advice to writers from a (somewhat) neutral viewer - Page 2

Originally posted by: sellysona

This post is exactly what I have been thinking of since last few days. I have started watching this show recently and replying on india forum after such a long time.

I feel like all the 3 characters are characterless. And after reading posts of people defending Tejo here I question myself that are this members really from India or understand Indian society. There are countless scenario here where two people in love cannot marry due one reason or another. And it is not that easy to move on. I think this is the first show trying to portray reality. In almost every other show the guy forcibly gets married to a good, meek, saint girl and just forgets his old love. Why? Bcoz his wife is so caring.

Well, this doesn't happen in reality. No matter how caring, sweet, kind, meek, saint( mahan) the wife is, it is not easy to forget love.

I also have a elder sister who is in a relationship. I can't even imagine a scenario where if by any circumstances or any situation I have to be forcibly married to my potential brother in law, I would happily be in love in few weeks. It just feels so disgusting. A person whom you have seen as Your BROTHER in law. Brother being the key word here. How can one easily consummate with him, knowing her sister was in love wth him once ( no matter of thier feelings now). It might take months or even years. Unless ofcourse the girl was always crushing on her Brother in law.

No comments on Fateh or Jasmine because they are already a despicable character. Nothing can justify a man claiming to be in love with one sister and having sex with another. Or a sister who may have been a love with a man but is ready to cheat her sister. The honourable thing would hve been Jasmine accepting her mistake in front of everyone, apologize and then demands annulment of marriage of fateh and tejo, instead of playing games and cheating. It's all right to make mistakes and take decision in anger. We are humans and we all have make decisions in anger and mistakes. But to play games and cheat is just wrong .

I really am enjoying the show as I feel all the 3 are flawed characters and a somewhat realistic but extreme portrayal of people. Because people are selfish in real world too, just not extreme characterless as shown in the show.

In my opinion no one is characterless here. Well they are just making wrong decisions. Jasmine for one made the wrong decision to reject Fateh at wedding mandap, out of which Fateh was forced to marry Tejo. I for one don't judge people harshly, people make mistakes and move on.

And I also believe that just because Fateh loved Jasmine doesn't mean he cannot love Tejo later on. Of course you are not expected to marry someone without flaws but at least not marry someone who will only give you pain.

😆so now ema is justified as " the heart wants what it wants.😆

And Fateh deserve's happiness👏for his happiness tejo needs to die and he will be with his lady love😆.

Where is the love story between jasmine and Fateh.😆i wonder how people are giving 101 reasons to prove jasfa are passionate lovers.

Jasmine and Fateh I don't se any chemistry between them. They are both dumb and egoistic. Anyone with eyes can see the disappointment with jasmine and Fateh. If you call them as passionate ibadat e ishq couple then let me .

🤢jasfa.

Worst character is Jasmine. She is playing Gippy, her family, her own sister just for her obsessions.

Fateh is no less.

All thanks to makers they failed in characterisation of the characters in the show. They are so flawed that no theory makes me to like them.

Neutral viewer😆 it's more like Jasmine's viewer

Originally posted by: QNefertiti

Phulandevi had sex with her husband 😕 granted she does not have a brain to her credit 🤪 she did not force Jassho's lub to sleep with her they consummated their marriage after Jassho proposed Gippy for marriage Ab apne husband ke sath she can't have sex to kya kare wo? He made a move and she being his wife accepted his advances 🤔 marriage is not platonic 😛

I am not defending any one - all of these tri are same.

IMHO - what ever they show in itv... is rarely relatable...

a marriage if it happens by wish or family pressure.... mostly (unless either one have physical problem🤣) consumXXXX in a day or two... real couple don't drag... it two years.... even if they are in love or not... if it was by consent.... what is a big deal in this 2021?

Worst thing is fateh did that with jasso in his mind.... he is still lost in that jasso, that is highly immoral 😡

- tejo did not do any thing disgusting by marrying fateh.... as..... tejo and fateh were friends before.... jasso accepted fateh... hence...no 'BROTHER' - in law feeling she ever had for fateh.... she was considering him as BFF.

