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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: nividances

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Hey Gan! I've been a silent reader of the topics on this forum for the past few days because I've honestly been trying to see if someone could possibly shed some light on what's going on in this show right now. I've read posts bashing Raman and Toshi ji, posts explaining Raman's perspective, posts claiming that Ishita deserves the treatment she's getting, posts relating this track to the Mani track, posts wanting Adi to die, etc. I just read them and didn't bother to comment because I didn't know how to word my frustrations and pen them down coherently. But reading your post today, I couldn't help myself from throwing my somewhat composed thoughts out into the discussion as well.

Raman was my FAVORITE character on the show because he was REAL; he showed flaws but he also showed growth. When Adi first came into the Bhalla house, I loved Raman's stance about his son. Adi would have to accept the bitter reality of his parent's divorce and move on with the fact that Ishita is the most important part of his father's life now. When Raman expressed multiple times how much he loved Ishita, I couldn't believe that we were actually seeing some true character growth in an Indian TV serial, but I was overjoyed about this. Even when Raman yelled at Ishita and said some pretty unforgettable and nasty things to her in his anger, I could understand his perspective as a father who had just started building a delicate relationship with his son after so many years, only to have his hopes shattered again. Oftentimes when we are angry, we say the first thing that comes to our mind and we lose all capacity to judge how bitter those words actually are. Usually when we are angry, we lose awareness for what we are saying, when and where we are saying it, and how we might sound to others. I was even able to half-digest his ignorance at the true reason behind Ishita's anger and inability to appropriately apologize to her because a lot of times husbands just don't get it and they try to smooth things over or sweep things under the carpet by acting like things are all normal right after a big fight (words of my mom). Up until that point, I was still able to watch Raman while cringing at his behavior and dialogues, but without feeling like I was banging my head against a wall.

The point where I could no longer justify his actions even a tiny bit started from when Ishita clearly expressed why she was upset with him, and the words just didn't reach his brain. But chalo, even that was maybe just one or two steps backwards for him. Another hit when Adi introduced Ishita as the neighbor, but let's give Raman the benefit of doubt and say that he didn't hear those words. But what in the world could possibly justify his words in today's precap??? I completely lost it after hearing those words because NOTHING, absolutely nothing, can redeem Raman as a husband after this!

It's your first lohri celebration with your wife after your marriage. Okay granted that you two are going through a rough patch and things are not okay between the two of you, but you yourself have countless times expressed just recently how much your wife means to you, both through your words and your actions. Fine, you love your son and are over the moon about the fact that he's finally connecting to you after all these years. But to agree to do the lohri pooja with your ex-wife of 6 years on the mere insistence of your son (who frankly didn't even throw that big of a hissy fit) just because you can't find your wife at that moment and the "mahurat" is passing by? Really? Then on what grounds are you going to proclaim later that you love your wife and give her the "izzat" and "bharosa" that she is asking from you? Are you not behaving like the biggest hypocrite right now by giving your son the same false sense of security and hope about his divorced parents reuniting into a happy family that you reprimanded your wife for after her actions at the New Year party? The level of disappointment and frustration that I felt during today's precap is at an all-time high; I fail to see how Raman can be redeemed now. Why go to such extremes to butcher a character and increase the drama quotient only to have everything be okay in the end within the blink of an eye?

Today it was locking Ishita into a room and insisting his father do the pooja with his mom, but tomorrow Adi will go one step further until he has thrown Ishita out of the house completely. What is it going to take for Raman Bhalla to draw the line of what's acceptable and what's not?

At this point, it doesn't really matter if Adi's true intentions and Shagun's manipulation of her son comes out in front of Raman and the rest of the Bhallas because it wouldn't change the fact that they have been blindly putting Ishita as well as Ruhi down for Adi's sake. They have clearly shown that their loyalty lies with their ghar ka chirag and they don't give two hoots for their daughter-in-law unless she is doing things for them, sacrificing her happiness, or taking care of their every need. Even if Raman is completely unaware of the true intention of Adi's actions, how would knowing the truth change anything? Would it make him love his son any less? I don't think so because the father who can look past his son's earlier criminal acts that have caused his mother-in-law to land up in the hospital and his wife to end up in jail shouldn't have too tough of a time forgiving his son for trying to plot against his wife and throw her out of the house.

