Bhishma's Detachment Against the Dark Backdrop of Greed - Page 8

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hey is Illiad or Oddessy also similar to Mahabharata storewise?

Am asking this because I always had this doubt that if Mahabharata is actually history and was such a great war as demonstrated with the entire world coming in, then why didn't any other civilization mention it in their records.

Egyptians were good at record keeping they also maintained a record about who ascended to the throne in Mesopotamia or elsewhere so how could they have missed such a big happening which engulfed the whole world

Yup about 70% similarity. I recently did a presentation on this very topic *shameless self promotion* 😆

Some articles also suggest Vyasa was inspired by Homer. (For the sake of my sanity I usually pretend I haven't read that 😆).

And just that every civilization has a record of this war. It's mostly just one line, or one number, but they do have something everywhere. Also, the war wasn't as "worldwide" as they say. Only the Eurasian continent.

I don't think they missed it. You'll defo find a record of the war around that time of 1400-1200BCE. They probably did not highlight it kyunki it didn't directly affect them.

Originally posted by: proteeti

Yup about 70% similarity. I recently did a presentation on this very topic *shameless self promotion* 😆

Some articles also suggest Vyasa was inspired by Homer. (For the sake of my sanity I usually pretend I haven't read that 😆).

And just that every civilization has a record of this war. It's mostly just one line, or one number, but they do have something everywhere. Also, the war wasn't as "worldwide" as they say. Only the Eurasian continent.

I don't think they missed it. You'll defo find a record of the war around that time of 1400-1200BCE. They probably did not highlight it kyunki it didn't directly affect them.

Oh that is so fascinating. Didn't know about Egyptian reference.

Could you please make a topic with details from your presentation where we could discuss these?

I really want to know about it but don't want to get into the eyes of the strict VB of this forum 😛😛

Plus I am sure others would be interested too.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Oh that is so fascinating. Didn't know about Egyptian reference.

Could you please make a topic with details from your presentation where we could discuss these?

I really want to know about it but don't want to get into the eyes of the strict VB of this forum 😛😛

Plus I am sure others would be interested too.

It was a 2-min presentation for a Comp-Sci class, but sure I'll dig up some more and make a post later. 😆

Originally posted by: proteeti

It was a 2-min presentation for a Comp-Sci class, but sure I'll dig up some more and make a post later. 😆

Thanks Pro will be waiting for it

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Moving in circles.

😆. Btw, off topic but I like Robert Downey jr.

Originally posted by: proteeti

In MB, if you're willing to dig really deep, it's 90% interpolation. It started off with a cute little story of a was between some random brothers in Vedic India, and over time embellishments were made to make it more interesting. For a long, long time it was passed down orally, and was written down only in the medieval eras.

In this oral traditions, every teller of the story added/subtracted/interpolated their versions to suit their audiences. Pauranic kaal se hi behna saara TRP ka khel hai. 🥱

Yun toh, there's also a theory that even Draupadi's vastraharan is an interpolation. 7000 shlokas to 10,000 ain't a matter of joke hun. 😳

Concrete proof, we don't have but worldwide there's this story of one single war (all retraced back to the same span of 200 years i.e 1400-1200BCE), in the Eurasian continent which is 100% repeated in every book of every culture, including Western ones like Iliad, Odyssey etc. (Just like Noah's Arc and our Matsya Avatar) It is said, ke after was the Battle of Kurukshetra, none other that the 5 Pandavas and Krishna remained alive (and a few other inconsequential people, but woh saare lived in forests). So, who wrote the history then?

I agree with you, proteeti. Epics, by nature, deal with wars. Isn't the entire game about the power-politics in this world? Power and the struggle to attain it lead to war and huge loss.

I have read Iliad and Odyssey and no man, these epics don't even come near Mahabharat and Ramayan. I am reading MB right now. I read Ramacharitmanas during my school years. Our epics are another level, way ahead and way more complex than the western epics. They just can't touch our epics in terms of excellence and intricacies and I don't say it because I am an Indian. I am just being honest.

I think we have drifted a lot from the main topic.😆 Bhishma definitely displayed super-humanly attributes. His journey was all about that. But he was, after all, a human being. So, he had his flaws and some karmic accounts (I mean niyati/destiny by this). One of my fav characters in MB, for sure.

Areh MB bhi kahan stays on one topic. You've read the texts you only tell me, how many layers of he-said-she-said you gotta peel before you get to the real story? 🤣

And call me Pro yaar itna kaahe likhte ho! 😆

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Hey is Illiad or Oddessy also similar to Mahabharata storewise?

Am asking this because I always had this doubt that if Mahabharata is actually history and was such a great war as demonstrated with the entire world coming in, then why didn't any other civilization mention it in their records.

Egyptians were good at record keeping they also maintained a record about who ascended to the throne in Mesopotamia or elsewhere so how could they have missed such a big happening which engulfed the whole world

There is very little similarity. The only similarities I find between Indian epics and Iliad-Odyssey are power-politics and war. You see, the Indian world view or concept of existence/time/life is cyclical while western notion of life is linear. The two philosophies are very different and this is evident in epics. One more thing, Indian representation of women, though by modern standards is subjugatory but is way more progressive than theirs.

Originally posted by: proteeti

Areh MB bhi kahan stays on one topic. You've read the texts you only tell me, how many layers of he-said-she-said you gotta peel before you get to the real story? 🤣

And call me Pro yaar itna kaahe likhte ho! 😆

Kisne kaha, kisse kaha, kyun kaha, kaise kaha, kab kaha, kiske samne kaha, kiske peeche kaha🤣. Dimaag magajmari but hai mazedaar, Pro😆

And of course Hare Krishna is love.❤️Still in demand. ☺️Tomorrow he will come to save Draupadi's honour.

Bheeshma had a very eventful life (my effort to stay relevant to the topic😆).

Originally posted by: sonnet11

Kisne kaha, kisse kaha, kyun kaha, kaise kaha, kab kaha, kiske samne kaha, kiske peeche kaha🤣. Dimaag magajmari but hai mazedaar, Pro😆

And of course Hare Krishna is love.❤️Still in demand. ☺️Tomorrow he will come to save Draupadi's honour.

Bheeshma had a very eventful life (my effort to stay relevant to the topic😆).

Yup. Bheeshma was one gem of a man, aaj kaise daant lagaya Vidura ko aye hayye! "Iske taatsri hai, yeh wahi bolegi!" and "are kaahe ka dharam (??)" 🤣

I was just waiting for him to say yaar or bhai something. 🤪