a nagging thought - Page 7

Originally posted by: -K.13-

If I may butt in - had it been Lakshmi, he would have treated her well. But they don't have the previous comfort or connections that Shagun & he do. Plus imagine - would a woman being paid to be a surrogate have the same clout as someone who is volunteering their womb out of a sense of guilt?

In Kkusum - the surrogate misunderstood the ML's concern as love & became the vamp.

Here the surrogate and ML have a history, which leads to a different dynamic.

So I personally don't think he would've done all the same things for Lakshmi until she became entitled like Shagun is. For him, he is caring for the child in the womb so he can't see beyond that.

Like Nidoo said earlier - there is a reason it's Shagun that's the surrogate occurring as the background of the insecurity track. In the CVs mind there was no other way to get Raman to come off as caring for Shagun.

🤢 to this track.

Good post and after reading the wonderful replies could not stop myself writing my view. Hope my guess is right but Cv's n their logic ,god knows

We may agree or not but yes there is a triangle or say a tangled web between Ishita, Raman n Shagun . Shagun not as love but as ruhadi s mom n some where as in the form of insecurity in both Ishra's hearts. Not as real third angle but as insecurity.I guess this track is showing the same n from the start of changing to snow white in Mumbai to consummation to now.

Ishra... they married for Ruhi ke liye n eventually they fell in love but whenever an issue arises they keep their shield ready Ruhi. They r so deeply in love but shades of their past r still there even now.they talk abt everything n everyone's issues else clearing their insecurities with each other where the treatment of their issues r each other.She still believes Shags is more in Raman's life cos of kids n He thinks she may leave him as Ashok always says to him n he believes it every time , moreover he thinks he is not perfect for her.

Ishita.. She is content but some where her past that love is not enough for entire life ,there should be kids to bind the two is deeply rooted in her.She knows RKB loves her but when she sees Shagun that insecurity comes out n now this surrogacy track is making her thinking the same that too practically.She wants only Raman's love n he stand for her like Ruhi stands for her coz some where he always lays back when she needs him more like Lori or even now present track.

Raman.. There is no doubt he loves Ishu like mad but his past makes him to compare her with Shagun.He was always giving in the past n needed only love n now when he is at receiving end he feels like , he has to give Ishu more as in gifts which Shags used to love or else she will leave him too.Hence his gifts n now the surprise baby lol.He knows Ishu is not Shags but when circumstances arise he thinks the same, he needs to know that she wants only love n trust from him.Moreover he thinks Ashok changed Shags in the past but in real not Ashok its Shags nature.Eg: RKB's meri purani wali shagun in bus.Now he is again meeting with his old love i.e gud Shagun ,his old memories resurfacing,now he will go back to her or get attracted to her in this separation phase is his real test ki he emerges as Ishita's Raman or Shagun's Raman. As Shagun will turn neg now to get RKB then he might know her true nature n also that she needs no one like Ashok to change her .

Shagun.. She should clearly needs to know that even though she has turn gud n is close to him as in for baby, RKB has moved on from her completely n there is no going back to her.

To start newer relations these 3 atleast Ishra need to have complete closure from their past i.e Shags n also from the kids ke liye phase .Hope this time reunion should be out of complete love for each other not coz of their own kid too.

I completely oppose surrogacy , hope they make some hoopla n show its not done or its not Ishra's n Sharam's baby. There is no justification for Raman's actions these days but hope they some how redeem him in the process.

Yes, these nagging thoughts are gnawing at me too.

The loving, caring Raman wished that Ishita enjoy motherhood. He wanted to save her from being branded as barren. But is he so stupid to think that surrogacy will satisfy his intentions? Surrogacy only underscores Ishu's infertility and insecurity issues.

Knowing very well that Ishita would not accede to surrogacy, is it right to con her to sign the consent form? In simple terms, it's betrayal of her trust.

Isn't he too insensible and insensitive to choose his ex-wife, who never spared an opportunity to taunt Ishita, as the surrogate mother?

Raman claims he does all this for Ishita's happiness!!!!!!

He believes his decisions and actions are justifiable.

But ends do not justify the means.

He blatantly disregards her rights as a woman. His myopic and male-centric attitude and secretive moves only result in Ishra's split and sorrow.

As you said, having spent countless hours on this show, it's hard not to be perturbed by the abysmal fall of YHM.

Originally posted by: charminggenie

But the real scary question be, if ever Shagun had a realization of her sins in the past say like Romi would Raman be more forgiving towards her and what sort of equation he would have had with her? I am very curious about his perception of Ishita - the woman, wife and most importantly the love- how is that emotion distinct.

Don't know what I rambled, but this discussion was interesting. Sorry for interrupting.

Originally posted by: -Nidoo-

Kri, this is what I think about his compliment and ice cream date.

For him to become as obsessive about this baby as he has become, he needed to have been insanely in love with Ishita, which he proclaims he is, and I choose to give him the benefit of doubt for the sake of this thought process.

He has recently become friends with Shagun. Who is a beautiful woman, one that he loved once. And she is carrying his child that he's so blind about. That makes it 3 reasons.

When he sees her in that black saree, he remembers that she's still beautiful. He compliments her without thinking. Because in his mind, she's not the most beautiful woman anymore. She's just another good looking woman whom he knows for the last 12 years.

The ice cream date belongs to the baby. As much as the Ruhi school function belonged to the baby. To keep the woman who's carrying his miracle child happy and secure, because he feels obligated to her, when in reality, its her redemption and not his obligation, but never mind.

Having said this, I hate him for complimenting her and taking her out on an ice-cream date. I maybe cannot HATE hate him, but I do hate him as much as I can in this case.

Not only because he's doing all this for Shagun, but also because he's perceptive enough to understand she might need all this to keep calm, but because he's so unperceptive to see Ishita's hurt and tears.

I don't know if I made any sense 😕