I honestly don't see how things can go back to normal (even though I know they will) because every single person in the Bhalla household has blatantly expressed that Adi is the most important person for them and both Ruhi and Ishita come at a far second. Raman can blast his six-year old daughter without a second thought, but he can't put his foot down on his son's most outrageous demands? His son places hundreds of conditions before coming back to him, but his daughter has selflessly loved him for all these years even when he didn't give her a second glance. His daughter even outright proclaimed that her father was her most favorite person in the world, but Raman didn't feel the true value of being a father until his son came back into his life. I don't expect Raman to completely detach himself from Adi, but why completely erase the growth that his character had shown after Amma's accident track and to a large extent the beginning of this track?

Coming to Ishita, I have nothing much to say except that I feel extremely sorry for her. She's going through all this silently just for the sake of her husband and family, who can clearly see but still willingly choose to ignore her plight all for the sake of their so-call ghar ka chirag.

That came out much longer than expected, so sorry for giving you this entire essay. You don't have to read through every word; I just wanted to vent out my frustrations. Thank you for the space Gan!


Nivi beautifully written post. You have vocalized atleast my frustration with the track and especially with the precap very well... The Cv's seem to be going with a one track mind in a multitrack lane.. There were lots of potential to this track.. But they somehow took their audience for granted and put in ridiculos stuff and I really don't blame them.. Aren't we still hoping beyond hope that the track will be fine ? and like I was telling Doc the other day.. I'll be gushing over them before you know it...


But somehow in the conscientious level this track to me just feels callous... In execution, story, the characters and their regression... Especially of the male lead just to justify the end goal. Only wish maybe they can still salvage and make the closure of track worthwhile .

Thanks re.. It's because if the voice of sensitivity and sensibility I find here .. Makes opening a thread the least amount of work .
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Posted: 10 years ago
#92

Originally posted by: vidya.anand

Perfect post yaar!

totally agree to you!

None found it necessary to correct Adi's neighbor introduction. And Choti maa? whose choti ma? and how? what sort of introduction was that? even then none pitched in to save their bahu's dignity and honor!

really ridiculous and torturous!

The only factor I liked was Ishita's silence and dislike she showed in her expressions. really really happy that they didnt show her faking a smile before all.

Precap only proves Raman's inclination. If he can agree to do pooja and pheras with another woman in place of his wife, then that only means that he can do anything to please his son.
Tomorrow Adi wishes to sleep between his mamma and papa, woh bhi karenge...Ishita can sleep with Ruhi! None would object to that wish of his too!

Cvs have conveniently forgotten Shagun's 6 years with Ashok stint during which he was Adi's father. Bhalla chiraag was all set to become Khanna chiraag...the same Adi pushed away his dad...now he tells his mother that she is also his father's wife...dimaag ka kuch hissa kahi gaayab hogaya shaayad...zara doondo yaar!😡



Precap was the one that pushed me into the rant zone..even though I had seen him standing next to Adi and Shagun for the Pooja in the Sbs/sbb my hope was he was probably tricked into it.. For him to actually utter those words just took Raman back to those days where he'd do stuff as reaction to Shagun's button pushing.. Then what was the point of gradual build up of Raman, Ishita's husband... Just ridiculous!

Adi and airhead..
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Posted: 10 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: GanBarunFan


Nivi beautifully written post. You have vocalized atleast my frustration with the track and especially with the precap very well... The Cv's seem to be going with a one track mind in a multitrack lane.. There were lots of potential to this track.. But they somehow took their audience for granted and put in ridiculos stuff and I really don't blame them.. Aren't we still hoping beyond hope that the track will be fine ? and like I was telling Doc the other day.. I'll be gushing over them before you know it...


But somehow in the conscientious level this track to me just feels callous... In execution, story, the characters and their regression... Especially of the male lead just to justify the end goal. Only wish maybe they can still salvage and make the closure of track worthwhile .

Thanks re.. It's because if the voice of sensitivity and sensibility I find here .. Makes opening a thread the least amount of work .


Thank you for having the patience to both read and respond. I typed what came to mind, then felt much better having it all out of my system. I don't know if my curiosity is piqued enough to even watch anymore...I think I may just quit because I have no interest watching something that makes me want to do this.


