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Vasuja

@genie

@Anu,

I know but my level of frustration is increasing every day, i get what you are saying, wish everyone does.

This is the only forum which actually has posts about these social causes and the general regression in the quality of serials. Sincerely , hope it continues and every voice should be heard without any bias or with personal intent.

Originally posted by: annika20

Just wanted to ask some questions to members here. Seeing the things which have been happening for a long time now, some doubts came up in my mind. I would be glad if someone took the initiative to guide me.

1) annika gud post!!👏👏

- If we do not agree with someone in the forums or something shown in the serial, should we just choose to keep silent about it and withdraw from forums - but NOT speak?

2) no we shud voice our opinion!! but it doesn't mean we shud force our opinions on sum1 or ask them 2 understand a particular ckt even if faults were clearly visible!!

- It's all okay if funny or sarcastic posts are written for a so-called negative character. But is it wrong or being insensitive if sometime a post or topic is written about some silly/wrong representation of things done by all characters (positive/negative ones included)? Or if something in lighter vein is written about a positive lead character? [I know some souls got irked by my AAA post in JT thread. Even the funny description of Anandi in Vasuja's thread about all BV characters only got me reactions saying I write well but I should write for Gauri and kind towards Anandi!]

3) i think description of any ckt in lighter or funny mode even if its a +ve ckt like u'd done in JT thread. it makes the enviornment of forum a bit lighter. so funny things said abt A or any oder +ve ckt shud b taken in lighter mode. vaise bhi yeh show kuchh zyada hi rondu ho raha hai!!😆😆

- Why such double standards? I mean, it is all fun, likeable if there's a funny/sarcastic post on DS or Jaggu or Gauri, but it is ''insensitivity'' or ''impatience'' or ''harshness'' if there is a similar light-hearted post about Anandi or the whole serial and its characters? Why was a certain member questioned when he/she pointed out that Bhairon also had not been able to do anything solid?

4) generally ppl don't've double standard on this as its clear that -ve ckts r created in the show not just 2 add sum spice but also 2 b bashed or ridiculed 4 their sins or crimes or mistakes while bashing of +ve ckt in demeaning way isn't considered humanly. its the thinking that +ve ckt is already being made 2 suffer so much & bashing isn't considered a gud sign 2wards humanity or humane values.

even in reality if sum1 bashes or scolds a gud prsn who never harms any1 intentionally even if he/she has done sum mistake though may b unintentionally we don't like it esply by the prsn that whos not much gud. rem wenever sum1 points out sum mistake by Mahatma Gandhi or any oder leader even if its genuine they were not just ridiculed by public but slapped on court cases by ppl!!😆

5) but here like u'd posted sum funny things in JT whether abt A or bharion or any oder ckt shud b taken in lighter mode as here u r not maligning that ckt!!but may b sum ppl cudn't understand the funniness in that situation!!

- Is there a rule to talk only in positive sense for certain characters and only in negative sense about certain other characters?

6) though its not rule but still its not considered a gud approach if u demean a +ve ckt whos already being made 2 suffer o much so ppl think that atleast they shudn't b bashed on the forum!!

- Is it compulsory to be a FAN or HATER of certain characters if we are to participate in the forum? Isn't a person allowed to talk about the larger context or message of the show or its perception? Is there no escape from labels of ''fan'' or ''hater/insensitive/biased soul''?

7) i agree wid u that its noot compulsory 2 b a fan or hater of certain ckts 2 participate & ppl shud b allowed 2 talk even in general context.but i think its not possible 2 b totally neutral.ppl tend 2 b bit biased 4 a ckt even if they find faults in their fav's behaviour, may've pointed 2wards it & even don't agree wid it & bash them openly!!

- Does speaking out honestly, mean you are frustrated or intolerant?

8) no its not always means frustration or intolerant but if u force oder ppl 2 accept ur thinking abt ur fav. though clearly wrong!!

- Why do members not just confine their reactions to a particular post and its context? I mean, is it necessary to make personal comments or judge character or a person's thinking? Why make assumptions about the other member? [I am talking for all members here - I know some members have faced comments about their age group too.]

