Akshu ke life ki reality - Page 3

Originally posted by: cutepigs

I only called the execution of the scene making him seem manipulative, you decided to make everything I wrote manipulation. And I mentioned this only, that his insecurities are making him ask for more and change what comes naturally to Akshara, so yes, he also wants a changed Akshara. I never said about any right or wrong, I just said that apart from Abhir, I find nobody who loves Akshara for her, everyone has a certain box for her, and as long as she is there, they love her. This has nothing to do with who she ends up with, who she doesn't...

And don't mind, I am only saying this because you did come off as aggressive to me. "How does that reflect on him?" So if he hasn't slept with his wife, he is not a man anymore? That's pretty much why marital r*pes were made illegal, because men thought that sleeping with their wives made them men.

Even school ke kids ko bhi hum privacy dethe hai and ask them to concerntrate if they are working on something important unka haath pakadkar nahi sothe 😂

Even log kamra band karke jaathe hai when they see some one is working hard. But idhar total ulta hua 😂 woh bhi right hand pakadke so gaya 😂

Again, I am not defending Akshara, all am saying is while she made a mistake to blurt it out, it doesn't reflect anyways on Abhinav or his character. I don't understand how her saying they aren't sleeping together or are just parents, is a bad reflection on him? That, again, for me, comes from the assumption that a married couple should be sleeping together as a rule, not love.

And as for hand holding, yes he is allowed to ask, but again, he never did so before because he never felt insecure, now he does. So he wants Akshara's speed to increase. Again, he can ask for it, no problem, but that is a change he wants, what's wrong in acknowledging that?

Originally posted by: cutepigs

Again, I am not defending Akshara, all am saying is while she made a mistake to blurt it out, it doesn't reflect anyways on Abhinav or his character. I don't understand how her saying they aren't sleeping together or are just parents, is a bad reflection on him? That, again, for me, comes from the assumption that a married couple should be sleeping together as a rule, not love.

And as for hand holding, yes he is allowed to ask, but again, he never did so before because he never felt insecure, now he does. So he wants Akshara's speed to increase. Again, he can ask for it, no problem, but that is a change he wants, what's wrong in acknowledging that?

First of all, I've no idea how my whole post just got reduced to one word "reflect" and has been extrapolated into completely diff direction by you. I'm by no means an advocate of marital r*apes, forced s*x or loveless marriages. I was talking about societal expectations here which aren't ideal but are there nevertheless.

Honestly I'd no intention of coming of as aggressive. The only pt. I wanted to convey was that even after always maintaining his boundaries & never taking advantage of Ak, Nav's still been tagged as manipulative by many which is unfair.

I've always been firm on my stance that what Akshnav want to do in their relationship is totally their call. But painting the argument, as if we live in such an idealistic world where not consummating for 6 yrs even tho when husband-wife are at good terms, is an inconsequential event or must come with no judgements from society, is wrong.

Ak-Nav made a deal and Nav faithfully kept his promise of never crossing the line bw them & just being a friend/partner to Ak n father to Abhir. Their dynamics changed when Ak herself ran & hugged him. Nav still gave her an out. But she wanted to move on.

In their relationship, she's the one who started the physical contact. There've been multiple instances, where Ak when in need of support & warmth, has herself held hands or leaned on Nav.

Now if Nav needs support and asks for Ak's permission to hold her hand, then how is he expecting her to change? For both Ak & Nav holding eo hands is means of seeking comfort in times of turmoil, not to increase speed or mark claims on one-another when insecure.

Originally posted by: verve

First of all, I've no idea how my whole post just got reduced to one word "reflect" and has been extrapolated into completely diff direction by you. I'm by no means an advocate of marital r*apes, forced s*x or loveless marriages. I was talking about societal expectations here which aren't ideal but are there nevertheless.

Honestly I'd no intention of coming of as aggressive. The only pt. I wanted to convey was that even after always maintaining his boundaries & never taking advantage of Ak, Nav's still been tagged as manipulative by many which is unfair.

I've always been firm on my stance that what Akshnav want to do in their relationship is totally their call. But painting the argument, as if we live in such an idealistic world where not consummating for 6 yrs even tho when husband-wife are at good terms, is an inconsequential event or must come with no judgements from society, is wrong.

Ak-Nav made a deal and Nav faithfully kept his promise of never crossing the line bw them & just being a friend/partner to Ak n father to Abhir. Their dynamics changed when Ak herself ran & hugged him. Nav still gave her an out. But she wanted to move on.

In their relationship, she's the one who started the physical contact. There've been multiple instances, where Ak when in need of support & warmth, has herself held hands or leaned on Nav.

Now if Nav needs support and asks for Ak's permission to hold her hand, then how is he expecting her to change? For both Ak & Nav holding eo hands is means of seeking comfort in times of turmoil, not to increase speed or mark claims on one-another when insecure.

