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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ


Where Daadisa is wrong/immature - is her nixing the rishta Shiv's mom placed before the daughter of the woman at the temple. There she maligned Shiv and undermined his family's choice for him.

see this is where i differ with you 🤣 -- i think it was perfectly okay for dadisa to do what she did, given that there was no relationship existing between the girl and shiv (emotional relationship... )
also, i think that the mother of the girl was very stupid to raise a topic like that with some unknown maajisa who also might have a daughter or granddaughter of marriageable age who might be interested in hitching up her own chori with shiv ... it is quite well known that in arranged marriage circles, that one should not discuss these matters publicly 🤣 because someone else might deliberately sidetrack them for their own selfish interests...
even in job searches, for example, or when i am applying for a promotion or something, i dont discuss it with anyone simply because you dont know who else is interested in the job or promotion and may mislead you...
The lady should have come to jayetsar very discreetly, or else entrusted the task of finding out about shiv to someone very trusted in her own family ... who the heck goes and asks random maajisa's that one meets at temples .
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: DiviNitya

Tinoo.. & Ur evolving as person made u more clear of ur own boundaries stronger !!

Thanks DiviNitya -- this makes sense - that I am evolving as a person!! 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shaista33

Now to the moral compass... nothing wrong with being the way you are... life teaches us much along the way and sometimes its best to be a bit mechanical to deal with certain issues. People like us make better problem solvers as we can stay objective :-)

🤣🤣🤣 Yes!! I love this last part ...no need to beat oneself up about mechanical... today I celebrate my mechanical personaliity!! thanks shaista ❤️
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: princessyashika

No I am not against any of these practices.I am against the fact that ppl use this modernity as an excuse to spoil someone's life.And actually this is what jagiya and gauri do.For gauri its a feather in her cap that she impressed jagiya more than anandi.But that doesnt forgive the mistakes in any way.

So we need our value system only to differentiate these blink lines.There is always a small difference between such emotional povs and dilemmas.and its our value system only which helps us to see beneath these wraps.

Yes, princess -- I think the part in red is very valid... I think that is a key problem I face ... justifying something as "modern" practice ... but in reality modernity should not be used as an excuse to spoil someone's life.
The part in blue ... I never thought about it that way, but you are right, ... and this answers my question directly... why does one need a moral compass... when one has a moral compass there are no dilemmas, the choice of action becomes clear cut, because our values will cut through the confusion ... thank you!! In some ways, I think a moral compass is a time saver because we dont have to waste time sifting through dilemmas 😆😆.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: apjk

What I am trying to say is you can disassociate your self from the person's acts without actually losing a friend.

How to do this apjk? the acts define the person dont they?
I mean the acts define their values, and their values are their identity.
If I had a friend who murdered someone, how can I disassociate myself from the act without losing the friend?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

Hi Tinoo,

this was a debate in Ashi arrives at the haveli. Me vs Akvats and tinoo 😆
I had given examples of the movies to explain the difference between dating and marriage and that they are not on an equal footing. I thought its alright if Shiv falls out of love of Ashi and goes for Anandi (without any manipulation of DS or anyone) because its dating. In dating both the parties know that it will or not lead to a serious commimtment of marriage 😆
You had replied to me on page 9, your quotation
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But I think, unless something really big event came about which brought home clearly to the other party that there was a real big difference of values between the two of them, it is wrong for them to ditch each other purely on the grounds of "falling out of love" and finding a new person to "fall in love".
What I took it to imply is that Shiv shouldn't break off with Ashi just because he developed feelings for Anandi. It is wrong. ( For me it is painful and to some extent wrong, but dating is dating and as I said earlier love is a risk). but in this post you implied there was nothing wrong with Jagiya falling out of love with Anandi and marrying gauri. What was not right were they going to Jaitsar"?
P.S: I am only looking forward to a healthy debate not fight. And this is only to take discussion ahead 😊, not finger point .

There is no contradiction in my view 😊 --
As I see it, Jagya and anandi had major clashes in difference of values between the two of them --- that was evident for quite some time -- she would run around saving child brides, he disliked it intensely; she rejected his modernization intiatives - the clothes he brought her etc.-- she set up the girls education school with stiff resitance from dadisa, he never supported the mission ... so I dont feel that he fell out of love with anandi -- I really see it as an extension of a complete mismatch between his values and hers -- that tension always existed.
However, if he had been deeply in love with anandi and then ditched her the moment he saw gauri, based on looks, then yes, that would be wrong in my mind.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#37