9) though ppl shud just confine 2 their rxns 2 a particular post& its context & shudn't make prsnl comments or judge them but if sum1 seeks happiness in the victory of wrong prsn or evil ckt wudn't oders think wat type of human being r they?? which prsn feel gud in the suffering of a humane & innocent ckt(leave +ve or -ve) & not just justify bad or evil or prsn whos insenstive 2wards an innocent prsn (who hasn't done any harm intentionally 2 the prsn) but ask oders 2 understand them even if he/she is reel!! do we watch the show only 4 entertainment?? if its like this only then pppl shud only make cartoons like tom & jerry where even if u commit murder u r released & do anything!!

- Is a viewer of the show or the member of a show's forum always supposed to be a ''loyal'' devotee of the show? Is there NO room for honest opinion for any actor or any storyline - even if a person tries to use respectful language without merely resorting to bashing or gaali-galoch? Is it a forum or is it a temple where you're not allowed to speak against or question the deity?

10) no viewer isn't in sum temple but even if its case then still no god ask u not 2 quesn his decisions or his actions. but after knowing the reason & intentions then rather demeaning the ckt we shud try 2 think in that context also but it doesn't mean we shudn't b allowed 2 do healthy criticism!!and abt lang i think it shud b decent but sumtimes ppl tend 2 flow in the emotions!!

- If it is just a show, it it is only about jodis, if message is of no concern, if it's just about TRPs, technical or financial issues and if it's all about keeping patience and regularly watching it, giving the show chances or understanding all characters - then what is the point of having a forum to discuss?

11) i agree that shows rn't just 4 entertainment only!! and i'd told my POV on this in above lines!!

Is the forum only meant to be a chronicle of written updates, videos, pics and constant celebration of all characters?

12) no its not only 2 get vids or updates or oder things but also 4 discussion.😊😊

- Why so much suffocation in the forum? Why attack someone on the basis of just one or two words written in a complete post, leaving aside everything else?

13) i agree it shudn't b like this & no1 shud b bashed or ridiculed on the basis of only 1or2 words in oderwise normal post!!! this forum is still better or much better than sum oders where even if u've pointed out sum1s mistake & don't've even thot abt attacking them prsnlly u r reported whereas sum ppl r left even though they'd so many times used derogatory langs!!😆😆

- Are there any more ''unwritten rules'' (except the ones mentioned by mods) for the forum which perhaps recent members like myself need to know and take care of? Agar hain toh kripya bataa dijiye!

14) i don't knowabt it!!😊😊

- Is it a given that neutral stance means the person would be attacked from ''both sides'' (read fan groups of certain characters)? Does it mean we are NOT allowed to talk in a broader context? Is it always going to be a case of ''If you're not with us, you're against us''?

Why not make it clear then, NO NEUTRAL STANCE ALLOWED! - ??

15) neutral stance is rare as i'd already stated it above!!but still whos not fan of any ckt v.much(he/she may b called as neutral) shud b allowed 2 talk in general or put their POVs

- We are instructed/requested/expected to be patient with the serial makers, why is there NO patience for fellow members? And OBVIOUS show of losing patience with ''certain'' members and their POV?

16) it depends on prsn 2 prsn & their nature or may b sumtimes 2 sum extent rxn on particular conditions!!

Increasingly, a lot of members are now being left with no other options except to just leave the forum or communicate only via PMs but not post in forums. There must be (and there surely are!) MORE reasons for this happening apart from just the obvious downfall of the show itself.

17) if sum1 leaving just after getting opposition from oder memebers 4 their posts or POVs then its this prsn's whos leaving 4 this reason fault not 2 take it lightly or ignore it or taking it as prsnl attack.

but it doesn't mean they shud always take these things lightly or ignore them if its going overboard then u can't blame that prsn also!! and sumtimes theres such situations in the show that ppl've diverse POVs & it may cause differences .afterall we all r human beings & "2 err is human"!!😊😊

[I didn't make this topic as some sour grapes reaction on my part. I talk about other members too. But I did not name anyone in particular, lest it sounds like I'm using others' names to add legitimacy to my post or its concerns! I hope I was able to convey my honest doubts/queries without sounding like I'm attacking someone! If I sound mocking or attacking then I beg forgiveness in advance for offending anyone! ]

18) no dear u'dn't done anything wrong or used oder's name or posts but rather in my POV v.gud topic so as 2 know more abt the thinking of our fellow members & 2 lift the rifts created btn ppl bcoz of difft POVs!!

my ans r in blue & hope u won't find it bad in taste or as attack bcoz i gave ans acc. 2 my thinking!!😊😊

Originally posted by: annika20

@Khusi

Thanks. Explaining toh karna padega na! Warna log galat samajh lete hain. Waise meri explaining agar asardaar ya kisi bhi kaam ki hoti, toh aaj mujhe aisi post likhne ki ya aise sawaal poochne ki zaroorat na padti.

