a nagging thought - Page 6

Originally posted by: RomComFan

Thirs post, sorry... but i can't resist.

Because you mentioned one of my favorite tracks in reference to this, and because I think we can all use a reminder of what this how used to be... my two favorite moments from one of my top three tracks ever on this show:





What I wouldn't give to have that RKB back...

Originally posted by: -Nidoo-

After a lot of telly-soapish experience, I have come close to understanding how these telly CVs brains work.

They do think about what are the core plots of this show.

In YHM's case, Infertility and Infidelity.

How do we combine both the plots in a single track so as to be able to go to base zero?

Involve a character which is central to both the issues.

In this case, Shagun. How is Shagun involved in infertility you may ask. Simply by being the biological mother of Ishita's kids.

Lets first talk about the Infertility issue.

What will bring Ishita's infertility insecurity at the forefront?

When she sees someone pregnant? Scratch that! She won't be affected by random strangers.

When she sees Subbu's wife pregnant? Scratch that too, we killed Subbu's wife. Moreover, Ishita wouldn't be affected by Subbu that much now because she has Raman.

When she sees Shagun pregnant again? Now thats interesting.

When she sees Shagun pregnant with Raman's child? JACKPOT!

So Plot 1 brought to the forefront for drama: Make Shagun pregnant with Raman's child.

But wait!

IshRa's bond is supposed to be 'sacred'. Raman cannot be made to jiggy with Shagun, not even when drunk. Because even before he married Ishita, he got drunk and never touched her because he felt disgusted. And he loves Ishita! Questioning his love for her would be a sin.

What is the other way that she could get pregnant with Raman's child?

Check medical books.

Seems Surrogacy is a viable option.

Good, we're going in for surrogacy.

And because Shagun becomes pregnant, Raman takes care of her, Ishita gets jealous. While on one hand Raman forgives Shagun and becomes friends, Ishita thinks he's cheating on her. Infidelity tackled too!

One in hand, two in bush!

But, how will this all happen? As in narrative? How will Shagun become the surrogate? Why will Ishita consent? How will Raman agree?

I don't know, I don't care. Just make it happen.

We need to see Shagun pregnant with Raman's child to bring both the core plots back into limelight - Infertility and Infidelity. This is the most fool-proof way!

Originally posted by: -Gan-

How can I hurl abuse at one of my favorite characters... I have held him responsible as and when he had messed up as much as I have blamed Ishita...because as you and others who know me well , know that I cant hate either of them. I relate to their flaws more than their positive traits and always have looked at them more as a unit, rather that individual components.

I loved how you put across his mindset leading to this destructive obsession of getting Ishita her bioligical kids. Thank you for that..and maybe for that reason some of us can't hate him as others who are only focusing on his kaand. But we can't defend him either because like you put across...this he brought it upon himself. And like you many of us can't see any flicker of hope that SP tries to push of his redemption, of the situation getting less convoluted than it is right now. For me that's why more than the surrogacy, his actions leading to it have become more important...I dont care even if it was this big warped story-line of Shagun/Anda Chor/whole hospital's evil conspiracy and there is no baby...still Raman doesn't get scott free because his actions were done prior to Shagun's involvement directly in the surrogacy. Your parts in bold sets the crux of the situation perfectly. And that is where my disconnect with the storyline is.

And as we know by history...the CVs will take the short cut route to come out of this clusterf*ck they have manufactured...It is their responsibility that we're at a crossroad where unless the characters are again severely compromised, separation is the only route.

Was it really worth it? This track...that's my question to the creatives or the channel

(dont know if I made any sense...as I'm probaly repeating the same thought over and over again...as frankly I'm caught up in that web of confusion myself😕)

Originally posted by: -K.13-

You know...I've said this in passing to people, but I suspect Raman suffers bipolar disorder (or the milder form called cyclothymic disorder). Bipolar disorder is NOT split personalities or anything.

Raman gets caught up in these manic episodes where he displays symptoms of: (1) increased irritability, (2) goal-focused/one track mind, (3) reckless/self-damaging behavior, and (4) increased self-esteem/grandiosity.

