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Posted: 14 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: hooked


Anandi just lived like a dolled up bahu in the complete security of her haveli and still got lots of ashirvaads for her sacrifice...😕.

Yes... and even today, after all this, she still hangs around the haveli as beti or bahu or whatever. Her mother was completely correct when she shook anandi and said to her "if you dont have a beendh, then that does not make you a beendhni here, the only status you have is that of a maid servant"
Bhago understands the implications of this arrangement perfectly.
It is my hope that anandi understands that gauri or no gauri she cannot, under any circumstances continue to live her life long-term in the haveli as just being a bahu of the household or a beti. Currently, people are understanding and have empathy for her - both home people as well as villagers.
After five years, there will not even be that.
So, she must use the singh haveli to her selfish advantage and use this as a platform/springboard for her future independence... and do it quickly now.
Just staying here and making samosas for nandu, tea and less-sugar kheer for basant, going to her school, this day to day routine has been the same for five years now... which is okay with tag of beendhni. But cannot continue in the long run.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hooked


But this Pratyusha Anandi was just such a watered down 10% conc. solution of the original firebrand...everyone had become disappointed in her. Her ability to swallow every insult, take on every hardship, be agreeable to every little thing and be most attentive to the slightest hurt of everyone was so far from the original spirit.

While I have issues with all of this which you have outlined above, I would not mind if she were just to remain within herself with her tyaag and swallowing insults.
What I have REAL issues is the way she goes out of her way to overextend herself
1. Defend gauri's right to be angry because nobody recognizes her as J's wife and speak for gauri's rights
2. speak to bhairon and arrange for Jagya to get money
3. When gauri is in the kitchen wondering what to make - she will volunteer helpful advice to Gauri to make Kheer because everyone likes it -- and tell her also that devi maa ko bhog chada dena.
4. When the three women - suguna, gehna and sumitra walk out in a show of support for anandi, anandi herself goes and serves jagya and gauri lunch in the thali. Can these two not help themselves to food already served on the table? why does anandi have to serve them?
This is irritating.
In addition, in terms of swallowing insults - I have come to the conclusion that anandi does not have any concept of maan-apmaan.
The village girl argument - a girl who has been persecuted by dadisa and spirit crushed does not hold true at all - because gehna, bhago, sumitra, phooli etc. are all village girls and even they feel that this is an insulting situation for anandi.
Fine you dont need to proactively hurt them... but why proactively be good to J and G?
Keep to yourself and if they come near you for something tell them "I dont want to hurt you, but I wont be helping you either. Please get whatever you want from someone else"
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Posted: 14 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: intruderfast

and i would like to add some more ppl in thsi list
phooli, what kind of friend is she , she was telling anandi how could u hide gaga marriage with me
hello madam , u knew all abt jagya gauri for 5 yrs and you choose to shut ur mouth , even when anandi told u , that jagya does not love her , u kept silent and only gave anandi false hopes
she knew everything still she did not tell anandi, what kind of a friens is she
and that showdown just before the leap, that should have been an eyeopener of sorts esp for bhairon atleast, what didi they do, gave jagya a slap, and thpought everything would be ok
jagya gave so many hints that he does not want anandi, he openly said i did not come at ur place ki anandi ki shaadi kara do mere saath , its just amazing how no one thought that there is some serious problems between anadi and jagya😕
and the most pathetic excuse for anandi not completing her education, no college in jaitser, i mean wth
aftet that fight i believe , jagya ignored anandi, that should have woken up anandi from her slumber, earlier he used to shout abuseat anandi but now he ignored her he did not care what she does in her life
in the final days of jagya anadi relationship we saw how he used to avoid a not speak to her.
and i know many would say i am supporting jagya here but actually it was jagya who exposed himself
he was the one who told anandi he does not love her and they cant be together
and when bhairon came to mumbai, jagya could have easily kept quiet after just saying jagya gauri r pretending to be a couple , he divulged the entire truth then , he loves gauri and will marry her


Anmol@ bold. True Phooli kept quiet maybe out of a false sense of trying to protect her friends' feelings and also maybe she too was hoping this will all brush over. But despite this - if Anandi had confided in Phooli - she wud have realized that the matter is more complex and maybe she wud hv then shared what she knew about Jagya from his friends. Maybe THEN A cud hv asked Lal Singh to verify - net net -maybe Anandi cud have got to know and nip this trouble in the bud b4 it got to their living in and getting married later.