Hats off to your patience for even replying to these comments. So now if husband is feeling low and wants to hold wifes hand while sleeping can't imagine it would be taken this way.

I understand they want Abhiras union and even we too want now but this is heights. Chodo inki soch inke Saath. They will eventually learn from life experiences.

And it is celebrated when a married woman hugs her kids doctor in private. Good that atleast doctor showed some sense and reminded her identity.

Originally posted by: ExpectoPatronu

Akshu fas gayi hai iske sath pata nahi kab tak ye admi ko dekhna hoga

Yes, of course! approaching a man to become father of her child ko fas gayi hi toh kehte hai

Originally posted by: verve

First of all, I've no idea how my whole post just got reduced to one word "reflect" and has been extrapolated into completely diff direction by you. I'm by no means an advocate of marital r*apes, forced s*x or loveless marriages. I was talking about societal expectations here which aren't ideal but are there nevertheless.

Honestly I'd no intention of coming of as aggressive. The only pt. I wanted to convey was that even after always maintaining his boundaries & never taking advantage of Ak, Nav's still been tagged as manipulative by many which is unfair.

I've always been firm on my stance that what Akshnav want to do in their relationship is totally their call. But painting the argument, as if we live in such an idealistic world where not consummating for 6 yrs even tho when husband-wife are at good terms, is an inconsequential event or must come with no judgements from society, is wrong.

Ak-Nav made a deal and Nav faithfully kept his promise of never crossing the line bw them & just being a friend/partner to Ak n father to Abhir. Their dynamics changed when Ak herself ran & hugged him. Nav still gave her an out. But she wanted to move on.

In their relationship, she's the one who started the physical contact. There've been multiple instances, where Ak when in need of support & warmth, has herself held hands or leaned on Nav.

Now if Nav needs support and asks for Ak's permission to hold her hand, then how is he expecting her to change? For both Ak & Nav holding eo hands is means of seeking comfort in times of turmoil, not to increase speed or mark claims on one-another when insecure.

I don't think it's about anything except Ak's hesitation and her mask. In some instances, like hugging Abhinav after confronting Abhi or holding his hands when worried, etc, she is actually wanting to do those things. It's shown clearly that she needs the support and she wants to be with Abhinav. But in other instances, like in the hand-holding case, her expression changed drastically after Abhinav closed his eyes, and she was awkward even before that. I wouldn't say anyone is manipulating anyone. Abhinav needed support, but is Ak ready to give it?

Abhinav has supported Ak unconditionally for six years, so she cannot deny him the same support. But she honestly doesn't seem up for it. Every time her expression changes once Abhinav leaves the scene. Its shown deliberately that she is more worried, anxious, or concerned than she is showing him. Whether this is about the physical intimacy or not is for anyone to guess, and theories are being formed on that basis.

Finally, the initiation of the kiss was super weird. I am not sure how anyone found that romantic. The timing of it and everything just seemed rushed. I don't think they have shown Abhira get to that stage until much later in their relationship. I am not saying that both relationships should be the same, and I understand that Ak is a married woman, etc. But as far as I know, you can't go from hugging someone for the first time to kissing them in a week. Maybe if they spent more time on that romance, it would have made more sense. But here, it just didn't.

Originally posted by: verve

First of all, I've no idea how my whole post just got reduced to one word "reflect" and has been extrapolated into completely diff direction by you. I'm by no means an advocate of marital r*apes, forced s*x or loveless marriages. I was talking about societal expectations here which aren't ideal but are there nevertheless.

Honestly I'd no intention of coming of as aggressive. The only pt. I wanted to convey was that even after always maintaining his boundaries & never taking advantage of Ak, Nav's still been tagged as manipulative by many which is unfair.

I've always been firm on my stance that what Akshnav want to do in their relationship is totally their call. But painting the argument, as if we live in such an idealistic world where not consummating for 6 yrs even tho when husband-wife are at good terms, is an inconsequential event or must come with no judgements from society, is wrong.

Ak-Nav made a deal and Nav faithfully kept his promise of never crossing the line bw them & just being a friend/partner to Ak n father to Abhir. Their dynamics changed when Ak herself ran & hugged him. Nav still gave her an out. But she wanted to move on.

In their relationship, she's the one who started the physical contact. There've been multiple instances, where Ak when in need of support & warmth, has herself held hands or leaned on Nav.

Now if Nav needs support and asks for Ak's permission to hold her hand, then how is he expecting her to change? For both Ak & Nav holding eo hands is means of seeking comfort in times of turmoil, not to increase speed or mark claims on one-another when insecure.

