Love & Parenthood - IshRa - Page 5

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Originally posted by: ran2012

Brilliant and beautiful post Aani. You know I remembered your last SS, when Ishita asked Raman to respect Shagun the mother of Adi & Ruhi. In one part you had mentioned why to hate Shagun while she is Raman's past!! I loved the conversation between Ishu and Raman. It was more of parents talking about their kids rather a just a mere couple. You have beautifully explained how their kids are going to make them fall in love😊

I also liked the way how you connected Subbu and Shagun!!

I loved the last paragraph with which you have concluded the post!! Eagerly waiting to see this in the show!

Originally posted by: Shanig123

Aani Great Post ..for me The conversation they had was the BEST moment for me in YHM . because it opened the door to many . I can relate to what you wrote in your post because I am a mother . Children are a blessing from God and just because you give birth you do not carry a tag which states " I am the best Mother " a mother how can i even sum it up it is hard . The one who feeds one who teaches from right to wrong one who holds you when you cry and the list goes on.. .. ..What Ishita said was really true she said Screaming and anger is also an emotion are you sure that Shagun is only Adi's mother ? then Raman realized ...

Respect to the writers of the show .. this blew me off .

One that I want to point out also is Adi's conversation with Bala it dawned on me that This child is in so much pain ..he is missing the best part of his childhood life . he is only been taught hatred jealousy envy anger ..what kind of mother is Shagun ? I was in tears when i saw that precap ..he has all the material things around him but NO LOVE ...no one to care no one to play ..

Originally posted by: pomegranate

CV's are getting ready to unravel ishita bit by bit, I can't wait! hopefully subbu will come back soon.

BTW, aani I have just noticed that your first siggy contains lyrics from "awari." that is such a gorgeous song, can't get over how beautiful the lyrics are. EK villain's album is amazing, ekta should use some songs from there for this show. tired of the same old title song.

Originally posted by: always_a_TV_fan

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Hey Aani

I was wondering where you were during the episodes when there were so many posts discussing 'the' conversations 😉 I was too tied up to make my own post too. But I did express some views on other people's posts. And I can now see that I was very close to your analysis too 😃 (except for the Junoon part! That was after I made my comments)

Hey Lucky I got lazy like I mentioned but the conversation did give me goosebumps it was sooo beautiful I cant get over it even now

So, I am being real lazy now 😛 and copying my comments from other another post. and hope you havent read them before, so it will feel new to you. If you have already read them, then you already know I agree with whatever you said 😊

Sorry was too lazy to even surf much, especially since most topics were so -ve post the epi, I didnt wanna be bummed out and let them affect my mood so thanks for posting your earlier comments lucky 😃

My response to a Post Shivu made in defence of Raman's comments and then Ishita's mahaanta when she asked him to treat Shagun with courtesy >>

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I dont like it that I am terribly short of time. I would have loved to write a Ramayan (correction- Mahabharat) reply for this one. Anyway, I'll try to express what I have to say as succinctly as possible

Shivu... need I say ? apt post... I havent read the 5 pages of comments, but I am sure your post sparked a healthy debate.

Now, my take on the first half of yesterday's epi was:

I saw a father being manipulated (very cleverly) by the mother of his child. I saw a father reminded of the happy moments he'd shared with the mother of his first-born. I saw a father feeling guilty for not paying enough attention to renew contract which was something he had smartly 'invested' in a long time ago.

Yep that was what was happening a father being played and not even realizing it that his ex-wife once again was fooling him, the love of his son blinding him to the tricks of the woman he knows so well

I saw the mother manipulating the father of her children to trap him into a web of guilt, shame and regret. I saw a mother using a child as a pawn to fulfill her narcissistic tendencies. I saw a regretful woman not letting a man move on, only because she hasn't been able to.

the above statement I agree every bit and @bold - yep sometimes it does seem Shagun really is sorry somewhere for letting go of a man like Raman esp since he is being everything she wanted in a man - suave, stylish, successful and he practically adored her, sometimes it seems she regrets for not pushing him enough in the right way else she would have had it all today and esp since Ishita came in the regret has multiplied many fold, since now all the doors to her return have been closed, I think somewhere she counted on Raman to take her back the day things go wrong with her and Ashok but with his marriage and one where she sees him becoming more and more involved with Ishita and even her family now, she knows that is impossible now.

I saw a woman not being sure of her place in a man's life. I saw a woman who heard a conversation between a former couple. I saw a woman see that former couple reminisce the happy moments in their life and immediate feel the pain of her emptiness. I saw a woman who knew she couldn't participate in that kind of happiness with that man, irrespective of her 'adopting' his children.

@italic - Lucky you are my soul sis 🤗 seriously thats what I felt was Ishita' stance too, she suddenly came face to face with a brutal truth - that even though she may love Ruhi with all her heart and make his family hers, do the best she could by him and his people, she cannot be the mother of his children ever - not biologically - and that one thing would always make sure she is left out, she would perhaps be a fixture in his life... but does her position have a prominence or will it ever? Or would she always be the woman he was forced to wed, and is now bound to stay with

So, long story short, I was completely void of any negativity when the episode finished. I did not see anything that I had objection to. I said this is another post, but Shagun was so good yesterday that I even felt sorry for her for a minute.