Tejo actually felt that Fateh moved on once he initiated consummating their marriage. Which, IMO, is a very valid ground. For whatever reasons, Fateh agreed to marry her and as far as I remember Tejo expected Fateh to try to move on at least. He had given big speeches about how Jasmine would lose him forever , blah, blah, blah, etc. and Tejo was taken aback when Fateh removed his entire frustration and disappointments with her after consenting to marrying her. Fateh initiated the whole 'let's spend a night out', 'my wife', nonsense. Tejo had no reason to disbelieve any of it. Fateh himself was convinced at that point that Jasmine didn't love him but was using him for her ego.

What I didn't like about Tejo was her big talks of patriotism and Ph.D. but the regressive mentality of sacrificing everything for a family who didn't care for her dreams & indirectly her. The Canada ball lie, Tejo didn't stand for herself, Jas fraud marriage, Tejo blamed Jas entirely, not her selfish family which was also responsible. Even at Fateh's marriage, she pressurised Jasmine, instead of giving Fateh a earful for not talking directly to Jasmine. Even after marriage, she shouted at Jasmine for ill treating Fateh but never cared that Jasmine wedding broke too. If it wasn't Fateh's fault , it wasn't Jasmine's either. Infact, Jasmine had been very clear about Canada since day 1. I don't think that ot was because she secretly loved Fateh but rather Tejo has always been arrogant of her intelligence and condescending towards Jasmine's dream. Jasmine explained to Tejo that she wasn't talented or brilliant enough to make it to Canada on her own stream but Tejo didn't want to understand. She told Jasmine off for her Canada dreams but never explained firmly to her family about their Canada madness - instead gave in to Canada Ball and Fraud Jas. Inspite of that, I feel sorry for Tejo now. She didn't deserve to be used by her selfish family time and again, she doesn't deserve to be cheated by her sister and best friend. It's sickening to watch how Jasmine and Fateh are betraying her.

Fateh, no words for him. Olympic dreamer, patriotic to Jasmine blind lover to cheater husband. Never tries to mend his family and Simran's relation. Big talk, no walk. Can't even be a good friend, how will he be a good lover / husband? No value for relationships at all. Selfish to the core.

I agree that FateJo make a boring couple. The energy is really low-key.

Used to like Jasmine first. Lively, clear headed, firm but polite, knew how to deal with her emotionally manipulating family. Loved the strong stand she took on her wedding for her dreams (though she was a little mean). Now, all that seems pointless. She is the most evil character for me , now , because she is betraying her sister and using her very caring fiance. She took a U-turn from Canada to Fateh which wasn't convincing to me. JasFa look really good and natural together, however I really dislike both of them and they are irredeemable in my eyes.

Originally posted by: Euphoria_V

😆so now ema is justified as " the heart wants what it wants.😆

And Fateh deserve's happiness👏for his happiness tejo needs to die and he will be with his lady love😆.

Where is the love story between jasmine and Fateh.😆i wonder how people are giving 101 reasons to prove jasfa are passionate lovers.

Jasmine and Fateh I don't se any chemistry between them. They are both dumb and egoistic. Anyone with eyes can see the disappointment with jasmine and Fateh. If you call them as passionate ibadat e ishq couple then let me .

🤢jasfa.

Worst character is Jasmine. She is playing Gippy, her family, her own sister just for her obsessions.

Fateh is no less.

All thanks to makers they failed in characterisation of the characters in the show. They are so flawed that no theory makes me to like them.

Neutral viewer😆 it's more like Jasmine's viewer

@red-true

@green now i m not liking even tejo's blinded love making her dumb

@i had seen them before but no one is giving them any attention back when jasfa crap started

By no means you seem to be a neutral fan 😳.

