HOW NAINA MAY BECOME PARASITIC & HARMFUL FOR SAMEER? Hard Truth

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Posted: 7 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: sanfan
Hey Doc...

Aap bahut aage soch lete ho!!😆😆

Lest we all forget we are here talking of 16 year olds...yes...they are supposed to know a lot of things but their understanding of their world is largely shaped by what they see around them.

Naina for instance has seen a parent who has always been dismissive of her. She also has seen an aunt and uncle (Taiji & Tauji) who never miss an opportunity to run down her father or blame her for the misfortunes that the family faces. She has also had abundant love in the form of a close knit family of sister, brother and aunt and uncle ( Chachi and Chacha) who let her see the bright side of her life. So, while she has had shocks she has also has had shock absorbers in her life. So, she grows up in a conservative household which have social mores that are different from Sameer's life. Having a different yardstick of viewing things. A case in point...her strong support system in Chanchi and Chachi are experiencing a hurricane in their life and the boy she was keen to see as Prince Charming turned to be a toad.. So Expecting Naina to stand up at this juncture when the support system she has is so shaky is a herculean task. Ltho she may well do stand up to all that is wrong in her life in the future ( CVs ki ichha par),

But just for a moment, I want to throw a curve ball at this juncture in terms of how we read Rakesh as a character. I don't have to write anything about what we already know of him ...we all seem in agreement that he is an insufferable character.😕

But just for a moment...let's think of this a little differently. We know that Rakesh suffers deep seated insecurity issues. There are a lot of people who face those issues. Achievers and Non achievers...the world always puts them in two baskets. An achiever is celebrated while a non achiever or a laggard in life is often the butt of ridicule,jokes and insults. It can cause serious lack of self esteem in such people. Yet, people may be different in the way they deal with the pressure. Either they may withdraw into a shell when insulted or become bitter as Rakesh. Yes, there is also a more mature way to handle it by encouraging others where one has failed but does that always come easily to people? Mostly insecure people fall in the earlier mentioned baskets. The only thing in this story, we don't know how a withdrawn Rakesh (sehma hua) would have been if that was his character sketch. The writers placed a difficult and bitter Rakesh for a purpose...and a bhoj ke tale dhaba Arjun in Naina's life for a purpose. So maybe we can sit back and enjoy the dyanamics of what a free spirited Sameer in the equation will do. He is the hawa ka jhonka...let's enjoy him!!

As for parasitic and problematic part of the relationship...I will just say this , a relationship between two equals in a bond of love cannot be seen in terms of who brings in how much wealth into the equation.

Hi Sanfan,

Thanks for commenting.

When I say Parasitic, I say it with a wholesome picture (with the assumption that Sameer & Naina get married and become in-law in each other's family)

In this assumption, the current age of 16/17 years is not much relevant. As the whole assumption of my post is based on the supposition that Sameer & Naina go on to marry each other.

In the case of that event, (Marriage) considering the current scenario, there seems a lot of probability of this whole aspect turning parasitic for Sameer.

That was my assessment based on the assumption that Sameer & Naina get married and also the assumption that Naina never takes the real effort to free Sameer of all the false accusations and abuses by her father/brother.

In today's episode - this was very evident. Both Rakesh and Arjun are Parasitic in Nature. Rakesh trying to suck some money out of Sameer (a 17-year-old kid) and Arjun showing no remorse for someone innocent (Sameer) facing all the tortures/insults for the crime he committed.

In all these Naina is a mum spectator.

These are clear-cut indications of PROBABLY a very TOXIC RELATION for Sameer if he goes ahead and settles with Naina.

It will come with a huge baggage of two selfish and venomous individuals (Rakesh and budding Arjun)who will always try to take advantage of Sameer because he comes from money.

And Naina will keep mum as she always does when it involves any wrongdoings from her family members.

Toxic and parasitic for Sameer where he will end up giving and giving but not getting what he should.

