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Anu

@-HoneyDukes-

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Posted: 10 years ago

#111

The discussions here are so sensible and awesome 😃

Good to see a sensible thread..

Edited by -IshRaDivAn- - 10 years ago

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Shimla Akkineni

@Shimla532

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Posted: 10 years ago

#112

Agreed. IsHita should NT be blamed. Childhood friend wats the big deal if she shares with. Raman won't give importance to her.

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gravshrav23

@gravshrav23

Dazzler

Posted: 10 years ago

#113

Originally posted by: Asclepius
I disagree!
just my pov!

Coming to ishita hw she was potrayed.. A very understanding person..understands everyone pov!

Let it be simmi.. She understood simmi loves param.. So she brought param back

Then shagun.. She sympathises with shagun.. She feels that it was a hard decision for shagun to leave raman.. Ishita feels shagun doesn't deserve someone like ashok..

Then sanjana.. She understood her pain...she believed whatever she said n got angry on raman..,even though it was just a trap!

She understood there is some tension between adi n ashok.. Without adi uttering a,word

During dna track She heard him saying ruhi not his daughter under same condition wen he ws not in his senses but then she joined the dots n she realised what ws bothering him! Such a understanding lady doesn't understands her own husband... apparently she is in love with him!!

Now same ishita thinks her husband blabbering something as he is drunk?!
Does it look realistic?!
It will only look realistic if we just forget whatever shown before!

Its not abt showing character certificate! One should not see a husband wife relationship from a feminist view ! It's abt caring n understanding partners feeling!

Now bracelet scene .. raman reaction was totally apt to that situation! Later he realised he reacted too much he was guilty...

Ishita had same reaction wen Subramanyam brought necklace which was ordered by raman she got angry ki raman didnt select it.. Then wen mihir told her she was guilty!

Then green dress.. Wen raman bought it her first question to ruhi was did anyone help u in selecting the dress!
She also has many insecurities!

Raman never stopped her from wearing western dress.. Actually he only brought such dresses! She never used to wear such dresses earlier!

Analyse mani ishita!

Raman never stopped her from meeting or talking to mani...even though he has insecurities he kept it to himself!
The reason she hid things to raman doesn't make sense!
Involving mani in husbands family matter that too without telling this to own husband again very unrealistic!

Storing his name as manisha..
Wen she is right why hiding business then?! This looked very immature behaviour!

Then calling mani for every family matter!
This whole track looks so unrealistic ...n maximum of ishita part!

Now coming to raman..
He always knew ishita insecurities regarding shagun n he never tried to enjoy her insecurities in the name of jealousy!

Whenever shagun tried to insult ishita raman was always their to support her!
Whenever she was hurt becoz of him he was guilty! He tried to make it up!

Anyday raman understands ishita more...he feels her pain..
He trusts her more! Wen she started lying n things he wittnesed anyone will doubt his wife.. If such things were witnessed by ishita even she would hv felt same!
Just Sonali kotnis name was enough to hurt her one day!

Then sanjana! Hw much she pissed off with raman that day!

N yesterday one speech was enough for ishita!

Raman just took shagun name she was shattered..although he insulted shagun but ishita felt still somewhere shagun effects him.. N mere that thought killed her..,

But what she has been doing with mani these many day!s n ignoring raman n hw much raman has suffered becoz of mani..

Wen she gets so much effected by shagun then she should realise hw much raman must be suffering becoz of mani...

Coming to giving attention raman has given much more than ishita
raman he wants to take a step forward he has given many hints

He learned hw to tie sari this shows that he considers her as his wife or else He could hv told mihikha to help ishita

Then wen bed broke he could hv slept anywhere on floor but he came slept near ishita

Then he told her yaadon ka kya hai phir ban jaayengi tumhari meri

Then he planned picnic he wanted to take only ishita not even ruhi!

Putting up a nameplate!

Then kkhh moment!
Keeping fast for kc
N many more

There not a single thing planned by only ishita just for raman..toh kisi ko pata kaise chale..

Ishita loves him but never understood him! she never showed that raman holds a special place in her life n she wants to move forward with him..

It was always ruhi ke liye or family ke liye for ishita.. Never sirf raman ke liye!

I TAKE A BOW!! AMAZING..AND BANG ON!!

Yes! At the risk of getting bashed by other members here, I wanna make a point that it is NOT about a WOMAN having to give a character certificate to her husband...its not even about a MAN doing the same..its about the delicate, fragile relationship marriage is and how even a thin last straw can make the bridge collapse..

Some people here have taken it the feminist way and said "why cant a married woman have male friends and go and meet them, talk to them."

I agree. Why cant she? Just coz she is married? Nah. Even a married man can.

