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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hey nice post Tinoo👏 Really thought-provoking.
I can just say that the value systems of all religions or castes or countries are all based on ONE universal fact of RIGHTEOUSNESS.See different situations can have different definitions of what is right or what is wrong.But acc. to me the simplest definition of righteousness is doing something which does not harm someone's life.If any act that is done even with the best intentions HARMS anyone's life in the slightest of ways then it is wrong.And this is the basic ground for each and every value system.

Here if we talk about ur friends case then he wasn't wrong till he had no kids.I think before having kids he would have got enough time to decide his status of mind.If then he wud have demanded a divorce then it was still acceptable.But once you have kids you ought to take their responsibility.Its about someone's life afterall.Then you ought to adjust with ur life partner bcoz now its no longer just your life but the life of ur kids as well.No child with divorced parents can ever live with the same mental peace with which a child with both parents lives.Having lost your parent due to some mishap is a different thing but divorced parents is a different issue.See here comes the value system in picture.His first fault was that he left his wife with 2 kids as if she is the only one responsible for them.Financial independence is not everything.Money anyone can earn but only one can give the love of a parent.And your friend left his kids without worrying that who will take the responsibility of their moral upbringing...the responsibility of the security which only a dad can bring...the responsibility of their mental harmony. I think he was just plainly selfish.Secondly ur breaking the friendship is also justified bcoz not only he spoiled the life of his kids but also he is lying to the new girl in his life.Again he is harming so many lives...the girl's life who is living in a false pretext that he is single and she is the only girl in his life plus the girl's family who would be considering him as a trust worthy person.The girls parents dont even know that their daughters future is not secure.Its in the hands of man who is emotionally so insensitive that the concern of his own kids couldn't make him sacrifice his personal happiness or I shud say selfishness.

Now moving the discussion to anandi and jagiya I think the same happened with them also.Yes jagiya was not wrong till he fell in love and decided to remarry.But in that thing he again and again made anandi the victim - the victim of rejection,the victim of a feeling of uselessness...the victim of mental and psychological abuse.He could have told about his feelings in a better manner by giving due respect to anandi and not making her feel dwarf.Then anandi would have taken it as a part and parcel of destiny.But he crushed her self-confidence and made her feel as if she is not desired.He made her feel as if she is not worthy of anything just to prove that his adultery was right! That was the point when he crossed the blink line between right and wrong.Many a times we do wrong things under the wraps of a so called liberal nature or modern outlook.We think that just bcoz we hang out in malls...we see couples smooching shamelessly in public areas...we live in an era of live-in relationships and homosexual relationships...we think that bcoz we do all these things we have become too modern to spoil someone's life and flaunt it as style statement just like Gauri does.No I am not against any of these practices.I am against the fact that ppl use this modernity as an excuse to spoil someone's life.And actually this is what jagiya and gauri do.For gauri its a feather in her cap that she impressed jagiya more than anandi.But that doesnt forgive the mistakes in any way.

So we need our value system only to differentiate these blink lines.There is always a small difference between such emotional povs and dilemmas.and its our value system only which helps us to see beneath these wraps.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

okay i will wait .. but i think i understand where you are coming from ...

the key is that i was not talking about my own moral compass 😆😆
i was talking about dadisa's moral compass -- she had serious issues with gauri taking away jagdish ... so i felt then that she should have similar moral qualms about breaking up shiv and ashi ... particularly since it was not known whether or not he was really in a relationship with her or not. Instead she feels perfectly happy to break up ashi and shoo her from the picture to rope in shiv as her new kanwarsaa.

I never thought about it ths way, Dadisa's behaviour different in both situations But I guess even in reality that's how people are. In this case, DS wants Shiv for anandi by hook or crook. Like they say, everything is fair in war and love.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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i feel in case of daidsa i am going to be a bt partial. anandi has suffered lots , she went thru the pain of a consummated marriage being broken mercilessly for no fault of hers. if jagiya had so many problms wih an unmodern wife then he could have got her enroleld in some university in mumbai, given her a make over, made her a professional. but he did not do that. second option although not as morally correct but neither wrong would have been ... file for divorse before moving in with gauri.
but he moved in with gauri without divorsing anandi and his callous treatment of anandi is well ihave no words.
ashi on the other hand is in one saided love with shiv, is not married , no physical relatios. shiv cannot be held responsible for aashi's situation. and being a modern beautiful girl that she is, there will be no dearth of suitors for her.
while for anandi it is difficult to get a good suitor due to her status as a divorsee. shiv being throughyl intellectual can accept it , while a normal persona may not. situations is clearly tougher for anandi and dadisa's actions can be justified .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjana.d

ashi on the other hand is in one saided love with shiv, is not married , no physical relatios. shiv cannot be held responsible for aashi's situation. and being a modern beautiful girl that she is, there will be no dearth of suitors for her.