On top of that you seem to have some real issue with Tejo 😕

tejo should not have married fateh not because some kind of misplaced loyalty to her sister but because she did not deserved this life with a man obsessed with her sister she should have not give in the demands of a family who never gave two hoots about her who pimped her to a fraud like jas without much thought for their canada dream

about marriage then i dont blame jasmine for rejecting fateh it was his fault and that of their both their fathers jasmine has been very clear from day one about her love for canada fateh knew this he promised her that he would tell her if something goes wrong and still did not so that s on him

but jasmine willingly playing her sister that what i have problem

fateh wants jasmine jasmine wants fateh good for them but if it was jasmine he wanted he should not have slept with tejo that was wrong

least jasfa can do is come clear to tejo let her go she deserves at least that much respect does she not?? after all she is jasmine s sister and fateh s friend

basically tejo is spineless and delusional jasmine is narcisstic and fateh is obsessed psyco stalker lover that udariyaan for you folks

Originally posted by: kiransgirl

I will give a trigger alert; my opinions will not be supported by many people here. Rabid fans can stay away but those who are thinking about the show, seriously, can join in.

About a month ago, I wrote a post stating that Fateh was characterless. I haven't revisited it but I am sure there was a lot of bashing of that opinion, as at the time, most readers here had stars in their eyes about Fateh marrying Tejo and there is rabid hatred for Jasmine. I will take this time to simply appreciate the fact that I was right. Fateh is spineless and characterless. He did not consider the ramifications of marrying someone else when he loved another. To make matters worse, he has now conjugated his marriage {:x} and apparently is embarking on an affair with the person whom he is obsessed/loved. Truthfully, he is not wrong, somewhat. The heart wants what it wants. You can't just reason with it. So he wants Jasmine; he has been honest about this from day one. What is wrong is consummating his marriage, when he is unsure and embarking on an affair. In these two areas, he is wrong. I would recommend that the writers strongly stay true to the script: he loves Jasmine but will remain married to Tejo, because she is his wife and best friend. Maybe, towards the end of the show, they can do a leap, in about 20 years, where Tejo dies and he gets to be with Jasmine, the one he loves. He may be characterless but he does deserve some happiness.

Now, Tejo. This character is insufferable and sneaky. She is NO victim. She knows exactly what she is doing. This woman knowingly and happily had $eX with the man SHE knows her sister loves. Digest that. She knew she was coming between Jasmine and Fateh. Yes, she is now married to him but did he get amnesia? Did she think conjugating a marriage will be enough to forget one's love. I mean she is brainless and we are supposed to believe she is a professor. lol. IF it were so easy to get over love then everyone who entered into an arranged marriage would just consummate it and then those feelings would evaporate. The truth is there are MANY people who get married and conduct affairs with the one the used to love and could not marry. It's not acceptable but the writers are, in fact, showing a reality that does occur in India. We don't have to approve of it and I most certainly don't. It happens. For me, Tejo lost ANY rooting value or credibility when she decided to have relatons with the man she knows her sister loves (forget his feelings for Jasmine). I have always assessed Tejo on her relations with her sister. I have found her to be disloyal and sneaky. In fact, perhaps, even envious. What drives Tejo's actions: easy. She loves Fateh. In fact, there may have been truth to Jasmine's claim that Tejo wanted Fateh and secretly lusted or loved him, before the marriage. She certainly fell quickly, didn't she? Yeah ok. IF she can happily have $ex with the man her sister loves, even after such a short period, she gets exactly what she deserves. She can cry a river but she is sneaky and characterless as well. The only way to redeem her is to make her vengeful and angry. It will help her insufferable "saintly" portrayal and who knows? It might actually make her attractive to Fateh. Make her evil. Make her vengeful. Stop the saint crap. She is no saint and would make a great villain.

Now Jasmine. Characterless as well. There can be no redeeming any character that knowingly engages in an affair with her sister's husband. This is a choice. It will change everything about the character. She needs to move on. She can pine for Fateh but do the right thing. Be a good friend or move. Then in 20 years after Tejo dies she gets to be with the man she loves. Embarking on an affair, especially if a child will be involved barbecue we all know Tejo will get preggers, is no acceptable. The writers need to remain true to Jasmine and have her be the love of Fateh's life but have Tejo be the wife. That too happens regularly in arranged marriages.