Again, am not tagging him manipulative. Expecting someone to change for you isn't always manipulative, especially when you are asking for it. In any arrange marriage, there is always compromises from both sides, for a successful at least, which means you are both changing for the other person bit by bit. Abhinav has always been super comfortable with whatever their relationship was, but it can't be denied that Abhimanyu's entry as Abhir's father especially, changes the dynamics because he has always known that Akshara might not be his wife, but Abhir is always his son, which makes him insecure and rightfully so again. When I say even he wants to change Akshara, it's simple. There are times he notices things, but he either chooses to ignore or believe Akshara's words, or ask her for assurance in his own way, which results in Akshara changing herself. I never said Akshara is not manipulative herself, she likes the peace and quiet of her relationship with Abhinav and wants that, the same way Abhinav wants the only woman he has loved, but nothing denies that they both want each other to change, only Abhir doesn't want Akshara to change, he wants her with him as she is, because he has the most pure form of Akshara.

Hey. I'm going to give my honest opinion. I've seriously lost my will to analyze this merry-go-round of a screenplay. It's good if you're able to find rhyme in this & decode ckt actions n expressions. Bcos I'm not able to. For me they're just giving carrots to each fd every alternate day.

You said she can't deny Nav support bcos she's indebted. Agreed.

So this implies that, acc. to Akshara, when she wants support, then Nav needs to be present around her (bcos she clearly doesn't let the guy go). She also gives him earmest speeches on what she expects from him as a partner. If she feels like it she initiates physical contact (even tho she clearly knows the man loves her n is super sensitive). But when Nav needs support or initiates contact, then she feels forced to do it & for sake of gratitude pretends in front of him.

So what does that make her??

Nothing short of a manipulator in guise of a good woman.

As people aptly said today - "She's just a pendulum nothing more. She only uses Nav as a shield for her non-existent self respect."

If this was a heart vs head debate, I might've found it in me to emphasize with her. But here it's clear that her heart wants 2 things at the same time - Respect and partnership she gets from Nav & passion and protection she felt with Ab.

If this is the kind of legacy torch bearer is what writers are writing intentionally, then slow claps to them from my side. If she loves or can ever truly love Abhimanyu I truly wish them a lifetime of happiness.

I personally have decided from this pt. onwards to never defend her or wish her with Nav. You might've a diff outlook, but despite all his flaws and faults Nav deserved a better wife than her.

Abhir is the only collateral damage my heart will go out to. But it's his fate to have such bio parents, so he has to take the hand dealt to him.

Originally posted by: cutepigs

Again, am not tagging him manipulative. Expecting someone to change for you isn't always manipulative, especially when you are asking for it. In any arrange marriage, there is always compromises from both sides, for a successful at least, which means you are both changing for the other person bit by bit. Abhinav has always been super comfortable with whatever their relationship was, but it can't be denied that Abhimanyu's entry as Abhir's father especially, changes the dynamics because he has always known that Akshara might not be his wife, but Abhir is always his son, which makes him insecure and rightfully so again. When I say even he wants to change Akshara, it's simple. There are times he notices things, but he either chooses to ignore or believe Akshara's words, or ask her for assurance in his own way, which results in Akshara changing herself. I never said Akshara is not manipulative herself, she likes the peace and quiet of her relationship with Abhinav and wants that, the same way Abhinav wants the only woman he has loved, but nothing denies that they both want each other to change, only Abhir doesn't want Akshara to change, he wants her with him as she is, because he has the most pure form of Akshara.

@bold Agree

@blue That's bcos he doesn't know how much of a liar & flipper she is. This is something Abhimanyu has witnessed firsthand, but unfortunately Abhinav hasn't seen this. So he takes her words at face value. He himself has always been honest with her. Whether when he found out about Abhimanyu being her ex, or it was after their 1st UD trip, or when he was insecure about loosing Abhir.

@green Akshara has assigned herself the task of changing. That's on her. Nav had exclusively said he never wishes to be ehsaan ka pati, yet she has specifically reduced him to that. Unlike Ak, I've never seen Nav giving details of what he expects from her as a partner. All he ever shows is gratitude to her for filling his empty photo frames & giving him a family. If she keeps on adding everything he says or does to her pgs long gratitude list then she needs a counselor.

@red The only reason I ever got onboard Akshnav was bcos I never thot ITV will show a fl manipulating & leading on a decent guy. I've to say dkp has taken me by surprise. But yeah since it's established now I've no issue backtracking.

I, Sejal, Nisha, Hetvi, Uma and many others joined solely for NavBhir. Abhir is the purest but his bio parents have effectively paved path for badly messing up that sweet, sensitive child.

Agreed to everything you mentioned. I do think she wants both things and in a way is being manipulative. But I don't think she realizes that right now. She will eventually when it is too late. But this is Ak's character from the beginning. She is not like typical ITV FL who are strong and rarely if ever wrong. Ak has been wrong from the beginning.

Think about pre confession as well. She wanted to keep her family and Arohi happy which means giving up on Abhi. But she never really did give up on him. The moment he took his attention away from her she felt bad and was giving him longing looks. To everyone that says all of that was one sided from Abhi, they obviously skipped on everything Ak was doing to be close with him. While he was getting married to her sister! I am not saying Abhi has zero blame or anything. But Ak is maha flipper and she is rarely clear on her own emotions.