But we are talking here of BOUNDARIES. Here, we are trying to overlook something very pertinent..that Ishita, from the day MANI has arrived on the scene, has hardly spent any time with Raman...not even a proper conversation...is seen so chirpy, flirty and OTT in MANI's presence, her friendship is not wrong per se, which even Raman has accepted..but the LIES she has concocted in the way of her frndship that is raising concerns in his mind

but will you accept a friendship that borders on lying to your spouse and saving your friend's name as something else? Even playfully joke around that you should leave your spouse and child and come to your best friend?Involving your best friend in matters of the house, WITHOUT informing family members?

Here, its being shown a MAN has a problem with his wife's excessive interaction with her male bestie.

But I ask you, are WOMEN here, or anywhere, ready to accept their husbands casually flirting around with their female besties, hanging out with them all the time, talking/chatting/messaging, involving them in their personal matters?? Are they okay with their husbands taking their female bestie's help for every conceivable prob on earth and solving it, Sherlock-Holmes style, just coz the husband is doing great things for her?? are women ready to say its ok, my husband is pure and chaste and his intentions are good, no matter what? Will the "NO MATTER WHAT" not raise doubts in a woman's mind? Especially, since women are deemed to be more of the jealous and possessive sort. Will circumstances not give rise to insecurities in the wife??

Raman here IS the more sensitive one...coz he knows the pain and not even ONCE has tried to make Ishita jealous when it comes to Shagun. So what'sthis new line of thought Ishita took to get a confirmation that Raman loves her? And now that he HAS acted the way she wanted him to, why all this pativrata drama? So is it that we women want to have the cake and eat it too?

Some members here said that if a man does the same, a woman cant object coz this is india we live in. I dont mean to offend anyone, but it IS india which is WHY we women can raise concerning regarding such behaviour of our partners. And I dont ascribe to those abla-nari theories, and I fimly believe even a WOMAN has the right to question and suspect her HUSBAND, if he behaves this way. So if the tables are turned, then ISHITA would also have had the right to question and doubt RAMAN is the same kind of circumstances are presented before her...the raman bashing during the accident track is testimony to that..

FEMINISM has nothing to do with this..its all about boundaries, communication, trust..and here both parties are at fault..Ishita more so, coz she is simply not attuned to her husband's behaviour while acting like a know-it-all for evrybody else!!

There's a very beautiful speech given by Emma Watson a few days back...on gender equality

where she says gender equality is also an issue for MEN.

quoted verbatim:

"Both men and women should feel free to be sensitive. Both men and women should feel free to be strong."

So why are we alienating men in this scenario? Dont men have the rights to be vulnerable and sensitive to their wives' behaviour just like women have always had the right to be so when it comes to their husbands? Raman has never ever impinged on her activities, no matter what ways Ishita goes about it. But does he not have the right to suspect those lies his wife has cast over his eyes (irrespective of her intentions) these few days, given the circumstances? Does he not have the right to question her feelings for him, when she is conveniently ignoring the numerous hints and feels she does not have to explain herself at all? Didnt he try and mend things during the accident track? So why is feminism taking a long-winded note of this and spoiling their relationship?

Am a lawyer, and before I got married, my mother just told me one thing - " You have a habit or arguing over matters of right or wrong. But in marriage, there is more than just right and/or wrong. There are grey areas, everything is not always logical, everything is not always based on bookish theories. In real life, to make a relationship, and more so, a marriage work, you need to trust your intuition, your instincts, use the heart more than the mind. A mind will say tons of things to do and will reduce your relationships to dust. But only mutual love and understanding, compassion can make a marriage work in the long run. Coz when you're in it together for the long haul; forgiveness, understanding your partner's concerns, ambitions, ways of expression everything has to be taken into account by both the parties. Sometimes being too right and upfront can actually destroy a relationship."

And there's another friend who said "When you decide to marry someone, understand how he was as a child or pick the most recent event that has transformed him majorly..and then you'll know how to handle things (if ever they arise) and how to go about the marriage."

SO YEAH, I CAN SEE RAMAN UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE DID WRONG (IN LAST EPISODE)..BUT I DONT SEE ISHITA SEEING HER SIDE OF THE FAULT.

Edited by gravity23 - 10 years ago

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Apparently

@Apparently

Inactive

Posted: 10 years ago

#114

If Ishita is not required to give a "character certificate," then neither should Raman. If Ishita can "assume" that Raman is still in love with Shagun, then why can't Raman assume that Ishita loves Mani? She has given him plenty of reasons to think so (the many examples of this OTT friendship have been mentioned already).