Dimaag ki khichdi ban gayi wohi baatein hazaar baar explain kar kar ke!🤪

nah...u r wrong annika...it is ur explaining ability and pinpointing the key points...thats y ppl r reacted like that...well my example...i am enjoying anandi's class...coz i found it entertaining...but u pinponted so correctly...the aviyan lacks a proper planning...and i am agree with u...no matter what how much i love those funny incidents...!!😳

@Antara

annika20
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@Vasuja

I understand what you are trying to say. Even I am not a fanatic of Anandi or the actress who plays the role. I am more concerned about right and wrong and the message that is communicated.

But all I wanted to say is that this thing is not helping anyone. Threads with titles like ''boring episode'' run into multiple pages. Why? All due to a fight! Now if we think episode is not boring, then instead of talking in that thread we can create counter threads and argue their about how the episode was relevant to the theme of the show and not a bore! We might be saying opposite things but the title and intro about boring episodes and Anandi's parts being pakao, remain there!

I was not referring to this thread. I know Tinoo started it and she did it to start a debate about Jagya. I am talking about other threads!

Similarly the thread about Anjum's fabulous acting stayed on top for more than a week. The thread starter only wanted to admire the actor for particular scenes. But we not only gave unnecessary attention to that fabulous actor (title of the thread) but also ruined the thread starter's thread by making it a fight about Gauri the character!

I only believe that we should not give attention to threads about boring episode if it's all about Anandi or lovely episode when it's all about GAGA! That's because title and first post obviously get more attention! I also feel we should let other members put forth their own POV and let them celebrate the track or characters they wish to celebrate!

It's frustrating for both parties actually.
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Annika above is a quote by yourself in the thread 'Pehene ki layak' wherein you said that if we don't agree with someone, instead of spoiling their thread with our disagreement and causing the thread to run into multiple pages with the resultant fight, we should just show our disagreement by opening counter threads.

Correct me if I am misunderstanding the above but is this exactly what you have issue with now?

Well Annika as I look at it each person has their own reasons for watching the serial. Their understanding of the characters in the serial and these character's actions are totally dependent on this very reason for watching the serial.

Many viewers like myself watch it for the social message it intends to give through its story and hence we may get upset when the story line doesn't go in a way that may be our version of "socially acceptable". Our outlook to the characters and the story may be sketched to a large extent on our outlook to life which is partly shaped by our own upbringing, experiences and expectations from life. When anything that they depict in the serial goes against this view of ours we may not agree which is reflected in our posts. Again not every ones outlook may be the same. it may differ and hence what is a total "no no" for some one may be considered with a pinch of salt by someone else. It ultimately depends on which of our values we hold with high importance and with which we may be a little liberal.

On the other hand some viewers watch the serial purely for entertainment purposes or for their favorite real life actors. Hence automatically they would be a little biased and justify their favourite's actions which is natural. This support may not neccessarily be a result of thier own outlook in life or their experiences but puely on how well the actor has portrayed their role.

In a forum like this where people come from different walks of life, different upbringings, and also different temperaments, a clash of ideas are ought to take place. Some people may be very sensitive while others don't really care. Its all up to oneself how they handle themselves, the debates or for that matter other members on the forum. Someone may deliberately try to call for a debate while the others may prefer stating what they feel and leave it at that. From there on how the others perceive the post (as a friendly debate or a reason to argue and fight) is totally dependent on the member reading it. Forum rules are just an outline to keep us all in check so that we maintain a certain kind of discipline.

Hence I have never tried to force my opinion on someone else or have counter argued. That's coz what may be right for me may not be right for someone else and that's individual difference which I respect. As far as possible I have tried not to argue or force my point down someones throat coz I don't think it is necessary. About supporting characters, I have no favourites. If some one does something good I will support them but if their actions are against my expectations from them I will criticize them. I may be aggressive in real life but I don't think it is worth justifying the actions of a fictional character or a story at the cost of hurting other's feelings especially if they are very sensitive about it.