Or this.


I watch tv for entertainment...to get away from the stresses of my own life. What's the point if it makes me feel angry/depressed? There's plenty of other better things to do. And I always have your collages/threads as an honest reference point to judge when the show is back on track and worth watching again. 😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
#94

Originally posted by: stylish_VJ

I am in a mood to rant , so please indulge me

Jaisa tu chahta hai, waise hoga...main yeh pooja teri mumma ke saat karoonga"

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD what the hell was Raman thinking when he decided to do the Pooja with Shagun? 😡 I would very much like to know what he was thinking. Please somebody just tell me already.

Is Raman so gair-guzra that he too will need Ruhi's wake-up call to make the decision of who it is he has to do the pooja with? So what if Ruhi hadn't created the hungama we know she wll, would Raman have gone ahead and performed the pooja with Shagun? That pooja which he is supposed to do with his wife Ishita? Which rightfully belongs to her?

  • Sabse badi sachayi yeh hai ki Adi ke Maa-Baap talaq-shuda hai..6 saal ho gaye iss baat ko.
  • Adi meri jaan hai, meri kamzori hai lekin yeh baat bhi utna hi sach hai ki Shagun mere liye koi mayne nahi rakhti aur Adi ko yeh baat aaj nahi toh kal maanni hogi.
  • Adi ko iss baat se sehmat bhi hona padega ki uski mummy-papa ek saat nahi ho sakte ab. Usse comfortable hona padega iss sach ke saat. Shagun iss family ka hissa hai lekin sirf uski Maa ki bataur par hai who, USKE PAPA KE PATNI KI NAHI!!!

Where are these words? Vanished into thin air? Has Raman has gone 6 years back in time? Because his actions clearly indicate the same...he seems to think something as life-altering as divorcing Shagun and then again life-altering as marrying Ishita hasn't taken place; that he and Shagun are very much together. How else can one explain him not taking any efforts *rati bhar bhi* to make his first born see the actual truth? But is rather busy misleading the GKC and giving him hopes of a future together with his parents as a couple.

"Shagun, Ishita aur mere beech kabhi nahi aa sakti"

By agreeing to Adi's whims wasn't he clearly allowing Shagun to come between Ishita and himself?

Just minutes before he comes down to the Lohri Function Raman was seen telling to himself after Ishu refuses to accept his half-sincere apology, that he should do something that would make Ishita see that he was truly sorry about what happened, that he trusts her and also so that she can trust your love. And to then go and do this. PATHETIC!!! With every action Raman is letting Ishita down because he is busy playing the majboor baap.

I understand Ishita's silence way better than Raman's hopeless helplessness. If Ishita kept completely quiet then it would have been something else but even in her anger she is communicating with Raman and letting him know of her disappointment in 'short-to the point' sentences.

As much as I want Ishita to scream and fight I get her dilemma she does not want to come in between Papa-beta even unknowingly. Somewhere she fears that she saying anything directly or indirectly will be perceived in the wrong way. So she is keeping away and quiet.

Even today when Adi introduces Ishita as their neighbor which is heard by everybody including Raman nobody takes the effort to correct him. Ishita looks at the Sr. Bhalla's, looks at Raman but they all pass weird looks to one another and then stands with their head bowed down. I agree Ishita could have corrected him, but is there a guarantee that it won't be the next topic of argument? 'Tum ne aisa kyun kaha"... 'Tumne kuch kaha hi kyun?"... 'Tumhari wajah se Adi ghar chod ke gaya" etc etc will fill the walls of Bhalla House. She has bore the brunt of one such incident so why would she want one again? But the Bhalla's or Raman could have easily corrected it, infact they should have; not only because it was wrong but because they owe it to Ishita but as usual they decided to let Adi get away with it.

So again I ask had Ruhi not advocated for Ishita, had she not spoken up would everybody and most importantly Raman stand as mere spectators and played puppet-puppet for Adi's khushi while his wife gets hurt in the process and cries.😭

'Adi ki khushi ke liye' this supposed action was taken. So will Raman do anything for the sake of Adi's happiness? Tomorrow if Adi says for my happiness Marry my mother Shagun' will Raman oblige? Will he jeopardize his and most importantly Ruhi's happiness which resides in her Ishima? To what extent is Raman willing to go for Adi's happiness?