LOL except being sorry for Shagun part my exact sentiments

Everything Raman said and did was in the context of being a father. At least that's what I took away from the episode. Everything Ishita said and did was in the context of her being a caring woman, a woman who is more a mother than Shagun will ever be. What is there to hate?

exactly I don't get the hate, how can a man forget he is a father even if he remarries and when a woman like Ishita is in question why is there so much hate for her supporting Raman regarding Adi, hasn't she accepted Ruhi? Didn't she marry Raman KNOWING he is a father of two.. so whats the hate about?

Ishita and Raman are frankly 2 broken souls. They need to heal. Whether they love each other or not is neither here nor there. They are 2 broken people put together into a triage room with all the equipment to fix their wounds. How they pick up the various medicines and apply them on each other is what this story is all about. So, again, whats there to hate?

Oh I love how you have put this, exactly you know these two arent falling in love because they are attractive people who live together who know there is a spark, a magnetism between them... they are people who have been so badly wounded they are scared to trust again, but in learning to rely upon each other they are healing themselves and each other in the process and that is what makes them beautiful together, that they are becoming soul mates rather than lovers.. a more magnanimous term


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What I added on Vyas' Rajma Idli post on Friday >>

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I am a happy person today. Ishita & Raman's relationship was at the forefront of most of the episode! And all of it was handled with a mature, heart-felt conversation. It was so surreal that I had to keep craning my neck towards the TV to get a better hearing angle! I couldn't believe the conversation was that perfect. And by perfect I mean it wasnt rosy at all, it was quite realistic.

@bold - agree, not all things in life can be sweet or perfect - things are bittersweet, and once you stop viewing the world through rose tinted glasses you realize there are thorns too and that is what happened here

Who'd have thought that Adi's important date would circle back to the discussion about Ishita's infertility. Nicely done indeed! "You know I could never give you that happiness, and if you were looking for that, why did you marry me Raman?" My God, that line even made me choke up. That issue is the crux of this show, and it was handled excellently today.

I know! it was so unexpected that they would connect the dots like this and I swear I choked up too when she asked him this, it made me want to hug her, she has been rejected so many times that even now, she has that deep seated fear of rejection despite being married and she cannot bring it in herself to trust that any man would want her willingly because she is infertile.

And the way Ishita steered that conversation around to how she wanted to be a part of everything related to Ruhi (she included Ruhi's brother and Ruhi's father very cleverly into the conversation, smart woman!). I dont think Raman could believe his luck, and I believe his tear represented gratitude, relief, respect, admiration for the woman sitting in front of him.

yep, he was so visibly moved - the moment she said he forgot the date, he expected a rebuke of sorts and hence had that angry stare he never expected her support and understanding and that is what defeated him, as is said only love can defeat hate.. he began hating woman because the mother of his kids couldnt stay back with him even for her little girl and this woman' love for his kids defeats him so completely

Although Shagun wanted to put a dent in Ishita and Raman's relationship, most of what she said was in fact true. The concern from Raman, his guilt was genuine. I would have been disappointed if either of them were flippant about this issue!

yep, thats what makes the whole thing so awesome somehow

Circling back to that conversation, I think it was quite sensitively handled. I only said yesterday, that Shagun has so much potential and they should start using her more than just a 'bimbo' with failed plans. Her 'act' in front of Raman today was done quite well. Even I believed for a minute that she was actually hurt because she thought her son was being ignored by his father! And honestly, I didnt mind that Raman thanked and apologised to SHagun. Her guilt trip was that good!



Shagun actually has a lot of potential and i think she would be used to the max when she is kicked to the curb by Ashok so dont worry on that count 😆
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Finally Aani, your post is perfect. and the last paragraph touched me 👏! Seriously, I hadn't thought of it that way at all.

Thanks Lucky 🤗

And a quote for you about how Ishita seems to have finally, successfully, gently broken the barriers he had put up for everyone 😊

"The brick walls are there for a reason. The brick walls are not there to keep us out. The brick walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. Because the brick walls are there to stop the people who don't want it badly enough. They're there to stop the other people." - Randy Pausch, The Last Lecture


thank you once again, 😃

Originally posted by: EkPaheli

Shagun actually has a lot of potential and i think she would be used to the max when she is kicked to the curb by Ashok so dont worry on that count 😆
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Originally posted by: pomegranate

you really think so, aani?

after seeing shagun's insanity in the last couple of episodes, it looks like she will kick ashok to the curb once she accepts that 1)he does not care about her 2) considers her a personal pleasure toy 4) will never marry her 4) cheats on her and 5) raman is the sensible, long-term option for her. I mean, for how long will she stay as ashok's girlfriend? she is beginning to get tired of his obsession with raman.

objectively speaking, Shagun benefits the most from returning to raman, it is a win-win situation for her. they were once married, the kids will get both their biological parents back, and shagun can reclaim her status as a wife while still having a lavish lifestyle.