Birds And The Bees With Ishita & Shagun - Page 12

Originally posted by: Wings-of-Fire

I kinda agree to your post Aani. But I'd still prefer if the talk didn't come from Shagun. With her monologue after the venom spitting, she made it clear that it was tough love that she was showing which totally ruined the concept of tough love for me. St. Shagun helping abused women was one thing- she trying to push Ishita to be sexually active with Raman is totally on some unworldly level. I'm still having trouble digesting that.

Originally posted by: rpatz

Well said

Raman was always ready to take the next step ,it was only ishita

Who has other priorities other than her husband

For example gifting her bedroom,mummy ji ya ruhi will come ,there were always excuses from ishita and in all this what can Raman do?

Originally posted by: -kri-

I am good Aani. Hope things are good at your end.

Yes, Shagun will always be there till the end. So, i have convinced myself but surrogacy... No yaar... I really really believe that cv's won't kill their baby to bring Ishra's baby into the soap.

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

No problem Reshma

You may be right in what you have inferred here about his holi statement but does Ishita feel the same way, have they talked about what he meant at length? It could also be inferred by her that if Adi had never came home Raman would never touch her isnt it?

You gotta talk it clearly with your partner because its not necessary that they understand where you are coming from just by hearing you. And Raman has never tried to initiate intimacy after the second incident perhaps because that guilt still resonates within him, but to Ishita it could also seem like if he didnt want those papers he wouldnt have done what he did that night too...so basically he wants to come close to me only when kids are involved - Adi is home, Ruhi has to be swapped, lets have a baby...not for me as a woman

Originally posted by: mreshma

Ok, let us consider that Raman's baby talk with Ishita before having done IT is a wrong from his side...But then when was she shown to be disappointed or insecure by it...what was stopping Ishita from opening up to him if at all she feared about the least chances to have a baby, when he was so openly talking to her about the very matter? ...Was she intending to take everything to extreme and then spill her insecurities, rather than nip it in the bud and save herself, Raman, Ruhi and others from a possible heartbreak when their hopes perish...Each n every time Raman had a baby talk she was just smiling n blushing and with Ruhi expressing the same wish she was instantly ready to meet a doctor...So, the Cv's themselves was unsure of Ishita's reaction to baby talks and never made her look feeling insecure...

And yesterday all of a sudden the cv's made Ishita say some awful dialogues to the doc and the next moment she gets hurt with Shagun's words and assume that Raman was never interested in her as a woman...That is why I still say yesterday's episode was disappointing because of insensible and untimely execution...Untimely because even 50% of Ishita's reactions yesterday was long due and would have been acceptable at several earlier occasions...

Originally posted by: --mancityfan--

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I again don't agree


It is wrong to say that Raman does not want her as woman or as ishita might believe that


When he threw condoms there was no baby talk


When he had planned a outing when she brought the whole family there was no baby talk

It clears means he wanted her

Ishita first priority always has been others things ever since we have been told they are in love


Both the times Raman has backed away have been solid reasons like chaos in Mumbai or his supposed imaginary illness

I also find it disappointing

That when Raman first said there are chances of baby she refused saying she was happy

But agreed to see doctor on Ruhi insistence

Ramsn I guess perhaps gave up thinking ishita is not ready

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

The fact that she hasnt talked to him is also a factor they have this flunk right? MU and lack of communication is the root of so many problems in real life too

And I dont know when she intended to talk

The fact that they had Ruhi in the middle of this is really not sitting well with me too, but then I cant change it...as for what made Ishita visit a doctor after that, perhaps because she thought she could get an opinion herself - since Raman made the effort via his friend and so did Ruhi now, who knows? I wish we had some monologues on their thoughts sometimes

As I said what could she have told the doc is the reason for the delay between them - talk about Shagun, Adi, Param or everyone else so she just said something ambigious

You may find the episode disappointing and I am not asking you to change the opinion you have but I liked it and thats mine

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

feel free to disagree Vyas like I said I am stating my POV here not asking people to change theirs for me or imposing mine on them

And when he threw condoms there was no talk let alone baby one - she felt the chemist sent it and once the MU was cleared they couldnt move on because shit hit fan thanks to Mihika and her mission Shagun ko bachao

When he asked her for the outing she didnt know where he stands and so asked the family to come along, she didnt know it until later he wanted to go alone with her and by then it was already too late

You may find Ishita having priorities I dont feel the same Vyas and I am not changing my stance on it thats for sure

I think Raman gave up after the second time because the guilt still lingers as to Ishita seeing the doc after Ruhi' insistence perhaps she wanted to get an opinion herself seeing that Raman and Ruhi are doing their bit, he asked a friend even Ruhi went to a doc for her, she could at least meet up once with the doc to see things for herself