Kuch bhi ho Raman shouldn't have agreed to this EVER. Even if Adi cribs or stays stubborn, even if Toshi Ji ask Raman to listen to Adi's demands...why say more agar Ishu herself asks Raman to do the pooja with Shagun...He should have put his FOOT DOWN and REFUSED. The ultimate decision making power lies within him. A man like Raman who claims to be very much in love with his wife, promises to respect her no matter what should not even contemplate to be a part of something like this. In a way by agreeing to do the pooja with Shagun he disrespected Ishita and her position as his wife, Ruhi's mom and the bahu of the Bhalla House. The guilt trip he takes after this if any, can never nullify what he did in the first place.

There is nothing wrong in wanting Adi's happiness but at what cost? The tears and pain of another person who happens to be his wife; Does she really deserve this 3rd class treatment? Raman knows Ishu is hurt and still goes ahead with Adi's khushi than consoling his wife...This is pure abandoning in a way.

Is Raman such a pathetic irresponsible dad that he is fueling his son's delusions to keep him happy? Was this not the almost exact same reason that Raman shouted at Ishita (HNY Drama). Then why is he now turning complacent? WHAT CHANGED?

Shagun's game plan is crystal clear, she is using Adi to show to Ishita that the latter is an outsider and that she aka Shagun even if ex-wife is very much a part of Raman's life because she is the mother of Raman's son. And knowingly and unknowingly Raman is playing from Team Shagun. Raman has witnessed firsthand the games Shagun can play. He was a victim of her lies and betrayals and still not making an attempt to connect the dots. Highly Unrealistic!

Raman is failing everybody Ishu, Ruhi, Adi and Himself!!! Utho Raman...Rise...and prove that you are indeed a good person, a loving-responsible father for your kids and a great husband for Ishita.

The CV's need to stop destroying Raman's character beyond redemption!

Rant Over!!!!


"'Adi ki khushi ke liye' this supposed action was taken. So will Raman do anything for the sake of Adi's happiness? Tomorrow if Adi says for my happiness Marry my mother Shagun' will Raman oblige? Will he jeopardize his and most importantly Ruhi's happiness which resides in her Ishima? To what extent is Raman willing to go for Adi's happiness?"


Good question .. Something all of us would like to know.. To how far doe this majboori go..? Is he ready to jeopardize his own happiness, love , Ishita's and Ruhi's happiness to get the acceptance from his son. Because frankly the way it stands now Adi-Shagun is a package ... And his Ruhi's jaan is in Ishima.. These two sides can co-habit under civil or legal rules.. It's upto him to man up and make the decision before someone else does it for him. Relationships are fragile and can only be pushed out until a limit and then it snaps .. The ball is in Raman's court now
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: nividances


Thank you for having the patience to both read and respond. I typed what came to mind, then felt much better having it all out of my system. I don't know if my curiosity is piqued enough to even watch anymore...I think I may just quit because I have no interest watching something that makes me want to do this.


Or this.


I watch tv for entertainment...to get away from the stresses of my own life. What's the point if it makes me feel angry/depressed? There's plenty of other better things to do. And I always have your collages/threads as an honest reference point to judge when the show is back on track and worth watching again. 😊


Read Doc'd post as a different perspective
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshi21

Wow. You said everything.

One more thing that I found avsolutely illogical was Raman's "toh aur kya chahiye" when ishita refuses to accept his sorry.

Nothing of raman's behavior makes sense. HOW CAN HE SAY YES TO POOJA? I ALWAYS THOUGHT HE WOULD AGREE TO DO POOJA CAUSE OF HIS MAJBOORI and not by ACCEPTING it like this!

I wanted to throttle aditya today. He is no more a kid. He is delinquent. Moron. And a jackass.


when he was acting stubborn raman should have had slapped him and said MY WIFE is missing.

I am disappointed it will take RUHI'S interferance for raman and other bhallas to actually do the right thing.


I DO NOT WANT ISHITA TO FORGIVE RAMAN. BAS.

I felt nauseous after watching the episode. So much nonsense.


Trps girne ke baad bhi akkal nahi aayi cvs ko? God.


Aditya needs to go. Away. Forever. And ever. To australia or US or wherever. I dont care.

