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Posted: 14 years ago
#31
when I talked about controling what we say and about dressing our words, doesn't in anyway mean that we should not be ourselves or for that matter be dishonest in our opinion. I have commented on the forum at large. When I said that I tried to imply on derogatory terms or foul language being used which may be found offensive by some. Anyway what one person finds offensive may not be true for another so its better to use your own discretion. I have not found any of your posts that I have read offensive or using foul language and hence I was no pointing to your posts. I have in the past and also till today been very honest in my opinions

Dear we can only do the best from our side in what and how we write but if the opposite person wants to take offense we cannot stop them. Ultimately it is upon us weather we want their comments to adversely affect us or not right?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Annika: I am all for freedom of speech. Feel free to write your thoughts. Regarding hurting people it is very hard to gauge who gets hurt for what reason and why. Each person's tolerance level is different. That doesn't mean we should keep silent. Put across your points. Members who get affected should post their views.
The main reason I don't post much these days is I hardly watch this serial. I cannot stand a woman portrayed this way that too an educated woman. What are they trying to show, that educated woman are cruel and don't care about people. Being educated means you don't have any morals in your life. You will still sleep with the man who is married to another woman. What nonsense is that? I was so happy to see Anandi moving forward in her life and was hoping for her to take the next big step. The story is going nowhere. It is a noble cause to teach the elders, but it won't hurt to show her pursuing studies as well. I am not a feminist, but I want the serial to portray some strong woman. Gauri's character is another let down. If the storyline is affecting me then what is the point in continuing to watch it? No matter what Jagya does he is not punished in any way or form. I was hoping he has to struggle with finance, but conveniently Anandi is giving charity. I thought Gowri will teach him a lesson; she conveniently forgives all his mistakes. So basically this guy is having a ball. When I read the world statistics and how the disparity male to female ratio is in India, I feel the serial at least should show girls strong and alert the mass. There is no need for a useless male in a girl's life. She is better off to be single. If she is working she can adopt an orphan and raise him/her. I was hoping to see some kind of social message. But all in all it is about Jagya, a jealous individual his needs and his choices. Where is the choice or needs of female leads? Now he is coming home drunk wow. Why not drive under influence and hit someone and show him in the jail for drunk driving. No it is Gowri who has to put up with him.

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Posted: 14 years ago
#33
@Antara

You take such a distorted view of the discussion and then you expect the other person shall not feel offended?😕Thanks to your enlightened reply to me on previous pages, I got a slew of reactions about reassurances that people appreciate my posts and make an effort to ''like'' them! I never posted the thread for this silly, petty intent! 😲

Now again, your reply is a classic example of personal assumptions, so according to your replies to me, your analysis about me is perhaps this -

- I am angry

- I am not understanding things because I am not calm or will understand things only when I get calm

- I have some really high or unnecessary expectations from people

- I am over-sensitive

- I want to get lots of ''likes'' for every post I write

- I want members to agree with me always

- I am intolerant of disagreement

- I am taking things unnecessarily seriously

- I am complaining

- I crave appreciation or attention or ''public support'' for myself

- I am only taking normal counter-arguments as attack, since I cannot stand anyone disagreeing with me

- I am out there with an intention to please everyone

- I want people to keep quiet if they don't agree with me

- I post with a subconscious intent to convert other people to my way of thinking

- I feel rejected or less appreciated

- Basically I created this topic to talk only about myself

- I am being emotional

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Is that all? Are is there any more in your psychoanalysis of my posts? 😲 Why are you getting personal here and making assumptions? Just answer the questions I asked. Why make assumptions based on just 2-4 words in my original post in this thread?!

You now say it depends on me how I read your posts, but why forget how you ''read'' my posts?

Do you really think your previous posts were an attempt to explain things lightly?! What were you explaining me? What ''unnecessary'' expectations did you think I had? That of getting likes or having everyone agree with me?! 🤪

I could have gone ahead and quoted exact posts or nature of comments I (and some others) have problem with! But I did not do that lest the quoted guys feel like they're being attacked or nitpicked. Hence I only gave examples related to me. I refrained from naming others or quoting others solely to keep the intent of this topic clear and not to make it look like an attempt to get even with certain people or pick fights! But thanks to your responses this thread went wayward anyway.

It's like there's a chapter on plants which are climbers. And in that chapter writer gives example of grapes and grapevine since it's a plant belonging to that type. But some reader assumes it's a chapter about just grapes!! You wrote epic length replies based on examples I gave!

