Originally posted by: kiransgirl
I will give a trigger alert; my opinions will not be supported by many people here. Rabid fans can stay away but those who are thinking about the show, seriously, can join in.
1) How do we define a rabid fan?
In my very personal opinion I would only use that term for someone who is like stalking a celebrity and doing all sorts of weird things like cursing at people who may not like the same person etc. As far as I have experienced- there are no people here cursing or stalking anyone that we know of. Unless you have alternate information with proof, i would refrain from using an animal comparison to refer to fans of the show (?!?)
2) Rabid fan of what/whom should stay away?
Be more specific about whom you'd like to stay away from your post- rabid fans of whom and what?
3) The only people 'thinking about the show seriously' are the cast crew and colors. the rest are viewers who may obsess over it a bit and then will move on. we don't get paid to think about it so its not a due to the show. so lets not make it sound like some merit to be the fan thinking about the show seriously. if any of you are, i hope you are being paid for it at least.
About a month ago, I wrote a post stating that Fateh was characterless. I haven't revisited it but I am sure there was a lot of bashing of that opinion, as at the time, most readers here had stars in their eyes about Fateh marrying Tejo and there is rabid hatred for Jasmine.
4) If you have not revisited the post then based on what are you accusing people of 'bashing' your opinion? Just because they may have 'rabid' hatred for Jasmine and liked Fateh with Tejo that does not equate to bashing you because you called Fateh characterless. One should refrain from animal comparisons at all times- especially when not based on any evidential proof.
I will take this time to simply appreciate the fact that I was right.
5) I am totally onboard with the self-appreciation, not because I assumed I was bashed at all but because I also predicted that Fateh will be the unintentional villain in this space. But generally you gloat to offend people. if that is the intention then I suppose you wouldn't mind if people took their gloves off here?
Fateh is spineless and characterless. He did not consider the ramifications of marrying someone else when he loved another. To make matters worse, he has now conjugated his marriage {:x} and apparently is embarking on an affair with the person whom he is obsessed/loved. Truthfully, he is not wrong, somewhat. The heart wants what it wants. You can't just reason with it. So he wants Jasmine; he has been honest about this from day one.
6) We were so close to agreeing till @bold. We have all been given a brain to reason with. fateh i assume is thus just as able to use those triggers to control his impulses unless we were shown some neurological deficiency? not uncommon amongst boxers at all. there is no such thing as heart wants what it wants. if that was a thing then i would go steal a 2 lakh ka designer bag rn cos my heart wants it although my wallet cannot afford it, the guy next door would pick up a girl from the streets without her consent cos his heart wants her and my kids would beat up the child who took one of their lego pieces because their heart wants revenge. just because you feel an impulse or an emotion does not mean the lee way to act on it. if you cannot control your impulses then you will have to face punishments and thats that. no sympathy.
7) I will give it to you- he was honest in day one. but how honest has he been since they got married? How honest was he when he was always hugging and touching tejo in front of jasmine and being affectionate in front of her family? how honest was he when he doesn't tell her that jasmine's wedding makes him sad? how honest is he when he is in the mood to romance tejo? in the beginning of the wedding- his suffering was clear as day and he was vocal but then he was happy and seemingly ok and stopped vocalising his love led trauma. for sure- not telling is not lying but its not being truthful either. and currently he is having an affair and NOT telling his wife. that is not being HONEST about it. the only person he is honest to about wanting jasmine still- is jasmine. and that too he is not honest with her about his marital relationships with tejo. he's not honest to anyone.
What is wrong is consummating his marriage, when he is unsure and embarking on an affair. In these two areas, he is wrong. I would recommend that the writers strongly stay true to the script: he loves Jasmine but will remain married to Tejo, because she is his wife and best friend. Maybe, towards the end of the show, they can do a leap, in about 20 years, where Tejo dies and he gets to be with Jasmine, the one he loves. He may be characterless but he does deserve some happiness.