This is all with the assumption that They DO get Married and also the assumption that Naina does not develop any courage or interest to raise voices against her father/brother when they are wrong. The more the realization and a suitable action by Naina are delayed the more it points to my assumption.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#12

Don, you know what. Redemption for Sameer is fine. He placed a bet, hurt a girl's feelings, feels guilty and wants to redeem himself.

But in the process of redemption, I do not want him to be reduced into a Sissy.

We all loved Sameer because of his attitude, his self confidence to stand up to himself and his nature to face whatever circumstances are thrown at him.

But I just do not want him to be reduced into someone who just bears everything thrown at him like some helpless "Abala Naari". It is not who Sameer his.

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Dr.DonnyJohn

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: canapoem
Don, you know what. Redemption for Sameer is fine. He placed a bet, hurt a girl's feelings, feels guilty and wants to redeem himself.

But in the process of redemption, I do not want him to be reduced into a Sissy.

We all loved Sameer because of his attitude, his self confidence to stand up to himself and his nature to face whatever circumstances are thrown at him.
But I just do not want him to be reduced into someone who just bears everything thrown at him like some helpless "Abala Naari". It is not who Sameer his.

Hi Canapoem,

You are absolutely right.

I don't know if it is intentional by the writers or poor direction.

Because Naina is turning from a beloved & innocent character into a smart, calculative and spiteful girl. It is evident by the changing shift of viewers towards the character. If the makers are doing it intentionally then they have something planned. However, if not then then direction of progress is not going correct.

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Dr.Don

Hi Canapoem,

You are absolutely right.

I don't know if it is intentional by the writers or poor direction.

Because Naina is turning from a beloved & innocent character into a smart, calculative and spiteful girl. It is evident by the changing shift of viewers towards the character. If the makers are doing it intentionally then they have something planned. However, if not then then direction of progress is not going correct.

Yes. Something is off track recently.

If this is to increase the TRPs of the show, then it's a wrong move

The fact is YUDKBH was loved due to the fact that it was so close to reality.

But suddenly it feels like some Ekta Kapoor Ki Saas Bahu drama.

I hope the makers realise that they are spoiling the show by doing this.

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Kavila
👏u surprised me everytime..
What a bang on post.

Well see we are watching an Indian TV and Indian TV specially sony is famous for thier over love for Fl...

So this thing is bound to happen...sameer will treated as a doormat and will be...
.😡

Hi Kavila,

I am really surprised by the changing views of the Fandom towards the character of Naina.

She is heartbroken and cheated by Sameer. The whole fandom was in support of her. So, what changed?

The thing that changed is the narrative. The narrative is making Naina appear two-faced hypocrite who ignores all the wrongdoings of her father and brother. However, she is first to lecture others on truth. This double standard is too visible and that is making people react negatively to the character of Naina.

Sameer has been reduced to a doormat. All the wrong people or real culprits (Rakesh, Arjun) are bashing him left, right and center for no fault of him.

If this narrative is intentional then hopefully it serves a purpose.

But the current track and its presentation are testing the patience.

Uff !!!

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Absolutely! You just spoke my mind. Naina as a character has become irritating. Like father, like brother, like daughter.True she is hurt but she loved Sameer na? It is no way true love. She was just infatuated. Sameer is indeed in love. The way Sameer has apologized for his mistakes, none can behave so rudely with him. I personally will be away from such a family indinon ya undinon. Ofcourse she needs to reveal the truth to prove herself worth for the relationship.

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Dr.DonnyJohn

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: DevPK
Absolutely! You just spoke my mind. Naina as a character has become irritating. Like father, like brother, like daughter.True she is hurt but she loved Sameer na? It is no way true love. She was just infatuated. Sameer is indeed in love. The way Sameer has apologized for his mistakes, none can behave so rudely with him. I personally will be away from such a family indinon ya undinon. Ofcourse she needs to reveal the truth to prove herself worth for the relationship.

Hi DevPK

It will indeed be very toxic being in such a family that too as a probable son in law. It's actually very tough to maintain sanity in such a scenario. Any son in law will go bonkers and frustrated.

