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Posted: 16 years ago
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Now by saying "
If there is "true love" in the books - it shouldn't just "strike" some readers. You are not "making personal comments about me? Please refrain from doing that................I will try to make it simple now ...These are my thoughts

(i) Bella isn't Perfect
(ii) I never remember Edward calling Bella's friends shallow ....Sry If it is in New Moon ...I have read the WHOLE book only once..
(iii) I don't personally like Jacob's character ...
(iv) I don't think Meyer's books stem from Religion and religion is in NO WAY connected to the books
(v) All those points for ther true love if seen as a whole and the books if read can tell u my point .... Thats just my prespective
(vi0 Abt that rude statement ..I was quite rude ...and IF YOU ARE READING THIS - I never said Bella is LIKE "Woman of today" ...BUT I am advocating that she is not an anti to feminism ....

Thats all .... I know again my points will be contradicted ....but thats my prespective / opinion .... and this discussion may continue on forever ..coz its a Moot Point



Edited by lrl_rocks - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Also sorry to add this later ...but I was reading Eclipse FAQ on S.Meyer's website .....and found this

Q. What's the deal with Bella just falling in love with Jacob in the eleventh hour of Eclipse? Don't you believe in true love anymore? What happened to blacken your soul, woman??

A. First of all, let me say that I do believe in true love. But I also deeply believe in the complexity, variety, and downright insanity of love. A lucky person loves hundreds of people in their lives, all in different ways, family love, friendship love, romantic love, all in so many shades and depths. I don't think you lose your ability—or right—to have true love by loving more than one person. In part, this is true because you never love two people the same way. Another part is that, if you're lucky, you learn to love better with practice. The bottom line is that you have to choose who you are going to commit to—that's the foundation of true love, not a lack of other options.

Next, Bella does not fall in love with Jacob in Eclipse. Bella falls in love with Jacob in New Moon. I think it's easy to understand why this fact doesn't occur to her. Bella has only fallen in love one time, and it was a very sudden, dramatic, sweep-you-off-your-feet, change-your-world, magical, passionate, all-consuming thing (see: Twilight). Can you blame her for not recognizing a much more subtle kind of falling-in-love?

Does this love devaluate her love for Edward? Not for me. For me, it makes that perfect true love stronger. Bella has another option. She has a really good one. An option that's easier in many ways, that takes nothing—like her family, present or future—away from her. She would have love, and friendship, and family—an enviable human future. But she chooses Edward over all of this. This makes it real for me.

Allow me to quote from Steve Oedekerk's brilliant Star Wars parody, Thumb Wars:

Loke Groundrunner: "I will go with you and fight!"

Oobedoob Benubi: "Oh, big sacrifice; everyone you knew is dead! Glad you could tear yourself away!"


Before this I never heard her saying that [perfect true love stronger] and now for me [at least] the authors word is final.....



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Posted: 16 years ago
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I won't adress the other post because I've basically hacked the logic in your points in my previous posts with ample evidence backing my thoughts and I'm not particularly fond of redundancy. The only point I will reiterate is: if you believe Edward and Bella's love is "true" - answer this: Why do they love each other? Also, I wasn't making any personal comments by saying "some readers". How is that even personal, much less offensive?
As for the other post, I thought you didn't care much for whatever Meyer wrote outside of the books? :P Funny how that changed. Anyhow, an author's words aren't necessarily the facts. To say that they are would be to put her on a pedestal higher than the one she actually deserves. This would be analogous to Austen raising herself from her grave and shouting that "Elizabeth Bennett is a weak, and stupid woman". Would you take her word to be 'final' when everything in her books indicate otherwise? Elizabeth is far from being weak or stupid as is evident in the book which proves that the author isn't always right. It is never about being right - it is how well you could support your theory that really matters.
Aside from the fact that the words "perfect true love stronger" are another example of Meyer's purple prose, monogamy is highly ranked in relationships today. And I'm not just refering to the physical aspect of monogamy. If Bella is emotionally polygamous, how "true" is her "love" for Edward in actuality? Sure, she allegedly "choses" to be with Edward (How is it a "choice" if it is the only way Edward will engage in sexual intercourse with her? If it is the only way then, there is no "choice" in the equation!!) but she still hangs on to Jacob, even after marriage, which doesn't do much to support your argument that Edward and Bella are truly in "love". If she really loved Edward, she'd be a lot more formal with Jacob and not contemplate naming her mutant lovechild with Edward, "Edward Jacob" or "EJ".
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: ShadowKisses

^^

I won't adress the other post because I've basically hacked the logic in your points in my previous posts with ample evidence backing my thoughts and I'm not particularly fond of redundancy. The only point I will reiterate is: if you believe Edward and Bella's love is "true" - answer this: Why do they love each other? Also, I wasn't making any personal comments by saying "some readers". How is that even personal, much less offensive?
As for the other post, I thought you didn't care much for whatever Meyer wrote outside of the books? :P Funny how that changed. Anyhow, an author's words aren't necessarily the facts. To say that they are would be to put her on a pedestal higher than the one she actually deserves. This would be analogous to Austen raising herself from her grave and shouting that "Elizabeth Bennett is a weak, and stupid woman". Would you take her word to be 'final' when everything in her books indicate otherwise? Elizabeth is far from being weak or stupid as is evident in the book which proves that the author isn't always right. It is never about being right - it is how well you could support your theory that really matters.
Aside from the fact that the words "perfect true love stronger" are another example of Meyer's purple prose, monogamy is highly ranked in relationships today. And I'm not just refering to the physical aspect of monogamy. If Bella is emotionally polygamous, how "true" is her "love" for Edward in actuality? Sure, she allegedly "choses" to be with Edward (How is it a "choice" if it is the only way Edward will engage in sexual intercourse with her? If it is the only way then, there is no "choice" in the equation!!) but she still hangs on to Jacob, even after marriage, which doesn't do much to support your argument that Edward and Bella are truly in "love". If she really loved Edward, she'd be a lot more formal with Jacob and not contemplate naming her mutant lovechild with Edward, "Edward Jacob" or "EJ".


