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Posted: 10 years ago
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I know what i am going to face for making this topic here but for the first time, this episode and forum's reaction is making me do this...Feel free to disagree with me but please refrain from bashing... That's a request.
People amuse me at times... All of us went against Raman during Parmeet fiasco because Raman didn't take a stand against his family for Ishita, Today, Raman is doing that mistake by assuming stuff on his own but here, Ishita is taking a stand... But, we are blaming this brave woman... Why are we practicing double standards?


What was Ishita's fault? She lied to him... That was a mistake which can be rectified... Raman didn't confront her...isn't that his mistake? If women can't respect woman, why to blame the makers? For the first time, they are showing something new... Ishita took the right step...She stressed on the fact that she won't give any character certificate to him... Where did she go wrong?

Ishita becomes a pativrata when she goes out of her comfort zone by wearing western dresses to please Raman but she's not supposed to hug Mani because she's a Tamilian. Tamilian don't wear such bold costumes too... I said that Ishita came out of her comfort zone because the same girl was uncomfortable with a sleeveless chudidhar in Sharvu's thread ceremony.

Ishita let Mani hold her hands... She was talking with him in that party held in her husband's honour... Was that Ishita's fault? Had Raman given her the attention which she requires, why will some random friend of hers sit with her to give her company...

But for Raman's past, will this seed of doubt torment Raman now? Ishita is bearing the brunt...for Raman's past... She's crying...for loving him. Is that right?

Both of them have their own flaws which is making them special... After this journey of 10 months, they are still there... Ishita Iyer and Raman Kumar Bhalla... untouched... Shedding their layers one by one... I'm in awe... The way they dealt with this uncalled disaster...

These people deserve accolades...but here we are, bashing them... I'm disappointed...

Again, i have expressed my opinion and i apologise to those who find my language offending... Please express your opinion and control your urge of bashing me or others...

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely post Kri 👏

I genuinely see no reason why Ishita should be blamed and ask for forgiveness. Married women do have best guy friends. And here theirs is already an unconventional marriage. Ishita is so clueless because she has no reason to understand Raman is doubting her. Unless Raman says it on her face that I caught your lies (white lies) and saw you say Ilu to Mani, I don't think Ishita has some telepathic power to understand his issues.

Ishita was shown an independent bold lady from the beginning... she told her In laws about Param.. But then Raman couldn't side her. But here Raman doesn't even confront her. He need to say it in clear words for her to get it.

On the first doubt when he throws the bracelet, she cries, she tells him, am not a liar. And she gives him a silent treatment but he comes asking for forgiveness, to the extent of faking his accident. Now when a person will ask to be forgiven, it's understood that he realised his mistake and doesn't doubt her anymore right?


"Ishita becomes a pativrata when she goes out of her comfort zone by wearing western dresses to please Raman but she's not supposed to hug Mani because she's a Tamilian."

^^ I love this one Kri 👍🏼

It's not about Mani here, it's about Raman's insecurity. Had it been any other handsome guy he would react similarly. He was 'jealous' even of Bala. He goes out to buy a necklace just to put him in the top of her -to be admire/loved- list. He wants to prove that he can be the number one. So it's really not Ishita here.

"Both of them have their own flaws which is making them special... After this journey of 10 months, they are still there... Ishita Iyer and Raman Kumar Bhalla... untouched... Shedding their layers one by one... I'm in awe... The way they dealt with this uncalled disaster..."

True yaar, today's epi was about them both. Just love the writers for this beautiful and intense epi 😳.


Thanks for this post,a much needed one 😳

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi! Kri,
Weve crossed paths on the LU thread. Great to see your topic, thanks for asking for feedback.