HE IS 12 YEARS OLD WITH CRIMINAL TENDENCIES FOR GOD'S SAKE. NOT A FREAKING HEART PATIENT.




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So true .. They treat him like if he hears 'no' from anyone he'd perish.. Hadd ho Gaya 😡
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SurrealFantasy

Of course it is not Gan.

Because Ishita gave away her earrings to Shagun.

And she also said "I Love You" to Mani.

Didn't you know? Ishita is the one solely responsible for this mess? And she deserves to be burnt in the Lohri fire? Because she has caused extreme disappointment to the Bhallas by getting their son home?

How can it be wrong when it's done by the male lead of the show? How can it?


Because I dig sarcasm 😈




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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: maaloo

Agree with every word that you said Gan.. Everything about this track is wrong.. Initially we all thought that it was a track to show how good Ishita is and how she wins over Adi too.. and he accepts her as Ishi-ma

But the track has been more about how bad the Bhallas' are.. how they all failed Ishita.. every one of them and Shagun introducing Ishita as Adi's choti-ma😡

Nayi soch .. anyone?!!? I am ashamed to think that the story-writer who is a female is writing out this crap!!! WOW!!! Women have made great strides!!!

And Raman really saying ki bhagwan kya piece banaya? Really? Did he just say that? Even after Ishita told him what was wrong.. he thought it was A-ok?

I may eat my words later, but right now the way I feel, i dont even want to see Ishra Romance because it just leaves a dirty taste in the mouth.. because what's love when there is no respect..


P.S. Thanks Gan for opening up a thread to rant..


@bold exactly my frustration. Producers are women... The writer and screenplay( I think it's Ritu something) by women .. And the channel claims to be flag bearer of 'nayi soch' .. Then how did those regressive parts air ? My reaction today was more from a woman's pov... It's just degrading to see an educated, self-reliant woman being put thrugh such crap in order to maintain the house peace or happiness. Regressive thoughts at its worst😡
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Badtameez_Dil

By Any chance Is cv's trying to showcase that

Men Cant keep Any Promises &Cant Stay On There words :/

with i have my own set of complaints from the show which I mostly kept like this is a show...lately there many sequences where Raman ws shown nt keep on the words or say dialogues on the show...i ignored mostly those...Like when Ashok-suraj molested..& he said will nt leave them... though i have my set of complaint for Ishu's char also...
but when today before getting ready Raman he needs to do something to make Ishu happy again...
after few hrs those words r in thin air...
Im trying to think Is that the case Its hard to keep on words u say promises u make...they r eventually broken or circumstances make them nt to fulfill..

ahh well Its ekta's drama with tagline i in back of my mind know this all is drama which make no sense only to stretch it out...they want to stretch in all this shagun stay in Bhalla house...
at cost of ruining interesting char & something which could be shown better taste


I blame the inconsistencies on the editing team.. And the Trp driven script.. They start with some sketch and based on the Trp or Chanel pressure change the script. They needed to have all the Shagun marraige drama which could not have been possible if the make lead avenged his wife's dishonor. Weddings and functions draw big trp crowds.. So Ishita was fine in still going through attending the wedding .. And let's see what RKB does to live upto his promise of making biwi happy. Chances are less.. But still😆
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: GanBarunFan

On the question of the phrase 'haq' this was in my mind for being the post tilte before the precap happened. Today after Adu divulged his plans of trapping Ishita in the room so that Shagun gets to do Pooja with them ... Shagun's dialogue was something in the line ' Mera beta Adi .. Mujhe mera haq dilwayega' .. Kostin is what haq does a divorcee expects from her ex.. I know Raman gives alimony and child support to her.. What other right does she want? Sleeping with a Raman ? 😲

#airhead #dumbbimbo


Shagun HAS to be the most dumb, delusional and conniving woman ever! She doesn't care for Raman or the Bhallas-introduce her to a bachelor who is wealthier than Raman & she will drop all her shenanigans in a second! The only reason she is making Raman her victim is she has leverage in the form of Adi-warna I doubt she would have ever left Ashok's side. All this natak would have been going on with Ashok & Mihika right now!!! I am actually wondering why she let go of Ashok so easily-damn the kid-more reasons to despise him-lol

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