That could be taken as a personal comment coz If I am not wrong I ended my previous post with that ...and you said that should not happen....anyhow....
Going back ...the time I said that I did not care what she said outside the books was when she said that age difference thing...and IT WAS HER IDEOLOGY.Quoting S.M. "If she and he are going to be on a healthy relationship footing, she can't age too far beyond him. "...Now I do not disagree that it happened in the books...I disagree with that ideology.....and IF you remember I said I disagreed with her...because thats not related to the book ......when we talk abt the CONTENT [I hope you understand me] ....Its not that whatever she says I will agree to ....and thats proven...but whatever she says happened INSIDE the book ...I COMPLETELY agree coz its her book ..I said "The authors word is Final" abt the books , because IT is the author who has created it ....and whatever is IN THEM are her property and she has complete authority
over it ....

As for that Jacob thing ...If someone marries another person ...then that someone doesn't neccesarily have to be FORMAL with a very close friend ....and naming their children[at least for second name] over the friend is not necessarily bad ...
Edited by lrl_rocks - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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^^ Agree, I sometimes think Stepheniejust "says" things to save herself from questions that go against the book or whatever.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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This topic has gone way too far!

What is this? An official debate topic?

Do I have to enforce harsher rules?

It's absolutely fabulous that we have several people on this forum who critically analyze the series and jump in to throw their 2 cents on it.

We all should view the books any way we choose to, and we all are entitled to our own opinions.

No one has the right to change that. So no one should be attempting that either.

Some of us really need to keep our advice to ourselves. No one is asking you for an author recommendation, no one asked you to share your favorite authors and no one wants to know if Twilight is "superbly written teen fiction".

Okay, so we all take sides, some lean towards Jacob, and some towards Edward. But, if you think Twilight is awfully written, Stephenie Meyer can't write maturely (I mean, she has written 100,000 books already, so she definitely had the experience and maturity, right? The series was only good enough to be published...that's no problem, any other person can write a vampire love story and get it published nowadays...and if it isn't that easy in some places, you can get a whole quartet published, with an extremely huge fan following, just by sheer luck), yet you still favor one of her characters, something's gotta be very wrong. How can you love a character without liking the way the author writes? How can you even familiarize yourself with the character until you get a gist of their thinking, actions, or dialogues? Unless, it was just the horrible description that made you lust him.

- Next, lust vs. love at first sight. If you haven't experienced it, you don't know if it exists, so it wouldn't right to say it exists right? But then, how is it right to say it doesn't exist? Unless you've been familiar with every single person on Earth and have been alive since the very beginning. If someone believes in love at first sight, that's their opinion right?

- If Twilight was written a long time ago and the author had never gotten much attention then, and Heaven forbid she was dead, we'd all have completely different views of the book, and no one would ever know several things. But if Meyer has clearly stated what the purpose of the plot, the character, and the relationship was, then that's what was meant in the story. But if you still want to behold your opinions, no one has the right to stop you. But you need to watch yourself so you don't offend the fans of the characters with your wording.

- May I get some ample evidence that shows that Jacob didn't lust Bella but Edward did? 😊

- *Spoiler Alert* EB get married in BD, and have a kid. If I'm not mistaken, several fans wanted to know if 1) they will get married b) Bella will become a vampire c) if they'll have a kid d) if charlie will ever find out and e) if jacob will ever come back. Isn't this what the fans wanted? Was I imagining reading all this in BD? 😕 Should the whole book be based on what the fans wanted? Shouldn't the author get a chance to incorporate what he/she wants as well?

- There is just so much more, but honestly, I'm just tired. Because whatever else I say, will be taken in offense by several who are reading this. In fact, everyone going against Twilight and Stephenie will be attempting to throw daggers at me, since I, (and I will admit this) showed my obvious bias towards Twlight, and SM.

I love both Jacob and Edward, as hard as it is to believe. I might lean towards one more than the other, but I don't despise either one. Sure, Jake did some disappointing things, but so did Edward. And the rest of it, well, I'll just say I'm entitled to my own opinion and there is no need for me to explain myself, because what I think shouldn't matter to anyone.

I don't mean to be mean guys, but this kind of stuff really peeves me. Yes, we allow you to show your dislike towards your characters, but there's a limit, and you have crossed it. Admit it or not, you've indirectly bashed Stephenie along with Twilight, and you aren't allowed to do that. Can't find that in the rules or COC? Well, I'll just throw it in then. Because it's obviously required.

I don't see you guys showing up in the forums of saas-bahu serials and bashing the show or it's directors and scriptwriters. Would that be allowed? No. Bashing Twilight is considered the same thing.

From now on, there shouldn't be any bashing of the series, attempts to enforce perspectives on others, and all opinions should be respected.

Anyone not following rules will face a Warning Level raise.

Any questions/concerns/arguements should be PM'ed to me.

This topic is now closed.

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