I stopped watching the show when I thought it was a Fatejo story. They are boring. I find nothing to root for in the two of them. Settling is not a way to write a passionate love story. Anyone with eyes can see the real excitement is with Jasmine and Fateh. Writers should stay true to that scenario

I have so much to say about various things I find MOST objectionable about this post and also what it reveals about the kind of mindset that prevails today, the I-me-myself mindset but I am extremely busy right now and want to just say one thing.

I think I have eyes and I can't see that the real excitement is with the creep and the spineless confused twerp read Jasmine and Fateh. I see zero excitement there.

What am I even reading... Having consensual sex with your legally wedded (not weeded 😆) spouse that too initiated by him is being characterless. In which world??? In real world it is taking one step ahead in your marriage. It is not Tejo's mistake that Fateh was pretending to be moving on while he was still stuck up with his "eternal love". Jasmeen was talking all about Gippy & Canada infront of her, what was Tejo suppose to do? wait for some divine intervention to have s*x with her hubby..😆

Fateh initiated the intimacy, it was he who wanted s*x that night and Tejo just reciprocated his feelings. If having s*x with your spouse who has a past is being characterless then there would be so many characterless men/women around the world 😆

Tejo is no saint but she is neither evil nor characterless. Tejo never asked Jasmeen to call off the wedding, it was Jasmeen's decision and she has to face it's consequences, whether good or bad. Even if we believe that Tejo had feelings for Fateh before marriage but we have never being shown that she acted upon it as she knew JasFa love each other. Isn't that being a quality of decent human being? She got married cause of the circumstances, being an over emotional person, she took the decision of marrying a fool and now she will also face the consequences of that decision.

As far as Fateh and Jasmeen are concern the less we say is better.

I wont sit on fence and be "Neutral" cause I believe none in this world is neutral or unbiased, the margin may differ but we all have our biases. You have towards JasFa and me towards Tejo.

Originally posted by: kiransgirl

I will give a trigger alert; my opinions will not be supported by many people here. Rabid fans can stay away but those who are thinking about the show, seriously, can join in.

About a month ago, I wrote a post stating that Fateh was characterless. I haven't revisited it but I am sure there was a lot of bashing of that opinion, as at the time, most readers here had stars in their eyes about Fateh marrying Tejo and there is rabid hatred for Jasmine. I will take this time to simply appreciate the fact that I was right. Fateh is spineless and characterless. He did not consider the ramifications of marrying someone else when he loved another. To make matters worse, he has now conjugated his marriage {:x} and apparently is embarking on an affair with the person whom he is obsessed/loved. Truthfully, he is not wrong, somewhat. The heart wants what it wants. You can't just reason with it. So he wants Jasmine; he has been honest about this from day one. What is wrong is consummating his marriage, when he is unsure and embarking on an affair. In these two areas, he is wrong. I would recommend that the writers strongly stay true to the script: he loves Jasmine but will remain married to Tejo, because she is his wife and best friend. Maybe, towards the end of the show, they can do a leap, in about 20 years, where Tejo dies and he gets to be with Jasmine, the one he loves. He may be characterless but he does deserve some happiness.