Originally posted by: tinoo

see this is where i differ with you 🤣 -- i think it was perfectly okay for dadisa to do what she did, given that there was no relationship existing between the girl and shiv (emotional relationship... )
also, i think that the mother of the girl was very stupid to raise a topic like that with some unknown maajisa who also might have a daughter or granddaughter of marriageable age who might be interested in hitching up her own chori with shiv ... it is quite well known that in arranged marriage circles, that one should not discuss these matters publicly 🤣 because someone else might deliberately sidetrack them for their own selfish interests...
even in job searches, for example, or when i am applying for a promotion or something, i dont discuss it with anyone simply because you dont know who else is interested in the job or promotion and may mislead you...
The lady should have come to jayetsar very discreetly, or else entrusted the task of finding out about shiv to someone very trusted in her own family ... who the heck goes and asks random maajisa's that one meets at temples .


Tinoo - we will have to agree to disagree. 😆

A rishta is two-sided, Ashi's love is one-sided wishful thinking...Daadiji was able to see that when added to the rest of the information she knew about Shiv. Info that Anandi is not privy to like Shiv's mom is looking for a girl for him! Nor would Shiv have accepted with the enthusiasm he did if he had feeling for Ashi. Daadiji wasn't emotionally blackmailing him or pressurizing him. On the other hand, daadiji hasn't been privy to interactions btwn shiv-ashi to the degree that anandi has and seen the unrequited love ashi harbours for shiv to the extent Anandi has.

Like i stated in an earlier post - my moral compass is diametrically polar to yours. It pisses me off when the "chalak" take advantage of the weak or unwary. Why lie or mislead others? That's what I feel Daadiji did to that woman at the temple. The woman was dumb to be taking advice from random stranger... To me that is unethical. That too in a temple? Crass! Then again I occasionally do crazy things because for me winning is not everything... I once gave up a job I was competing for because I felt someone else needed the job more😆 and on another occasion when my co-worker and I were interviewing for the same job (which I did want btw because it was closer to home) I helped her with question topics after I interviewed! Suffice it to say she got the job - I didn't.

Also, sometimes you get greater truths from neighbours then apne...I used that method while househunting. Mind you, I didn't just ask one potential neighbour about the "hood" nor rely solely on that info to inform my decisions
Edited by AnjanaYYZ - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#38
actually anjana -- I dont condemn it from an ethical point of view... but I condemn it from a spiritual point of view -- I think that what is meant to be will be, and if it is not naturally ordained, then it will not prosper... so in dadisa's place ... I would not have misled the woman simply thinking that if anandi is meant to be, then she will be shiv's wife...I dont have to mislead someone to make anandi shiv's wife. Since dadisa believes strongly in devi maa, I think that if it is of God, then it will prosper, and if it is not of God, it wont prosper.
I dont like manipulation simply because I feel it creates mismatches out of lack filled thinking/desperation... and I only want relationships based on abundance based thinking...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@Tinoo:
is this an argument just for sake of it? 😆 Falling out of love is falling out of love!
But what you are saying is too complicated. I feel you symphatize with Jagiya's need for modern wife ( even though Anandi did try to change herself, but she cannot wear modern clothes in villages 😲), but you didn't like them going to Jaitsar as it will hurt anandi. here you symphatize with Anandi 😊.
Judging love could be a difficult proposition for us, when I argued it that day, I meant this only incompatibilty.That Shiv and Ashi discover they are incompatible or that Shiv falls in love with Anandi. Falling in love is never done with brain. it just happens 😊
Edited part:
For me marriage is slightly more serious commitment so I wouldn't like the thought of someone breaking it because they found someone better. Because in marriage both the partners end up trusting other completely. In dating trust is there, there is no scope for 2 timing, but there is an understanding there can be a break up.
Edited by avantikasharma1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

actually anjana -- I dont condemn it from an ethical point of view... but I condemn it from a spiritual point of view -- I think that what is meant to be will be, and if it is not naturally ordained, then it will not prosper... so in dadisa's place ... I would not have misled the woman simply thinking that if anandi is meant to be, then she will be shiv's wife...I dont have to mislead someone to make anandi shiv's wife. Since dadisa believes strongly in devi maa, I think that if it is of God, then it will prosper, and if it is not of God, it wont prosper.

I dont like manipulation simply because I feel it creates mismatches out of lack filled thinking/desperation... and I only want relationships based on abundance based thinking...
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For me karma-dharma-fate are interlinked concepts. I believe ethical karma (including honesty in matter of import) is my dharma. As for fate, its out-of-my hands. I can only do karma... rather nishpaap karma and not worry about the fruits. Gita and/or Hemingway's influence on my spirituality.

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