All of this cud hv been done atleast a couple of years prior to now. For that matter - Lal Singh cud hv atleast tried to talk to Anandi and atleast hinted that all was not well. He had tried when he came to repay the loan - but J staled him. He cud always hv written a letter to Anandi. If he wanted - he cud hv helped. After all LS was actually the only witness of J's city behaviour.

By the time J spoke to Bhairon - the damage was already done. J was used to living in and had become comfortable about the whole situation. Plus - Bhairon wasted no time in telling the family about J's kartoot. Bhairon did all that he cud - apart from counseling him and eventually disowning him and cutting off funds - I don't think B had anything more left in his control to reverse the situation.

Tinoo - True - in her zeal to do right by everybody - Anandi makes her own life difficult sometimes. Her wish to help and ingratiate herself with JG probably made her make their life easy and she saw how it backfired. That is why I agree with Anmol in say - Selfishness is small doses is good for preserving the SELF. Ayn Rand actually has a book on the 'Virtues of Selfishness' - though she does go to the limit and beyond 😆.
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Posted: 14 years ago
#64
Moral of the story is that even God cannot help those who dont help themselves. So how could Gauri helped Anandi in anyway?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: kshreya2002

Moral of the story is that even God cannot help those who dont help themselves. So how could Gauri helped Anandi in anyway?

I dont know which is asking G to help A 😉 how can a loser help anyone? Wo apne bare me soch le aur dusaron ke kam me tang na adaye wahin sabpe ehsan hoga 😆 😆 😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Wel i just luved the discussion has been highlight a lot of imp points .special thanks to hima .normaly we discus n reach to same point which is useles.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Moral of the story is even Gauri can't help herself where is she capable of helping others. Now she is willing participant in perpetuating lies.

All the pyscho babble in the world cannot defend her. There are many analysis out there on love relationships but that does not validate wrong doing because it is there. There are many examples of second or third marriages in real life of high profile personalities but to compare them with this would be mere speculation since many of the sound bytes on their lives are not a true reflection of what really took place.

Bottom line, the serial needs to send a positive message to all girls like Gauri who find themselves in a similar situation that they can do the right thing for THEMSELVES.

But Gauri's lying in current episodes prove that she has no qualms being with a habitual lier.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Here is the real news... Breadth of fresh air...

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/04/us-childmarriage-india-idUSTRE7731KE20110804
"But the bride-to-be, a shy schoolgirl from a remote village in western India, wasn't ready to say "I do.

My family was in the midst of planning my wedding," recalled Sapna, her black hair pinned in a bun and a gold stud in her nose, as she sat on a step outside her home in Badakakahera village in Rajasthan state.

"My grandfather had decided that while he was alive he wanted to see that I get married and settled. I was scared to say anything against it at first.

"I went to my mother and told her I wanted to study more and get a job, and only after that would I get married," added the girl, who is from a subsistence farming community that ekes out a living by growing crops like wheat and maize.

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Show the story line where Anandi makes an impact on other girls from her village. I don't care what J-G does... Want to see some positive thing coming out of this serial. The statistics 50% of girls underage marry in India is itself alarming. The educated folks please get involved in NGO's dealing with the real issue in hand and be a catalyst of change.






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Posted: 14 years ago
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thanx for sharing redapple1
it is actually feel so good that...they r becoming bolder!
but the harsh reality...showing a 13 year old boy married to a 11 year old girl!🤢
Edited by khusi_* - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I personally think everyone has been at fault in this issue. Be it Singh family, Gauri and her family or Jagya-Anandi and their foolish friends Lal Singh and Phooli!

I never think of Anandi as a devi. I find her at fault for covering up Jagya's sins even in teenage, or covering up even Sugna's lies to meet Pratap in secret.

Lal Singh is at fault for feeling bad but keeping quiet. Talking to Jagya alone is not enough. He must have talked to elders and informed them about what their son was upto and alerted them.

Phooli too, should have communicated concerns to Anandi's parents and in-laws. In fact, she was so foolish that in name of friendship and for not breaking her friend's heart, she used to give jhoota dilaasa to Anandi also whenever Anandi expressed anything about Jagya's growing berukhi towards her!😡

It's strange how wise and experienced members of Singh family couldn't sense tension between Jagya-Anandi and Jagya's changed behaviour.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME!

I would also like to give benefit of doubt to people in Jetsar!

They thought maybe it's all normal and natural part of growing up. They felt perhaps every teen starts liking college/hostel and new city. They felt he was just excited with his first brush with outside world.

People in rural areas and elders make mistake of thinking that person will get sense and become mature with time!

Not to forget that DS made everyone believe blindly in Jagya and brush aside all his faults. DS' pampering is the main reason why no one was able to discipline Jagya or even cast doubt on him.