I unfortunately DONT agree that the CVs deserve to be complimented. I witness serious inconsistency in both Raman and Ishita's characters. Most of it has occured in the last month or so. From the day she brought Param home, once upon a time she said to him "door hato mere raaste se" and there she was out and about in the middle of the night chatting/bringing him home...and that was followed by bringing Shagun home... that was a HUGE FLAW😲 He expressed in many many ways that he didnt care for Mani. She noted some, giggled like a teenager, blew it off, responded to some expression of irritation, gushed to Mani saying "I am loving him get jealous"

He goes one step ahead and stages an accident, she threw an incredible fit accusing him about trust and faith and credence... retuns home dresses up for Karwa CHauth forgets it all... lies about Mani's phone call, records his name under a woman's on her contact list, and meets him secretly...
TWO DAYS ago when they all get ready to go hunt for Raman she notices fear in Romi's eyes and signals him everything will be OK and signals him again to go inside

THIS ISHITA WAS CLULESS ABOUT RAMAN'S displeasure for a MONTH?😲


HOW will you justify it? Its like robbing a bank and claiming to donate the loot to charity😲
How can any wife in her right mind think "Oh! my husband needs to heal, THIS is EXACTLY the prescription for it?"

He fasted for her, he scolded her for thinking about fasting, he ensured she ate every two hours, he stayed up in the hospital when her Mom met with the wreck... he gave up his position for her... and today he forced himself on her.😲

All the baby steps they took from February until October have all been washed away by the huge gaping holes in the plot.

I DONT see or FEEL the remorse she feels... it was not weighty or intense when she brought Param home or when she brought Shagun home... we DONT see her TROUBLED... speechless... starving... pained... because she hurt him... she walks away like she dusted off a fly...


In order to justify the blatant carelessness she has displayed the last three weeks of IGNORING his discomfort, of being UNMINDFUL of his hurt, irritation and jealousy... because SHE CHOSE to be uncaring, they MADE HIM assault her.


HUGE FATAL BLOW to Raman's character... THIS is the guy that hit Romi and drew blood once upon a time, upon hearing he misbehaved with Mihika. HOW can I justify him forcing himself on Ishita Kri?

I am JUST UNABLE TO😲

He never forced himself on Shagun, she actually CHEATED on him, but because he was given HINTS he actually assaults Ishita? Ridiculous...
It JUST does not add up... I am an accountant, things have to add up for me... there are huge gaping holes in the story today... holes they dug up in order to fill previously dug holes.

How can Raman convince her that he will not go off the edge again?
What justification can Ishita give me that she will not lie again to him?

Hugely disappointed... Enormous inconsistencies in writing and plot and character building (more like character destruction now).
NOW It seems like ANYTHING is OK to make ISHRA fall in LOVE.
In Delhi they frequently talk about the "chalta hai" attitude... YHM is on a "chalta hai koi gall nahi" track now... as long as they ultimately fall in love, we will SOMEHOW justify every idiosyncratic twist?


I apologize for the delay in responding Kri... had to take my lil one to the corn maze... as Halloween is around the corner😃






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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely post Kri.. 👏👏👏

Frankly I have been appalled at the outrage on both the characters over the last few days.. I'm gonna let myself write slightly more than a few words today! I hope you don't mind..😳

Raman is a man who wouldn't even bother saying thank you to a neighbour unless pointed out.

Ishita is a woman who would even say sorry to a kid if it means avoiding a problem!

Raman is an impulsive man who wouldn't think twice before getting an old couple arrested without looking beyond the top layer of a problem

Ishita is a sorted calm woman who would always think through how her actions could/would bear result before doing something! (She did think and know what would happen even when she brought Shagun home)

Raman and Ishita stand for what is right but their ways are always different. They are poles apart in nature and yet they are very similar in thought!

Raman is insecure. Of his past, of himself. He can't tolerate being compared to another man. Even if that man happens to be her jeeju. He was irked then - when he was yet to realise his feelings for her. He was irked when he thought she wasn't over her past. Then too he hadn't realised his feelings! But he was upset at the thought. But he braved his fears and asked - He asked her if she was happy in the marriage! And he was happy when she told him she had left her past behind!

Ishita is not confident. Of herself, her past. She can't believe she can be loved unconditionally. She can't tolerate the one man hopeful of giving her that love giving importance to anyone else (Shagun is already a big permanent name she's having to live with). He described a girl of his dreams one day. She was irked then - when she was yet to realise her feelings. She was irked again when someone from the past came up and claimed to have been in a relationship. But she didn't ask even then. She cried silently. But he asked again - if she was insecure of her position being taken. She refutes it outright and says she has no doubts about her position with a big smile!