Anjana,
I do not think that this is appropriate -- because first of all dadisa is not privy to the one-sided relationship that exists between shiv and ashi -- that is something only we viewers are privy to -- dadisa does not know that shiv has no feelings for ashi -- infact, that is why ashi was present at shiv's birthday party as a figment of dadisa's imagination -- because she clearly saw ashi as a competitor.
How can she know whether there has been a physical relationship or not when ashi was living in the circuit house in jayetsar? Maybe they are in the midst of a long distance relationship. Maybe he has consummated the relationship with her prior to marriage, prior to arriving in jayetsar, while they are in jayetsar... whatever.
And the fact that anandi cannot get suitors like shiv because of her village girl mode and because of her divorcee status does not make it okay for dadisa to try to snatch shiv away from ashi, just because ashi can get other suitors in London...
I understand where dadisa is coming from, but I dont appreciate it.
I would have appreciated it, if at a minimum, before presenting shiv with anandi's proposal, she had atleast asked shiv if he was in a relationship with ashi... after ascertaining that it was one-sided, and that he was single both in the marital and in the emotional sense, then if she decided to throw anandi's hat into the ring, I would fully respect that.
But her intention was that even if ashi-shiv relationship existed, she would break it even if it meant ashi suffering, and I dont think that was correct...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

I have never been a person with a strong moral compass or even an understanding of value systems per se ... much like gauri, I guess my education was limited to learning skills and not necessarily helping me be a person of values.

I've done allright in life, and not done anything that was major -- illegal or unethical. However, I attribute that to not having had any situations that placed me in positions where I really had to think about my value system ... not necessarily because I had a strong moral compass. In general, I think my personality type is also like a mechanical
I think my very first quest for better clarity about my value system came about because of all the discussions on the forum about jagat and gauri's marriage ... what was right? what was wrong? was what was legally okay always something that was morally right as well? ... etc. etc.
Truth be told, I have never had any issues with jagat dumping anandi and moving on with gauri... or gauri's decision to marry him as well... but the hairs on my head bristled when after the marriage, instead of going back to bombay ... they both landed up at the haveli walking in hand in hand indecently knowing that anandi was present there... and that is where something really violently snapped within me. And that is where I think my quest for really clarifying what was ethical (to me) and unethical regardless of the legality of matters began. (and at that time i didnt know that the J-G marriage was illegal -- they showed it on the channel only much later that trip bhairon made to the lawyer with anandi).
Today, I had a long standing friend come to visit me. He and his wife are both Indian, had an arranged marriage, then they had two children in the U.S. The marriage was never really one filled with love or anything, and over time it just deteriorated where both were living as empty shells (according to him -- I have never met his wife or heard her side of the story)... Anyway, he discussed a divorce with her, but she refused to give it because she wants the social security of his name for her children ... and part of it was sort of spite... that he cant walk out on her with two children... so he left her in the U.S. with the kids, and she is financially independent and everything ... and he came to India. This was eight years ago... and subsequently in India he found a live-in girlfriend and they have been living together and he never told her about his wife ...
and you know, he's a really nice guy, and we have been friends for a long time, but today, when he came into my home, I really felt spiritually uncomfortable.
After some time, I told him, I had to end my relationship with him because I did not feel comfortable with his adultery ... which was now going to turn into bigamy ... because he had decided to marry her. I ended our friendship.
Now this is new for me, because I have always been a non-judgmental person for the most part, never really poking my nose into other people's business and have a "live and let live" policy ... so I know that this is my new found moral compass acquired after watching balika vadhu 😆
However, from a broader perspective, I really have to question why a moral compass is required for a person ? What are the benefits that accrue when we lead our life by our values (because all I really feel right now is a sense of grief and loss that one of my best friends is gone out of my life)... I dont know if I am articulating my question properly, but hopefully, if I receive a few responses, it may help me to clarify it and articulate it a little better.
thank you in advance.