8) He is already 'being' with jasmine or do you mean sexually here? and why would a 20 year old girl need to die at 40 for fateh and jas to be together? surely their pure love can survive till the end of tejo's natural life?
9) i understand you believe he deserves happiness despite of being characterless? why? is it because you believe everyone deserves happiness? in that case, why is tejo so exempt from everyone? why does she, according to you, deserve a short life and being stuck in an unhappy relationship which are the opposite of happiness? you call her insufferable (a personal opinion) and sneaky (not as big a crime as say- cheating on your spouse which is an actual legal crime) which are both not as bad a being characterless. so why does she deserve the least amount of happiness? this attitude infers a very personal bias here. not what i would call NEUTRAL or even SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL.
Now, Tejo. This character is insufferable and sneaky.
10) She is insufferable to you. That does not mean anything to anyone else watching. its an opinion and a feeling you get so please lets not use that adjective as a generalization as if you represent every or even the norms of viewer's opinions. perhaps a more accurate phrase here would be: I find her to be insufferable and sneaky. I add the sneaky part here because there is absolutely no evidence (no side logues, evil self talks, 'main fateh ko pa k rahungi' (sounds familiar?) type talks nor anything else to suggest she is 'sneaky' other than your own perceptions and readings of situations that have happened in the story. thats bias and NOT SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL
She is NO victim. She knows exactly what she is doing. This woman knowingly and happily had $eX with the man SHE knows her sister loves. Digest that. She knew she was coming between Jasmine and Fateh. Yes, she is now married to him but did he get amnesia? Did she think conjugating a marriage will be enough to forget one's love. I mean she is brainless and we are supposed to believe she is a professor. lol. IF it were so easy to get over love then everyone who entered into an arranged marriage would just consummate it and then those feelings would evaporate. The truth is there are MANY people who get married and conduct affairs with the one the used to love and could not marry. It's not acceptable but the writers are, in fact, showing a reality that does occur in India. We don't have to approve of it and I most certainly don't. It happens. For me, Tejo lost ANY rooting value or credibility when she decided to have relatons with the man she knows her sister loves (forget his feelings for Jasmine).
11) I personally would not care even if she had s*x with her lawfully wedded husband, just because she wanted to, even if she knew her sister loved him. cos by our laws and society standards- she's stuck with him. even if her sister loves him- she can't have him. so why should she keep her marriage stale and stagnant just cos her sister is supposedly in love here? and if jasmine is forever in love with fateh then should she forever just be in a s*xless marriage? the answer to me is no. BUT thats a PERSONAL opinion. Lets talk on a more general basis- why are you assuming that she knows her sister is in love with fateh? do people in love with someone pretend to get drunk and upset at being rejected by someone else? do they propose to others? do they constantly tell people how much they like another person? no usually not. then based on what would tejo know she is having s*x with the man her sister loves? Jasmine and fateh have been both clear about moving on so why is it tejo's responsibility to take care of their feelings? both are adults no?
12) As for the cheating- i actually 100% agree with you that its very realistic and should be portrayed as is. But what you are doing here, in addition to providing subliminal support for the cheating, is called victim shaming. it would be more respectable to say that its ok to pursue your wants and let go of someone you don't love and let them move on. instead what you are doing here is blaming the victim of a legal crime using your personal opinion rather than evidence. its no different than those mother in laws who gas light their daughter in law for her son being a cheater. lets not forget- fateh and jasmine are committing a crime against tejo, who so far has not committed one against them. so any attempt at drawing a tit for tat equivalency here is extremely futile. When you have a personal opinion contrary to any base in evidence- thats bias and NOT SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL
I have always assessed Tejo on her relations with her sister. I have found her to be disloyal and sneaky. In fact, perhaps, even envious. What drives Tejo's actions: easy. She loves Fateh. In fact, there may have been truth to Jasmine's claim that Tejo wanted Fateh and secretly lusted or loved him, before the marriage.
13) Firstly why would you judge a character with several relationship roles in the serial based on one relationship? why does she owe her sister more loyalty love or anything when she is also a sister to 3 other brothers, daughter to her parents, grand daughter to her grandma and etc. she doesn't owe jasmine anything.