Fast forward a little.. Now they both know how much the other means to them! But their insecurities are intact and so they are yet to muster courage to confront each other and confess.

Enter Mani. Have things changed? NO

She still cares for him, she loves him. He still cares for her, he loves her. And their insecurities intact.

But one thing has changed! What would irk earlier now hurts and hurts deeply! Raman can never tolerate another man's closeness to his wife - that is understandable. And hence the jealousy was fun to watch.

One more thing has changed! EXPECTATIONS! What was non-existent earlier is now there at every step! He expected her to buy him a gift but when he thought it wasn't for him, he exploded. She expected him to trust her and when she thought he didn't she exploded. But now is when it got interesting.. He expected her to be honest with him and when he thought she was lying and hiding he didn't as much as even ask, forget exploding!!

I want to pause here. So yes, Ishita lied.. And it's a BIG mistake agreed - but didn't she lie just a couple of day back when she told him the gift was for Mani? Of course he didn't think it was a lie I understand but he still asked when he felt she was lying while she gave him the gift right? So far, Raman has ALWAYS been upfront in asking her whenever he felt she was hiding something! What stopped him from asking her then n there why she lied now? Instead HE chose to assume! And assumptions can only break never make!

Now from Ishita's point of view.. She has been doing everything right.. She loves her family, does everything for them even at the cost of her health, loves her husband and has gone an extra mile in doing things for him more than once in the past. She now has a friend she can share her troubles with to ensure good for her husband! Why in the right frame of mind like that would a woman EVER suspect her husband of suspecting her???? And she knows he Raman - She even tells her friend that "Raman aise hi hain.. jo bhi dil mein aaya who bol dete hain par bauhat ache hain!" She expects him to ask upfront if anything is troubling him like he always has.. But this time he did NOT!! Cos he was convinced with his assumptions!

Suspicion is a seed that only grows if not uprooted in the beginning. And Raman let his suspicion grow without ever bothering to find out the truth from her! I completely agree and know of his attempt to talk to her but even then in the end he did only draw conclusions based on a half heard conversation!

Now coming to yesterday's episode.. Raman spoke of HAQ. He wanted to show Ishita how to use her right as a wife.. May I ask why this same Raman did NOT use his HAQ as a husband and barge into the conversation between Ishita and mani and ask her upfront WTH she was saying? He could have used his HAQ at anytime.. a) The minute he knew she was lying, b) when he knew Manisha was Mani, c) When Shagun told him about spotting them out somewhere.. But did he?? NO, he chose to drown himself in alcohol along with his well-built insecurities of the past and strong assumptions!

YES Ishita is guilty of lying and unknowingly causing him hurt but whatever she did had a reason that too for his good. But whatever Raman has been doing - he is doing so knowingly and with full intent to do so! Therein lays the difference and the hypocrisy!

If Ishita's mistake was big, his mistake is 10 fold huge! And yesterday he just made an epic blunder of historic proportions! Nothing - absolutely NOTHING can give even a husband any right to force himself even on his wife! He had a problem, he should have asked, yelled, screamed done whatever! But yesterday he tried to hurt the self-respect of a woman! And by his own words - a woman who has taken care of his family and him through tough times.

I have been a RKB fan more often than not cos I believe him to be more closer to reality as a character than Ishita.. But yesterday Ishita was so right! So real! NO woman should ever tolerate such nonsense from any man. Not even her husband. That she was pushing the very man she loves away from her because he was trying to do something without her consent is just the best part of the episode. And kudos to the creatives for showing such a mature scene!!! Even the right man can be wrong sometimes and even the calm woman can erupt sometimes!!!