You have not been active of recent times, so why did you jump the gun like this all of a sudden? Either just answer the questions I asked. Or ask clarification if you think this post is just made to crib or seek attention or does it have some other intention. Okay, do WHATEVER YOU WANT, but at least don't keep hurling accusations or distorted appraisals based on 2 things quoted as examples despite my repeated clarifications!

Again I say -

Your post is AN EXACT EXAMPLE of the concern I raised! Once again, some sentences or words, which I basically used ONLY and SOLELY to explain some other situation, have been taken out of context, distorted and AGAIN, there are ASSUMPTIONS being made about my psyche or needs or nature!


Thanks anyway for the suggestion of ignoring. Best to ignore only. But I think many others need to learn the same lesson too. Perhaps I did not understand that the forum is just for fun. I hope people practise what they preach, because I may be told to know that this forum is for fun, but many others don't take it as fun themselves!

You told me to directly talk to people if I find their post offensive - madam I can do so, but I don't because I do not want to pick fights in every thread! So I thought it would be better to have some open discussion on expected code of conduct or list of things which pinch others upon reading posts - so that there are no fights and no need for other members to attack indirectly or resort to snide ways! So I wish others to tell me, clarify the doubts I had mentioned in the thread starting post!

The way you're telling me to directly talk to members - then it will become a case of fights, and even this forum will then need to have separate ''fan heavens'', ''corners'', ''zones'' or ''kendras''! Anandi fan heaven, Jaggu Zone, Gauri heaven, Dadisa ke deewane, Sumitra-Bhairon eternal romance zone, Jetsar ke gaonwale, Mumbai rockers and a separate ''Issue fan heaven'' or ''Muddon ki charcha sabha'' for people who watch the show more about issues irrespective of affinity to characters!😆

[Issue fan heaven would be useless, since this show is not exactly about issues now.]

Hope I read your posts correctly. In case I did not, then please do enlighten me about other aspects related to my psyche while writing the posts.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Anita

I know you were not pointing towards me. I said that in general. Thanks for your reply though. Actually I did not write to get reassurances for myself or my posts.

You say it is not about not being yourself and it's only about derogatory language. But there is a lot more which seems to offend many people or disturb their health, even if it is free from derogatory language!

I failed in using my own discretion. So I sought guidance!

@redapple

I didn't talk about you leaving. I know people are leaving due to the show - that is the main reason. But there exist more reasons apart from the serial only.

I know it's hard to gauge. That's why I created this topic, asking questions, trying to have an open discussion about what gives problems to members. So that other members like myself can take care of it and not offend them - and basically, be spared from indirect referencing and assumptions about personal nature, thinking, attitude, behaviour, pysche, experience, awareness, age etc. or lack or excess of qualities!
I couldn't instinctively gauge, so I decided to directly ask!

Yeah that's exactly what I am saying! Members who get ''affected'' should openly, directly post their views! Saamne aa kar, khul kar baat karen! Why make cheeky-looking covert but obvious references towards a member or his/her posts in other threads?
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Posted: 14 years ago
#35
Vasuja

I am not talking about force as such. Or directly telling someone something. I am talking about this passive ''aggression'' or covert ways of giving out OBVIOUS signals!! You understood - but something must have made you ''understand'' na? Such stuff almost just makes the member, who's posting, feel like perhaps he/she should not have spoken at all.
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It was more of self realisation for me.When I joined this forum the serial was in a very different phase. jagya was the liar, gauri did not know the truth and Anandi the victim. I used to make serious posts...but Iater shifted to funny discussions. most of my posts were about JAGA and yes many liked my posts. I enjoyed the company. i had done snide comments many sometimes, some i feel was to reply for another snide comment.. some which made me feel ashamed like the "age group"...I wish I had not made the age group comment at all... but it is done, i felt bad and I apologised.

I understood that the problem I had was that I was carrying the disagreement I had in one post in the other one too...which made me very rebellious and unnecessarily sarcastic.I have curtailed myself from doing it. I don't actively participate, becoz as of now the serial has lost its direction. If the serial improves may be I will be more active. For me it was no signals that made me quiet. i made some stupid comments, people got hurt, and expressed it. I realised it and decided to be quiet. thats all
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Posted: 14 years ago
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More to Antara:

You said other members - even Anandi fans had written funny posts in JT about all characters and also Anandi. If that is true and no one had any problem with each then, so why do people have problems now? Or is it that only the old boys' association, sorry the old girls' association of this forum has the right to be funny, or sarcastic when they feel like it, but trash others directly (and WORSE indirectly) if they feel like being funny or creating a sarcastic thread? 😲
A member has right to create a thread declaring he/she quits watching the show - just on the basis of a promo. But there are problems, threats to health and indirect talking in case some other member makes a funny or sarcastic thread about the serial or writes about wrong portrayal of an issue or even discusses in general about the trend of weak leads in today's shows?! If this not double standards, then what is it?!