14) the lust and love thing is just again gas lighting- there is no evidence for any of that assumption. you haven't 'found her' to be anything. finding implies there was something to be uncovered- facts. not assumptions. you've assumed her to be a certain way based on personal feelings. these are two different things. latter is totally fine cos to each their own. but this strictly makes you NOT SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL and refutes the very basis of your topic.
She certainly fell quickly, didn't she? Yeah ok. IF she can happily have $ex with the man her sister loves, even after such a short period, she gets exactly what she deserves. She can cry a river but she is sneaky and characterless as well. The only way to redeem her is to make her vengeful and angry. It will help her insufferable "saintly" portrayal and who knows? It might actually make her attractive to Fateh. Make her evil. Make her vengeful. Stop the saint crap. She is no saint and would make a great villain.
15) Why does she need to be redeemed for sleeping with her lawfully wedded husband? and how would being vengeful redeem her? even if we were to go by your evidence-less theory that she intentionally came between fateh and jasmine and is sneaky and all that- ok. but how would being angry redeem that act? the meaning of redemption is to fix your mistake. so by that theory surely if she left them to be together that would be redemption? why do you insist on her being a villain? would that help undo fateh's crime of the extra marital affair? why the expectation of tejo ruining her peace to cleanse fateh and jasmine of their crimes (again legal crimes)? That shows clear bias and not SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL. you want one character to be punished for the crimes of another.
16) the premise of your entire vilification of tejo seems to be on the basis of she having sex with her husband. did she do the act herself or with coercion? not as far as i remember. so why is the integrity of fateh's love for jasmine her responsibility? is fateh not an adult? you seem to place VERY uneven blame of the act (that i dont even understand why its a blame to start with) on tejo whilst you just mention it as a side note on your analysis of fateh. that infers a truly skewed bias towards fateh over tejo. sooo... again definitely NOT SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL.
Now Jasmine. Characterless as well. There can be no redeeming any character that knowingly engages in an affair with her sister's husband. This is a choice. It will change everything about the character. She needs to move on. She can pine for Fateh but do the right thing. Be a good friend or move. Then in 20 years after Tejo dies she gets to be with the man she loves. Embarking on an affair, especially if a child will be involved barbecue we all know Tejo will get preggers, is no acceptable. The writers need to remain true to Jasmine and have her be the love of Fateh's life but have Tejo be the wife. That too happens regularly in arranged marriages.
17) Firstly, does she need to move on or wait for tejo's natural life to end to be with fateh? cos thats not the same thing. and why should she pine for fateh forever? i thought everyone deserved happiness? or is that exclusive to just men who cheat? the women in their lives should be pining and miserable but the man deserves happiness once he is 60-70? is that the theory we are going with?
18) as for everything WILL change- well given that she IS currently having an affair with her sister's husband, so i guess the choice is done already right? so she is not redeemable anymore? so what exactly should the writers be true to? again you barely wrote anything about jasmine who left her supposed love for a visa and is currently cheating on her sister. so are you not judging jasmine by the same standard of relationship with sister as you do tejo or those standards only apply to tejo? this is literally the definition of bias so again NOT SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL.
I stopped watching the show when I thought it was a Fatejo story. They are boring. I find nothing to root for in the two of them. Settling is not a way to write a passionate love story. Anyone with eyes can see the real excitement is with Jasmine and Fateh. Writers should stay true to that scenario
19) Its guess you just gave up on neutrality at the end. lol. you should have just said this and more people would have probably been respectful. none of this was SOMEWHAT NEUTRAL. you were just trying to seem like your opinion was something more reasonable than everyone else who thinks contrarily. if you like jasfah then thats totally ok. just own up and stop trying to gas light people saying you are 'neutral' and they are rabid fans because you disagree. you have your biases and others theirs. this guise of neutrality underestimates everyones intelligence and doesn't hide your own biases.
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