doesn't complicate life much 😃
Love and forgiveness: Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong not of the weak. Hate only makes your life difficult and makes you feel weak. Its like a prison. Buddha said it correctly, its like holding burnt coal that will hurt you. You can never change the past, best you can do is make peace with it. When Christ said love your enemies, I think he meant don't keep the hate with you because it will take you no where. It's true because I have lived in these tunnels for long and wasted so much time self-pitying and getting angry! And we also end up forgetting other person is also human and not perfect. we cannot expect perfect behaviour forever. A beautiful story below will illustrate what I am saying:

During his pilgrimage to Mecca, a holy man began to feel the presence of God.

In the midst of a trance he knelt down, hid his face and prayed:
"Lord, I ask for only one thing in life: that I be given the grace of never offending you."

"I cannot grant you that grace," answered the Almighty. 'If you don't offend me I shall have no reason to pardon you.

" If I have no need to pardon you, soon you will also forget the importance of mercy towards others.

"So go on your way with Love and let me grant pardon now and again so that you don't forget that virtue as well."😊

In short I think following these values will only make you a better person , follow them for your own good but don't impose them on others 😊
Just one more thing you didn't mind Jagiya marrying gauri and breaking off his marriage. But you gave me such a different view on dating. It won't be a great thing if Shiv falls out of love of Ashi and falls in love Anandi. I think you have contadicted yourself.



nice article yaar . learnt a lot of things after reading this article. Thank you :)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: bluerobin

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DS' guilt was so high that she somehow wanted to bring happiness in anandi's life even at the risk of drving ashi way no matter whether its morally correct or not. So the priorities of DS made her just mask her principles for anandi's sake.

Yes, but isnt that the point of a moral compass? That you dont mask your principles when it suits you ... and practice them only when convenient... you should also practice them when it is uncomfortable for you to do so.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

Yes, but isnt that the point of a moral compass? That you dont mask your principles when it suits you ... and practice them only when convenient... you should also practice them when it is uncomfortable for you to do so.



Yes yaar Ds should not have driven ashi away . Moral principles are not something which should be changed to and fro according to a person's convenience. Anandi was morally correct when she went against her own family in that nandu track even at the risk of basant gehna getting hurt . Because that was the truth. Here DS is morally wrong .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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However, from a broader perspective, I really have to question why a moral compass is required for a person ? What are the benefits that accrue when we lead our life by our values (because all I really feel right now is a sense of grief and loss that one of my best friends is gone out of my life)... I dont know if I am articulating my question properly, but hopefully, if I receive a few responses, it may help me to clarify it and articulate it a little better.

I think moral compass is required for our benefit.To set standards and beliefs for our own selves.For me life is all about trying to meet those standards set for myself and living by my beliefs.But I can not apply those same things to people around me.For instance I am strongly against divorce (I feel quite bad about the divorce happening in my favourite daily soap!).I believe that both husband wife are equally responsible for breakdown of marriage. My views regarding divorce much more strict than the Catholic church though I am not a catholic.A close friend of mine got divorced.Should I break my friendship with her because she has done something that I disapprove of.The Answer is no. So what did I do? I told her my views regarding divorce.So now we kind know we stand regarding the issue of divorce.But we continue to be friends.
What I am trying to say is you can disassociate your self from the person's acts without actually losing a friend.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Very interesting question, Tinoo. I maybe your polar opposite on point. From childhood I had a strong sense of right and wrong. I stood up to the class bullies even when I was not their victim...actually I was more likely to stand up for someone else then for myself. At that age, its not something I reflected upon, but just did instinctively as it felt right.

As I grew up, I got exposed to various philosophies, cultures, and social structures as I traveled, studied, and worked. Eventually, one day as I was campaigning with a local politician...we got into a discussion about law & ethics. It sparked me to realize that we live in a society where we are so into "acceptance" that we are scared to say X, Y, Z is wrong and to judge others. But, law, order, and even societal norms should be and for the most part are for the betterment of people and society as a whole... otherwise we would disintegrate into anarchy. We should change the customs that aren't for betterment, but uphold the ones that are for betterment. And it is in everyone's interests to maintain law, order, and progressive societal norms...its everyone's job not just the duty of politicians, lawyers and police.

Your friend is wrong and is doing wrong. By associating with him despite that wrong you through your silence were condoning his wrong...giving him social/moral license for his wrong. His wrong has detrimental consequences for his children and both wives. He abandoned his children and his wife... so what if they didn't get along. He still had emotional/social obligations especially to those children that he has neglected for years. And now he is consciously defrauding another woman. What happens when he dies? Won't both wives learn the truth? How cheated they both will feel then and how wronged...i.e. the new 'illegal' wife who maybe most in need of financial support after his passing will be the one legally left destitute due to inheritance laws.

We are wrong when we accept wrong or turn a blind eye to it...sometimes as culpable or complicit in the wrong as the wrongdoers. That's why I supported Shiv having everyone attending the wedding arrested not just the boy's father. That's why am glad you spoke up to your friend and Payal to hers. Your friend and Payal's are lucky that I am not their friend... especially yours as I would have told his new "bride" she is not his legal wife!

In India people are fasting against graft/corruption, but some of these people have they themselves often facilitated it by participating in it or by remaining silent about it. If you see a traffic officer taking a bribe - Speak Up. If the only way your friend gets a job is by paying for it then - Complain about it. If your neighbour beats his wife regularly - then Stand Up. If your brother-in-law has a mistress then his wife needs to know! If what they are not doing is wrong then why not do so openly and honestly... in front of all of society? All of these things may not be our personal business but, they are society's business. If we don't stand up for those weaker than what is the point of society? Extrapolating from Hobbesian theory.. society is but, a moral contract we have with others to look out for them and for them to look out for us. When we let others breach that contract without sanction or censure then we surrender the right to complain when others wrong us as well.

Also, from a personal perspective... if your friend is capable of cheating those closest to him...then will he be loyal to you? Think on that if you are missing him. People don't change until they themselves want to change and your friend is perpetuating his wrongs not correcting them. The benefit to yourself is go find a better friend worthy of your time.

As for Daadisa, her moral compass is thora crooked. Remember she herself married Jogia to Gudiya because at the time she felt that was best for her ladesar... though she has developed since then, she still looks out first for her new favorite's (Anandi's) interests. Further she didn't think Ashi was really Shiv's girlfriend despite Ashi's chipkooness. So, her proposal to Shiv was not immoral or unethical. Also, she left the decision to Shiv and he decided. Where she was unethical was in misleading the woman at the temple. That was uncool...she maligned Shiv's character for her own purposes. Imagine that truth comes out in front of Shiv and Anandi someday or infront of Shiv's family? Both Anandi and Daadisa will be soo embarrassed. All actions have consequences we just often don't think about the negative ones when our moral compass is broken...the world would be a better place if we did.

Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 13 years ago

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