@Khusi, Anjani, Tiny15, devashree

Thanks for not diverting the topic and taking it in right spirit.😊 Thanks a lot for being honest in expressing your feelings - openly admitting that you're unable to tolerate anything ''against'' positive or a bechaara character or can't help getting emotional and saying things if it comes to a favorite character or that this forum is not supposed to be only a fan forum, but rather about debate & discussion - and answering my questions, helping me see clearly. Instead of making petty accusations or taking my thread as an attempt to attract attention or get sympathy or reassurances for myself!

Much appreciated. Thanks again. 😊
Edited by annika20 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: vasuja


It was more of self realisation for me.

I understood that the problem I had was that I was carrying the disagreement I had in one post in the other one too...which made me very rebellious and unnecessarily sarcastic.I have curtailed myself from doing it. I don't actively participate, becoz as of now the serial has lost its direction. If the serial improves may be I will be more active. For me it was no signals that made me quiet. i made some stupid comments, people got hurt, and expressed it. I realised it and decided to be quiet. thats all


I hope some other people realise too. There are some who've been carrying disagreement of one discussion or comments from one or two members - in other threads too. I can't tolerate snide commentary or indirect referencing in other neutral threads. I would appreciate if people come out in open - and always talk openly, directly, reply there and then and QUIT making assumptions about what a member ''wants'', ''thinks'' or is like!!

Or else, openly declare what kind of content they want to see in others' posts, tell what pinches them! Rather than acting as unofficial authority or expecting other members to intuitively follow or ''learn for themselves'' some unwritten rules!'

ADDED - Please tell what they want, so that I and some others are spared from indirect referencing, snide, cheeky comments and worst of all - assumptions related to our thinking or other characteristics.
Edited by annika20 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: annika20

@parri


I have more problems about talking behind someone's back and not confronting them. Why talk in other threads? And sometimes, without even reading someone's post, why mock them and declare I did not bother to read your post?

And more so why make assumptions about a person's thinking or attitude?







HEHEHE.. So this whole thread is about the frustrations against me!
wow I feel soo special.

Anika yaar I told you. I love Anandi. You say something against her, criticize her etc. etc. etc. My BP will rise. So I stopped reading : ) many of those posts that criticize her. [yours and others]

for my own betterment.

But honestly, chill its not that serious. Ofcourse I get upset when someone writes against Anandi, but thats the point of a forum right. We have our clashes. We scream we yell and then we all have our coffee and get back to work : )


Ithna serious nahi liya karo.

ofcourse if you write something against Gauri , I come right away and LIKE your post cause I agree with that. but once you or anyone else talk about Anandi, about how she didn't do this, she didn't do that, yada yada yada I don't read or I don't click the LIKE button or I just move on and if its too much

I start a thread saying,


'is it just me...or the entire forum is turning negative ' lol


So ithna math socho. This is normal in a forum.

When you talk goody goody things about Anandi , honestly believe me I will be the FIRST person to like your post.

except that, what can I say. Thats how I am about Anandi. I cannot change that sorry : )

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Posted: 14 years ago
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@ Suchi, you have every right to feel how you do and express it how you want.

Annika, you are a smart girl, please do not misconstrue what I have just stated to Suchi as a snide or indirect remark to yourself. Just as you stated to Tiny 15 the following on page 4 of this thread.

"It makes me feel relieved. At least it is better than others laughing it off as an attempt to crib about not getting attention or having people agree with me all the time.

Thanks a lot for being so open, direct, forthright and understanding."

How does it make you different regarding an indirect stab at some. Be direct and state to tiny who is "laughing it off".

We all may not have the gift of the gab like you do but when you ask for our thoughts we do try to respond as best we can. From the vein of your responses, it seems like you are not satisfied with some of our responses if they are not in keeping with your line of thinking. And it also SEEMS like you already have an idea of what the solution should be. Please don't get into Psycho babble about how we cannot analyze you personally and all that but the TONE of your posts here sound frustrated, admonishing and attacking. That's my perception anyway.

I am so sorry I even attempted to respond my take on things and give my two cents because no matter what I say you have already decided to be upset (I see this from the tone of your posts) and perhaps my telling you that I look forward to and 'like' your posts provoked you further since you were already upset by Antaras post.
In fact, let me confirm directly to you. It absolutely never occurred to me to tell you I like your posts because I thought that's what you wanted to hear. I stated it because it was true and I wanted you to know. Perhaps my timing sucked.