Lovely topic. I grew up in a very liberal environment w/o much parenting so I developed my own moral compass... what I could live with in general. And I came to a general conclusion, as long as it doesn't prick my conscience or hinder my ability to look at myself in the mirror w/ respect, I have no issues. That being said, at every turn, I have been challenged. From seeing cheating relatives, abuse, kidnappings, murder, etc... I have seen it all. Well, not all- thank god. I went from being a very open person to a very strong willed and opininated woman. Sometimes when you cannot see the horror of the pain inflicted on the victim, we cannot react because our empathy is not evoked. How would you know death if you have not seen life? What's light without darkness. When someone else's hubbie cheats on his wife, we don't feel anything cause we don't know HER. If we did, it wouldn't be that simple to put aside. My views on cheating are strong. If the spouse wants to cheat, do so but get a divorce. Grow some cahoonas men... and women too. Aside from emotional hurt, the person passes along what kind of values are the kids getting? Lets not even get into diseases that can be passed along to the unsuspecting spouse/partner. Yes, we should all be happy but NOT by hurting and doing wrong to others. If you are not committing a crime against humanity, the person is wrong. Now to the moral compass... nothing wrong with being the way you are... life teaches us much along the way and sometimes its best to be a bit mechanical to deal with certain issues. People like us make better problem solvers as we can stay objective :-)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo - you are a thoughtful person and you think others are as well. Daadisa may not be as thoughtful as you. What daadisa perceived is that Ashi was a chipkoo friend of Shiv's who could be a threat to her plans. There was no concrete reason for her to think the feelings were reciprocal. Shiv told her on day one that he doesn't have a wife/children... she learnt from Bheem Singh that his parents were looking for girls for him and that was confirmed by the woman at the temple. His mom would presumably not be looking if Shiv was having a relationship with Ashi unless we assume that Shiv's as slimy smarmy as Jagat or his mom is in the dark about her son's romantic escapades. If Shiv had feelings/hopes/expectations then Daadisa gave him opportunity to express them - she backed off after her spontaneous proposal. It was Shiv who stepped forward. Again unless she presumes him to be creep who was having relations with Ashi but, still wiling to marry her Anandi...then there was no logical reason for her to clarify his relationship with Ashima was anything more than friendship - two people who attended the same school.

Where Daadisa is wrong/immature - is her nixing the rishta Shiv's mom placed before the daughter of the woman at the temple. There she maligned Shiv and undermined his family's choice for him.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Tinoo.. Earlier I read few posts of urs on different topics & liked ur level-headed & reasoning views! If I say anything u dont agree dont take it seriously! About ur friend may b Life & Ur evolving as person made u more clear of ur own boundaries stronger & u couldnt stand unethical behaviour anymore. Everybody has a certain level of patience & tolerance, but whats right will always b right. No matter what in law of nature or society if we stay within certain lines of decency life its always better which ur friend was not handling well.

Im bit broadminded too but for me basic rights cant b messed with & need to b respected even if its mine or others. In BV also I didnt like jagya was unloyal partner ditching Anandi nor his immature behaviour now towards Gauri too! But im happy to see Anandi with Shiv now, fair enough after what jagya put her through! But on lighter note, watching nonsense serials like these makes you think of the level of patience we have watching them!!!😆 and we lose patience for nonsense for real!!! Haha!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Hi Tinoo,
this was a debate in Ashi arrives at the haveli. Me vs Akvats and tinoo 😆
I had given examples of the movies to explain the difference between dating and marriage and that they are not on an equal footing. I thought its alright if Shiv falls out of love of Ashi and goes for Anandi (without any manipulation of DS or anyone) because its dating. In dating both the parties know that it will or not lead to a serious commimtment of marriage 😆
You had replied to me on page 9, your quotation
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But I think, unless something really big event came about which brought home clearly to the other party that there was a real big difference of values between the two of them, it is wrong for them to ditch each other purely on the grounds of "falling out of love" and finding a new person to "fall in love".
What I took it to imply is that Shiv shouldn't break off with Ashi just because he developed feelings for Anandi. It is wrong. ( For me it is painful and to some extent wrong, but dating is dating and as I said earlier love is a risk). but in this post you implied there was nothing wrong with Jagiya falling out of love with Anandi and marrying gauri. What was not right were they going to Jaitsar"?
P.S: I am only looking forward to a healthy debate not fight. And this is only to take discussion ahead 😊, not finger point .
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

The rest of your post is absolutely brilliant!!

😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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nice article yaar . learnt a lot of things after reading this article. Thank you :)

Thanks a lot 😊. My pleasure 🤗

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