Then when he is not manic he often has shown depressive symptoms: (1) disproportional sadness, (2) incredible guilt, (3) feelings of hopelessness & worthlessness, and (4) indecisiveness.

This isn't to be a joke, but this "new" Raman they have crafted in the name of drama is one who inadvertently suffers a mental illness. This isn't to justify any behaviors shown, but I just think there is something unsettlingly pathologic to who Raman has become, especially in 2015.

If you want to learn more about bipolar disorder - here's a good link: http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/bipolar-disorder/basics/symptoms/con-20027544

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Diagnosing on screen characters aside...I really wonder how anyone can conceive such a track in the name of love?

We've talked about this before - but I cannot fathom even how this idea came to fruition. It seems so unthinkable to me.

Tis a pity.

Originally posted by: -kri-

Nids, when i started editing Gan's comment, believe me, i was about to write the same. It is in his trait, his obsession. Interestingly, an year before, i wrote a topic on the same

Ishita...Raman's new found weakness???

But, when i was about to write it again, one question that my friend asked stopped me. What could possibly be the justification behind complimenting Shagun and taking her for a ice cream date. I am still searching for an answer so that RKB's redemption becomes easy. If you can, help me with that. I can't hate him...

Originally posted by: -Nidoo-

Kri, this is what I think about his compliment and ice cream date.

For him to become as obsessive about this baby as he has become, he needed to have been insanely in love with Ishita, which he proclaims he is, and I choose to give him the benefit of doubt for the sake of this thought process.

He has recently become friends with Shagun. Who is a beautiful woman, one that he loved once. And she is carrying his child that he's so blind about. That makes it 3 reasons.

When he sees her in that black saree, he remembers that she's still beautiful. He compliments her without thinking. Because in his mind, she's not the most beautiful woman anymore. She's just another good looking woman whom he knows for the last 12 years.

The ice cream date belongs to the baby. As much as the Ruhi school function belonged to the baby. To keep the woman who's carrying his miracle child happy and secure, because he feels obligated to her, when in reality, its her redemption and not his obligation, but never mind.

Having said this, I hate him for complimenting her and taking her out on an ice-cream date. I maybe cannot HATE hate him, but I do hate him as much as I can in this case.

Not only because he's doing all this for Shagun, but also because he's perceptive enough to understand she might need all this to keep calm, but because he's so unperceptive to see Ishita's hurt and tears.

I don't know if I made any sense 😕

Originally posted by: -Nidoo-

Kri, this is what I think about his compliment and ice cream date.

For him to become as obsessive about this baby as he has become, he needed to have been insanely in love with Ishita, which he proclaims he is, and I choose to give him the benefit of doubt for the sake of this thought process.

He has recently become friends with Shagun. Who is a beautiful woman, one that he loved once. And she is carrying his child that he's so blind about. That makes it 3 reasons.

When he sees her in that black saree, he remembers that she's still beautiful. He compliments her without thinking. Because in his mind, she's not the most beautiful woman anymore. She's just another good looking woman whom he knows for the last 12 years.

The ice cream date belongs to the baby. As much as the Ruhi school function belonged to the baby. To keep the woman who's carrying his miracle child happy and secure, because he feels obligated to her, when in reality, its her redemption and not his obligation, but never mind.

Having said this, I hate him for complimenting her and taking her out on an ice-cream date. I maybe cannot HATE hate him, but I do hate him as much as I can in this case.

Not only because he's doing all this for Shagun, but also because he's perceptive enough to understand she might need all this to keep calm, but because he's so unperceptive to see Ishita's hurt and tears.

I don't know if I made any sense 😕

Originally posted by: -kri-

Co-incidentally, i convinced my friend by telling the same that he doesn't want to take any chances like what he did with Ishita because for him, its a do or die situation and the same is the reason why he is hiding all this from Ishita. He doesn't want to give her false hopes till pregnancy becomes stable but you know what, the mess they have made is bigger than all this.

Had this been that Lakshmi, will Raman still do all this keeping nagging me? I desperately want to love puttar again. Sorry for bombarding with questions.