Again, let me clarify, I am not taking a point or term out of context and responding. ONE of your issues was, why are some members opening alternate threads wherein they make snide/mocking remarks to others.? Why don't they state things directly in the same thread? Again I say to to you that you were the one who verily gave this idea to everyone when you said, don't create a fight with anyone in their thread just open up your own thread with your opposing view. If I am wrong, can you explain to me what I misinterpreted? Also let me hasten to add that I picked the salient points from your post that I felt I could adequately respond to. Woe is me , that unlike Tiny15, I did not have the time nor the fortitude to go through every point you raised and respond point by point.

Anyway, you ask for our opinion and take great umbrage when it's not what you want to hear. As this is a virtual world, my POV is not everyone has loads of time to write lengthy, clear responses and some if not all are multitasking, so a little leniency goes a long way.

Edited by parri814 - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Suchi

So you take it as a joke perhaps?

I don't expect you to like my posts or agree with me. It is okay if you don't. But why double standards? I mean Vasuja's sarcastic thread is allowed. But not mine? Even if I talk in general about the whole serial as not just about Anandi? I didn't see you making threads expressing alternate feelings when Vasuja made such threads. But I have seen you making topics when I do such thing. Or talking about being fed up in some general, unrelated thread - like the episode update thread!

You say you can't help being emotional about Anandi. Fine. We all understand that. But if you expect others to understand that then why do you not understand others - if they say they are ONLY fans of an onscreen couple or some others who say they care more about the issue than affinity towards characters?😲

It is okay if you make threads about quitting the forum or stopping to watch the show and even ask permission to use abusive language - just on the basis of a promo. But then, why do you have problems or serve a backlash if people have issues with tracks going on for weeks or months?

Did anyone call you frustrated or impatient even indirectly when you made such threads? No. Neither directly nor indirectly!

Why do you have to take talks about an issue as an attack on the character? Even if you do, then talk directly. Rather than going to episode update thread or some other thread and write about ''some people'' who are indifferent towards Anandi and always seem to want ''this'' or ''that'' and go kyun, kyun (that kyun, kyun looked more like equating people with Gauri and taking snide sarcasm to a new level!).😲

I had created a topic about so-called positive and negative characters and talked in general about serials and movies - saying there is no devi or daayan as such and nowadays serials glorify negative characters. It was a general discussion. Yet you and some other felt it was also designed to bash Anandi and talked about ''frustrations'' or ''impatience'' in other general threads!

Why not practise what you preach? If people should understand your not being able to ''help it'' if it's about Anandi. Then why can't you give a breather to people who aren't able to control if it's about an onscreen pair or more about issues?

Clarify once and for all, if there are different codes of expected behaviour for older or newer members or fans of particular character!

Please don't think I created a whole new thread for you ONLY. Not just you. So no need to feel exclusively special. 😆 There are more - some regular ones and also some less regular or newbie types. Some who get offended even when someone comes up with a counter-argument, and get worked up seeing personal comments - but make personal comments on others themselves!

Is it only related to me? No. It's equally wrong if some other member's thread is also ruined - and worst - he/she faces ''assumptions'' about his character or thinking or age, background, understanding or any other personal characteristics.

This thread is also for some others who talk about someone's knowledge, awareness or age, or marital status or touch or lack of touch with reality and relying on ''bookish'' knowledge etc.

Of course, Antara was great and she did in this thread, exactly the things which I wanted to seek solutions to. Salute her for labelling me as a petty attention seeker!👏

I don't ask you to change Suchi. I just say members come out in open and tell what they don't like to see! I will take care of that, and see to it not to offend anyone!

Now please feel free to go ahead and even make a ''kyun, kyun, kyun'' type reaction for this post of mine! Or make a counter thread or speak about it in the episode update thread.

Finally, I see you can't help being emotional about Anandi and get compelled to think of even posts about education or today's serials as an attack on Anandi only. So I will take care NEVER to post such things ever again. Since it is not only about you but some others too, who're emotional about Anandi. I haven't ever made anti-Gauri threads. But will stop posting about any action of hers which I feel is wrong, since she has some loyal fans too.

I think I should only talk about Jaggu, because no one is emotional about him!😉😃

Issues or message be damned. It's a serial anyway.

So moral of the story is - only speak ''against'' ''negative'' characters, no nit-picking of ''positive'' characters, only praise and admiration reserved for them and even the places where they live.

There are no issues - only characters and their fans or haters.

You keep ignoring what you don't like about others' posts, but know that others are not going to ignore what they don't like about your posts.

Any more rules or morals to add? Or have I missed something?




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