Regarding the point about men and women being "friends only," I think Mani and Ishita themselves have squashed the concept of a platonic friendship between two people of opposite gender. Mani openly flirts with Ishita and tells her that he is/was "in love" with her and would have gladly accepted her into his life as a partner after Subbu's exit. Then we see them flirting again with Mani proposing marriage to her. Even if we ignore the most recent interaction between the two as harmless flirting, there have been plenty of instances where Mani has seriously expressed his attraction towards Ishita and Raman has been a witness to this. So yes a man and woman can be "friends only" but In the Ishita-Mani situation, this is clearly not the case as one of them has been shown to be attracted to the other in a romantic manner.

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Colt.Pixy

@Colt.Pixy

Trailblazer

+ 5

Posted: 10 years ago

#115

well said anu and akangsha.

if she is not supposed to give character certificate , same goes for raman. why he should clarify her that he does not love shagun ?

if raman is supposed to confront for his doubts , same goes for ishita to ask for his relations with shagun.

If raman has declared his verdict against them based on a one-sided theory, her justification would hold any weight for them then same goes for Ishita. even if raman will yell out his lungs she will still think raman loves shagun. but still she gets free pass for everything. and every time only raman has to redeem ?

Why raman will clarity when she has already said " you love shagun " ?

To enjoy husband's jealousy is standing beside right?

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BombayTroll

@BombayTroll

Achiever

+ 5

Posted: 10 years ago

#116

Awesome posts

Aakansha and asc

Agree with you

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Dharanija

@Dharanija

Voyager

Posted: 10 years ago

#117

@gravity23 Superb post!

Yes raman behaviour was obnoxious yesterday! But he raised few questions which were required! He saw her more comfortable with mani

Im a pediatrician in govt hospital.. I've night duties n ve to stay in hospital late nights! Ive many guy friends...they help me whenever I needed.. . it doesn't mean that i'l discuss my family problems with them...n ignore my family!
even though I,spend so much tym with them. ..but still ishita mani friendship out of my understanding! Its abt setting priorities!

Ishita never realises mistakes!

She can always walk out of relationship if she is not happy!
But whatever she is doing now is wrong! Not realising her mistake is more grave mistake!

Edited by Asclepius - 10 years ago

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BombayTroll

@BombayTroll

Achiever

+ 5

Posted: 10 years ago

#118

I would rather say cvs should throw away completely whatever they are smoking

I don't agree with you at all

I also don't condone Raman aggressive behaviour and that was pathetic

But I also must add ishita too is responsible for this mess

Why should Raman insecurity be alone blamed for this

I understand ishita has no such romantic feelings for mani

But there are limits to friendship

I have friends and many unmarried and married female friends

But I am not on phone 24-7 with them

I don't meet them everyday

I don't interfere in someone personal matters

Even if we can excuse ishita and mani for that

You don't hide real names under different names and male friends under female name

No sane individual can see there is a good intention behind that

I also don't understand ishita involving mani even in family problems

Now if Raman was drunk yesterday

She could have called Bala mihir or papaji

She didn't ever bother informing senior bhallas about Romi accident

Now who would tolerate that

And worst part is

Even If we assume that she can't think she is being accused of infidelity

But she should atleast analyse why he is suddenly behaving abnormally

Till two three days he was perfect

She can't even decipher properly

She talks of trust

But does she trusts ramsn

She still thinks he is in love with Shagun

And she even believed instantly sanjana when she told her Raman ruined her life

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Juhi

@JUHI.HI

Rocker

+ 4

Posted: 10 years ago

#119

i just logged into IF to rply to ur post kri :P..lol.. i noe i m crazy bt i badly wanted to rply here :P😆

okay coming to my point.. first of all a big thank u to u fr making dis post kri...🤗n second of all i really appreciate ur stnd.. *HATS off*👏

hmm kri..well i dont appreciate the CVs..well i feel dis track cud hv been handled in more mature n sensible way..bt Cvs failed to shw dat maturity..one side thy r shwin insecure raman (though its nt raman's fault) n d othr side thy r shwin dumb ishita... 😕😕 pata nhi CVs sabeet ky karna chatein hain isse 😕

hmm..So here my rply vil b based on imaginin dat ishu is the most dumbmest person on dis earth n cnt undrstnd d hints raman is giving her..