As for Anandi, DS used to be very harsh on her whenever she spoke of equal rights or went against Jagya as a kid! DS' subjugation and her brand of socialisation made Anandi so docile and spineless. Plus, Bhago's training about treating husband and in-laws as God and dedicating one's life in their service till the last breath - also changed her.

We should not forget, she was scolded, beaten up, locked up in dark rat-infested store rooms, kicked out of the house, shamed many times in front of the family, her parents were publicly insulted by DS - for all her ''rebelliousness''!

I still don't understand why after all the drama, Anandi never studied further and even family did nothing in those 5 years! It was the most frustrating thing shown in this serial. But again as I said, they might have felt that all those lies at Jagya's birthday party in Mumbai or lying about name at college - must have been Jagya's majboori. He must have done it all, because he was finding it difficult to adjust in city.

About Jagya, see, he gave final ultimatum to Anandi ONLY after those 5 years!! That barking session on phone was only after 5 year leap. Then Anandi fell in depression and whole family went to Mumbai one by one.

Till then, people must have brushed it aside thinking that either his actions were normal, or maybe he did it out of stress of tough studies at college and the friends who knew about his actions, thought maybe he would still get back on right track and stop deceiving both girls - so they all kept silent, hoping for things to mend themselves!

Girls in rural areas are not proactive as such. They are made to believe that they have to bear everything quietly and that neglect or abuse from husband is just a part of married life, and that someday Kanha ji or Devi Ma would set everything right and the girl's patience shall be rewarded!

So I don't completely and solely blame Anandi for all that she had to face. Others had a lot to do with what happened to her.

The problem with Singh family (and many such families in real life) is that they never taught Jagya to be responsible and handle things properly. He was whimsical, moody, fickle, stubborn, ignorant and always in mode of experimenting in life! He still is that way!
Singh family's love and pampering has been strong, but they have been useless in imparting basic values and sense of responsibility and practicality in Jagya!

[I believe they didn't teach a thing to Sugna too! They had no idea what she kept doing behind their back. Both Jagya and Sugna were into lying, hiding stuff, doing their own thing and were irrational, giving in to temptation anytime, anywhere!]

At times, parents tend to get too doting towards their kids and have rose-coloured glasses on their eyes! And if there are sugary and hopelessly pampering grandparents too, then kids get spoilt and get out of hands!

The Singh family was at fault for lying to themselves and consoling themselves with multiple explanations of Jagya's behaviour. Families of young men also fear that if they are too harsh or restrictive, then the boy might run away from them or turn a rebel! So they keep giving their boy time to get back on track!

I think they should have visited him regularly in college, parents sometimes even pay surprise visit to kid's colleges and ask profs and wardens how their ward is doing. Singhs were fools to believe J's explanations! The things they accidentally learnt about him after 5 years, they should have learnt about those things at the very outset!

I think Jagya's cheating on women is also due to DS. He's seen how Basant could get a new girl and how DS was about to get him also, a new girl when she felt Anandi was sick and useless. He's grown up seeing his grandmother BUY girls and replace other girls at will! He's seen both of Basant's wives being treated like doormats. DS made him believe ''thinking'' about feelings of girl or giving too much importance to beendni was un-manly! 🤢

His grandmother, sister, tausa, original jija (Pratap), have not been positive role models for him. He's seen people lying, hiding stuff, fulfilling their whims without bothering about anyone and even their own fate! His ''best friend'' Sundar also ruined him.

He's seen his DS and Tau sa put on fake face in front of society and pretending to be full of values, respect and culture. But buying people, doing things their own twisted way in reality! No wonder he's also expert at being a phoney!😡

Just as his family lives on fake maan-maryada, he tried to live on fake modernity and status!

This whole fiasco is not just about child marriage! It's a complex play of many factors - clash of cultures (village vs. city), faulty upbringing, keeping false hopes about the one you love, blatant patriarchy, selfishness, naivete and ignorance, irresponsibility on everyone's part and having illusion of keeping things in control or being able to manage everything.

It also shows that kids trying to be worldly wise and handling things on their own is also wrong and leads nowhere (Lal Singh-Phooli-Anandi-Gauri-Jagya). And even adults solely relying on their old experience, needs/beliefs and customs and trying to govern child's life is ultimately useless.

And life is not like a book in which you can skim at random. Close old chapters first and only then you can actually proceed to newer chapters, otherwise past keeps haunting you for life! Old loopholes and unattended issues wreak havoc with present.

Each and every person has been at fault in this whole tamasha. No one is 100% innocent.

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