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Samaina_1990

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Thanks for the reference Doc!! I'm currently developing a list of my least favorite characters...while Taiji n Rakesh keep fighting for the top slot, Arjun is slowly progressing towards it too...😡What the hell is wrong with this guy? I understand he hates Sameer for what he did to his sister. I even understand and even accept what he did to Sameer on the cricket pitch. I'm in favour of him not defending Sameer n blaming him for his injury...okay all for the anger for what he did to his sister...but I'm now waiting for the day when this bro sis duo realize that they were wrong n own upto their mistakes. I want Sameer to question Naina, feel betrayed by her. He started the bet, but as per Naina, she was madly in love with him. Yet she didn't trust him with the secret. At least in Mt. Abu she could have told him. Frankly saying if she could get Sameer punished, she could get her brother punished too. I would like to see her take the hard path here...apologize to Sameer, bear the brunt of his anger for a change. I guess Sameer would still keep the secret to himself m.that's when she would realize he is genuine n he does care for her. Probably that's when she would listen to her heart again...she too, like Sameer did this intentionally...no justification here. That's when she may realize what Sameer must be feeling- the need for prayashchit..being in his shoes, she would understand his situation better now...that may trigger the love birds to set their issues aside...

N I totally agree with you on the parasitic relationship...but I strongly feel Naina would get her sense of righteousness back after this incident n slowly she would learn to stand up for Sameer when he's right. I want her to tell her dad that she taught him willingly, she was wrong in hiding the truth...and maybe later on that she loves him n would be with him no matter what...

About Rakesh, well no comments now...he just stooped to the rock bottom with the 5 lac demand today...I have nothing to defend him by.

My most favorite character: Sameer! A young man with faults, but having the courage to set things right. I guess that's what a girl needs- a guy who'll always stand by you n help you become a better version of yourself. That's I guess what love is all about too😊

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Dr.Don

Hi Sanfan,

Thanks for commenting.

When I say Parasitic, I say it with a wholesome picture (with the assumption that Sameer & Naina get married and become in-law in each other's family)

In this assumption, the current age of 16/17 years is not much relevant. As the whole assumption of my post is based on the supposition that Sameer & Naina go on to marry each other.

In the case of that event, (Marriage) considering the current scenario, there seems a lot of probability of this whole aspect turning parasitic for Sameer.

That was my assessment based on the assumption that Sameer & Naina get married and also the assumption that Naina never takes the real effort to free Sameer of all the false accusations and abuses by her father/brother.

In today's episode - this was very evident. Both Rakesh and Arjun are Parasitic in Nature. Rakesh trying to suck some money out of Sameer (a 17-year-old kid) and Arjun showing no remorse for someone innocent (Sameer) facing all the tortures/insults for the crime he committed.

In all these Naina is a mum spectator.

These are clear-cut indications of PROBABLY a very TOXIC RELATION for Sameer if he goes ahead and settles with Naina.

It will come with a huge baggage of two selfish and venomous individuals (Rakesh and budding Arjun)who will always try to take advantage of Sameer because he comes from money.

And Naina will keep mum as she always does when it involves any wrongdoings from her family members.

Toxic and parasitic for Sameer where he will end up giving and giving but not getting what he should.

This is all with the assumption that They DO get Married and also the assumption that Naina does not develop any courage or interest to raise voices against her father/brother when they are wrong. The more the realization and a suitable action by Naina are delayed the more it points to my assumption.

Hi Doc...its always good to keep the conversation going on points of interest or even difference.

I did understand that you are commenting about a future scenario...but it is in the same breath that I made that specific point that bonds of love viewed through that prism of exchange makes me uncomfortable. May I also say that you are commenting about a future scenario based on current circumstances...which could easily change.

I could easily paint a few scenarios that may look to be different versions of the ones you painted above...

Lets assume a scenario where after trials and tribulations...they actually wed and they start a life together. Maybe Rakesh could be happy or he could be unhappy.