Now, Tejo. This character is insufferable and sneaky. She is NO victim. She knows exactly what she is doing. This woman knowingly and happily had $eX with the man SHE knows her sister loves. Digest that. She knew she was coming between Jasmine and Fateh. Yes, she is now married to him but did he get amnesia? Did she think conjugating a marriage will be enough to forget one's love. I mean she is brainless and we are supposed to believe she is a professor. lol. IF it were so easy to get over love then everyone who entered into an arranged marriage would just consummate it and then those feelings would evaporate. The truth is there are MANY people who get married and conduct affairs with the one the used to love and could not marry. It's not acceptable but the writers are, in fact, showing a reality that does occur in India. We don't have to approve of it and I most certainly don't. It happens. For me, Tejo lost ANY rooting value or credibility when she decided to have relatons with the man she knows her sister loves (forget his feelings for Jasmine). I have always assessed Tejo on her relations with her sister. I have found her to be disloyal and sneaky. In fact, perhaps, even envious. What drives Tejo's actions: easy. She loves Fateh. In fact, there may have been truth to Jasmine's claim that Tejo wanted Fateh and secretly lusted or loved him, before the marriage. She certainly fell quickly, didn't she? Yeah ok. IF she can happily have $ex with the man her sister loves, even after such a short period, she gets exactly what she deserves. She can cry a river but she is sneaky and characterless as well. The only way to redeem her is to make her vengeful and angry. It will help her insufferable "saintly" portrayal and who knows? It might actually make her attractive to Fateh. Make her evil. Make her vengeful. Stop the saint crap. She is no saint and would make a great villain.

Now Jasmine. Characterless as well. There can be no redeeming any character that knowingly engages in an affair with her sister's husband. This is a choice. It will change everything about the character. She needs to move on. She can pine for Fateh but do the right thing. Be a good friend or move. Then in 20 years after Tejo dies she gets to be with the man she loves. Embarking on an affair, especially if a child will be involved barbecue we all know Tejo will get preggers, is no acceptable. The writers need to remain true to Jasmine and have her be the love of Fateh's life but have Tejo be the wife. That too happens regularly in arranged marriages.

I stopped watching the show when I thought it was a Fatejo story. They are boring. I find nothing to root for in the two of them. Settling is not a way to write a passionate love story. Anyone with eyes can see the real excitement is with Jasmine and Fateh. Writers should stay true to that scenario

Here comes a second one 😆

Anyways. Coming to the point, let me go character wise.

First of congratulations on being right 👏.Characterless according to me is not the right term to describe Fateh. Spineless? Sure. There is clearly a lack of depth and substance to his character. I can blame him for a lot, but saying yes to marry Tejo is not one of them. The man had his 'hearbroken' and was emotionally weak. He was coerced, emotionally blackmailed and manipulated into this marriage. I can't blame him for that. Fateh is human and flawed, he is allowed to get emotionally weak. Now when it comes to consummating his marriage, I think a. it was rushed and b. it was desperate attempt to forget Jasmine which clearly did not work. Cheating is wrong, having an affair is wrong and I do blame Fateh for that. His actions have shown us exactly how shallow and in your words spineless he is. So on that we agree.

Now Tejo. Before we decide if she is a victim or not, it is important to acknowledge and understand her as a character. First off she doesn't know jasmine is obsessed with Fateh. The woman left him at the altar because of a damn visa. That is not called love. Tejo as a person is very loving and selfless, it is a part of her. Though her sacrificing and devi type characteristics are annoying, it is what make her Tejo. She would never even think that her younger sister, that she loves so much would do anything to harm her or hurt her. Therefore, Tejo cannot be blamed for having s** with her husband. Jasmine in her eyes has moved on with Gippy, and Fateh too depicts that he has moved on... so what fault of hers? As to her being a victim I do believe she is one. She is being deceived and used and I do feel sorry for her. I wish she was sharper, I wish she could see through the lies but when I sat back and thought about it... It is in fact very hard in her position to see this deception. Simply because it is so wild, so cunning. The poor woman would never think that two people she loves so much would do that to her. You blame her because she slept with the man her sister loves. But Jasmine doesn't love him, she is obsessed with him and Tejo doesn't know that. Had Jasmine even once on teh wedding day had said to Tejo not to marry Fateh, Tejo wouldn't have. That is how much she loves her sister. Tejo never loved Fateh, Tejo always tried to bring fateh and Jasmine together.

Jasmine and Fateh cannot be redeemed. Rightly said, I have to agree with you on that one.

Purple: Anyone with brains will be able to understand that Jasfa is toxic. Jasmine is psychotic and Fateh...well he is just a pendulum.

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