Absolutely brilliant track and track management. The lighting and the dialogues were just so apt and the acting just made the entire scene that much more powerful. 👏


Love

Bhuvana

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Thank you...
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I agree and I disagree too..Its good that they showed Ishita strong not wanting to give a character certification..But if they are showing tomorrow that Ishita is doing this knowingly to make Raman realize than it will make me again question Ishita's original characteristics..Ishita is a giver and always ready to bring people out of their problems..Here if she knows that Raman's problem is her and Mani than this is not the way to make him realize..I am not supporting Raman's behaviour and his doubts but it is clear that he is broken..she saw him in tears shattered today and Ishita is not so hard..she has one of the softest heart and Raman does not need any character certificate..all he needs is her assurance that she is his..If she would be in character she would have comforted him..Raman though rude and wrong in his doubts, is very much in character..all his pain is shielded behind his anger and harsh words..he is again and again questioning Ishita and all he needs is her answer that he is wrong..Instead he is getting cold looks, harsh words and ignorance..when all he wants is her love!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thank you for this sensible post Kri..
The forum has literally gone mad today.. 😆

I don't understand why the blame game is being played when both have gone wrong in places leading up to this intense track...
It always amuses me to see the double standards..

Its simple logic, the more it builds up, the more intense their confession will be as well.Yes, its frustrating but well. patience is the key, I am getting frustrated too but well I know in the end, this is all for them to finally be one in all senses..So I guess a little bit of frustration wont harm me ;)

People really need to relax cz tomorrow when the end to this track comes, no one is even going to remember how the end came.

Once again, thanks for this post.. :D


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Kri a biggg hug for this Post. Seriously . I wonder why a woman is seen only and only from her man's eyes and not from her view.

I will just give my rant in 30 minutes.
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Beautiful and very thoughtful post Kri!! You know as the epi ended and then the precap I was thinking I shouldnt visit the forum today based on my previous exp with the forum😆 I always read the LU thread which is very refreshing and gives a entire different dimension towards the episode!! I have the same opinion as you and I dont mind if others have different either😛 The one line which you said being women I believe most of us are here. How cannot we think in Ishita's position? The fact which really disturbs me is when people say they cannot relate to Ishita's character. I loved her today and in the precap too. She need not justify anyone. If Raman is assuming things thats because of his insecurities. He should have known Ishita by now. She never had mood swings like him and has always voiced her opinion be it right or wrong, Why cant Raman just come and talk to her? Why people always expect Ishita to understand him no matter what he does? Were people be happy if Ishita had surrendered herself seeing such state of her husband? If that had happened, then I would have called her Mahan. Now this Ishita is the real women with whom I can connect, I am really not accusing Raman here. Yes he has gone through a lot and going through now also. But that doesnt make Ishita insensitive and a bad wife here. She has changed many of her ways for him and she will do it in future too!! But I am sure people will never stop accusing or abusing her!! No matter what for me Ishita is the best female lead currently on TV!!

Brilliant writing by CVs with the characterization!! Hats off to DT and KP for portraying in such a way that reaches us!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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In this whole drama, both Ishu and Raman are right and wrong.

When Raman was suffering seeing Ishu's ILU and all the MU, I was kind of annoyed with Ishu with her jaap about Mani and her closeness for Mani. A lie a lie. Agree it can be rectified. But, it got out of control. One lie led to another and went on to create such a big mess. But, Ishu at that time had no clue what Raman had seen or heard. That was the only thing I felt sad for her. She didn't know why Raman was acting so wierd.


There was a certain amount of trust that Raman too wanted from Ishu, what was it that Ishu was hiding from him ? If the confrontation had happened before the party all would be well but alas, Raman made a mistake in his anger.


Today, Raman went overboard with all that he said in the darkness of the night. I did read in the LU thread where Ruby said something about Raman wanting to mark her as HIS. 👏 After reading that line from Ruby, that scene made lot of sense to me. Yes, he said he would Jatao his husband rights on her if she didnt claim her wife rights on him.. That for me was powerful and totally loved it. It meant a whole lot. 👏


Am loving Ishu's stand though from the precap. Yes, she lied and said ILU to Mani but her expectations of wanting her husband to trust her is completely justified. All that Raman said she was complete right to be miffed with him.

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