Suppose he is unhappy _ His unhappiness will be largely due to the fact that she did it without his consent. In this scenario...not sure why Rakesh would like to take money from Naina Sameer? Just asking!! Could not relate to that aspect. He will be fuming mad and stay fuming mad. 😆

Suppose he is happy_ In that situation, if I were to assume your train of thought...him demanding money from his damaad...well I am wondering, since these are the 90s we are talking of...I am not sure if families of girls demanded the money from their sons-in-law. 😕 As for Naina Sameer helping Rakesh of their own free will...who knows...its a situation that I dont think should be viewed as a parasitic behaviour...That' s not a definition I associate with the situation. Helping someone with love and respect so that they view their situation more favourably. It is upto the CVs how they decide to make Rakesh matter in their story. But, a character can be redeemed if the circumstances can be changed. Just saying, if Sameer or Naina or they both together could be change agents to allow Rakesh to get over his bitterness. Who Knows?

Having said that I completely accept that Rakesh and Taiji are very toxic characters right now. Their behaviour is savage. The Cvs could easily tone it down a notch. If i were the writer, I would certainly do it, but I don't think anyone will watch the drama i write...😆😆 People who tune in to TV generally like drama 😆 We are perhaps in a minority wanting the drama to be toned down. Anyways my point is that I do see Rakesh and Taiji as the propellers of hateful behaviour at the moment and see everyone around them the product of the circumstances of that hate in different ways, I wouldnt rush to judge Arjun or Naina at this point as the story unfolds. They are merely reacting to the situation around them. Should Arjun or Naina try to be more introspective? Yes, they can but I wouldnt say the trigger is already there just becos Sameer is in the house, What has changed for them to change their perspective? Naina and Arjun are both guilty of not coming clean on the cheating issue but I call them character traits fuelled by circumstances. They have shown the ability to be introspective in the past so I can see that graph change as well. As for Rakesh...I still think he is redeemable...Taiji...yaar yeh toh mere bhi palle nahin padti...😆😆 She is incorrible and beyond redemption...she is the TRP element of this show 😉

I get it that you are saying that the toxicity of the trio repulses you. I see them a bit differently that is all...I see Rakesh as a toxic character...I see the other two as products of that circumstances...I see in Naina and Arjun siblings that are pulled in two directions and have perhaps lost their sense of judgement due to the circumstances they are facing. They are not lost to us as characters who cant be redeemed. Naina will respond to the love as will Arjun, it is love that saves us not hate. Surprise of surprise...even Tyabji may turn over a new leaf...😆 Sameer will spread his charm...😊

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vasudha0404

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Posted: 7 years ago

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So true. Naina always bashes Sameer for even the tiniest of mistakes. Always trying to become this epitome of truth and honesty. But when it comes to her own brother, the girl wouldn't utter a single word. Why so dual-faced, hmm?
May be if you had disclosed the truth the moment you had found out about it, all this shit wouldn't have happened in the first place. Why treat Sameer like a criminal when you claim to be in love with him ? I sometimes feel Naina has always taken Sameer on face value. When he does something good, he's great and admirable and kind hearted and the moment he does something wrong, he's back to being "Aawara" and "Lafanga" ( Naina's thesaurus just pisses me off )
And somehow this situation is nothing too unfamiliar. Boys are assumed to be emotionless and hence can easily be abused emotionally and mentally. In our society, it is okay for a girl to tag a boy as Aawara but try calling a girl Aawara and it becomes an issue of feminism. Calling someone names is wrong, be it a male or a female. Naina calling Sameer names is not only wrong but also shows the judgemental side of her nature. How would she react if she gets teased by the bet boys in school ? How would she feel if they start judging her character just because she confessed her love openly ?
Whatever flaws Sameer may have, none of them are as bad as the ones we witness in Naina's character. She is selfish, egoistic and judgemental. Saving Arjun's ass may have helped her to stroke her own ego, but it has eventually messed up their lives. It is high time that Naina herself should try to absolve Sameer of all the false accusations instead of going on her never ending ego trips.

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