wat i feel was ishu ws nt at all in fault in yestrdy's epi..though ppl r vry angry at her..bt ishu reacted vry normal,,i ws indeed happiee seeing d precap.. though at d strt of dis track it ws kind of expected (frm my side) dat CVs wud shw sumthin lyk dis (yest drunk wala scene)..bt if v see d whole stuff frm our POV, v vil definitely hate ishu..wat v need to do is to get in the shoes to ISHITA- a woman who has been dumped several tyms, who has been publically let down by her hubby... ishu ws already shattered n in pain whn al dis happen.. she dint get tym to evn think or analyse wat n why dis happened wid her.. she has nw perceived dat raman still loves SHAGUN.. she (ishu) matters nthing to him(raman).. she enters her room in dis state of mind...n thn her hubby gets physical wid her(though i LOVED the scene n i do undrstnd raman's POV bt here i m oly spkin abt ishu's POV) evn though raman wud hv taken mani's name while taunting here dat tym..one can argue here dat y dint ishu den realise dat raman is upset bcz of mani-ishu closeness..well dis isnt possible, bcz dat tym she was trapped in a room wid a man who ws tryin to go physical wid her (rather frm her POV, MOLEST her)...oly thing dat ws running in ishu's mind dat tym ws hw to get out of the room n save her dignity..if raman wud hav tried to brigde this gap out of love den ishu wudnt hv reacted d same way..bt nw he is a man who doesnt love her n is still tryin to go physical wid her, so in dis case it is obvious fr any person to step aback n react the way ishu reacted

one thing i really lyked was whn ishu got the news of romi's accident...she went running to raman..frgettin wat had just happened wid her..dis is bcz raman is her support system..she frgot dat dat just nw misbehaved wid her..oly whn she is abt to enter in d room n sees raman, she is reminded of the present..this shows that she still feels fr him n her love fr raman is unconditional (bt nt at an expense of her dignity)👏👏 so she steeped aback..she called mani, bcz d family members wudnt he supprtive to her, considering sarika was wid romi

well abt the PRECAP...hmm.. frankly spkin kri i really loved d precap..ishu kitna sahegi?? she doesnt evn noe fr wat she is getting punishment (CONSIDERING DUMB ISHITA)😛...aftr wat happened wid her yesterdy, she is completely shattered n heart broken n dats y she chose a defensive mode..nw though there isnt anythin betwn her n mani, she(ishu) wudnt hesitate to tell raman dat she loves mani n mani is more important to her dan him(raman)..well i dont blame her fr dis..dis is just her defensive mode n any person in her place wud do dat 😊

lastly, kri i dnt hav any prob wid ishu hugging mani..i noe ishu has done a lot fr raman n his family.. one can argue dat raman too has done a lot fr ishu..bt one cant deny d fact dat ishu's sacrifice fr raman n his family wil always outweigh raman's sacrifies..ishu has done a lot fr him (well i noe its wrng to comare ones sacrifice..bt i felt is ws necessary to point out 😛) bt wat i dont side is dat ishu must realise dat things nvr remain d same aftr marriage..esp fr a girl (nw one can argue y fr a girl..agar issko samjhane lag gyi toh ye post kabhi khatam nhi hoga..lol 😆) relationship, friendship n evrthin gets a new definition post marriage esp fr girls,..pehle hug karti thi toh theek tha..theek h evn if u hug nw also (post marriage)..par "ILU" bolna?? yeh theek nhi tha.. one must draw a line between frnd n hubby.. though ishu ka ILU frndly tha, par any1 cud hv mistaken it..nt oly raman..here ishu is at fault..

bt ya raman is also at fault sum way bcz he shud hv atleast confronted her instead to just imaginig things n taking it publicly (esp in front of SHAGUN😡😭)

toh i m neutral here...😆😉 I FEEL HERE..BOTH ISHRA ARE AT FAULT..THEIR BIGGEST PROB BEING COMMUNICATIN GAP... jab tak yeh communicatn gap nhi hategi tab tak kuch nhi ho sakta😕

PS: bas i m done wid my raman kahani😆 ho sake toh pls padd lena..ignore mat karne :P😆😉

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sang3241

@sang3241

Explorer

+ 2

Posted: 10 years ago

#120

I disagree,,,
First of all, reminds you of rain day before marriage, Ishita told RKB i never lie..During accident track, when Raman accused her of lying abt Shagun fotos, she was hurt beyond limits, After giving fotos, she said i will never lie,, both these happened in front of Raman, the same Ishita lied to Raman about a phone call , It was Mnanis call she said emergency from Clinic,, First seed of doubt. Is this same Ishita who lied to Raman about bala adi tuitions but couldnt control herself and blurted the truth.Her reason is valid, Raman already gave up a postion so when he came to know abiut, he may give up, correct bt can u jestify the lying?
Okay coming to Precap, I too agree with you Ishita deosnt have to charector certificate.She is pure from heart, she is correct, she never deviated from her marriage so she doesnt have to feel guilty,, In reality, you dont have to prove to anybody if you are good and right at heart same for Ishita too,,, she is not stopping her friendship with Mani because of Raman, veri good,, but who is Raman? He is not ordinary person who accused her for the same friendship,Its her husband okay forget he is her daughter father, they are parents, so As you have justified Ishitas reaction, only one question Is her friendship with Mani is more important than her relation with Raman? Sorry I am not using Husband wife equation here.. just consider Raman as Ruhi papa.. if he questions her relation, okay forget about reply, is her beahviour to stop Mani is correct?

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